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Post by Ginger Ninja on Jun 15, 2024 8:29:37 GMT
Shocking news, Millwall and Montenegro keeper died at just 26 years old. Undisclosed illness while on international duty.
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Post by Corbray on Jun 15, 2024 8:37:53 GMT
wow that's tragic news, no age that. he was a pretty good keeper too. RIP to him and condolences to his family, can't imagine what they're going through right now
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Post by hubble on Jun 15, 2024 8:45:10 GMT
Sad, terrifying, tragic that there are so many 'unexplained and sudden deaths' amongst the young and fit these days. Those of you who know my opinions will know what I think the cause is.
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Jun 15, 2024 8:58:54 GMT
26 way too young
Follows on from the tragic deaths of the Scotland team last night
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Post by awin on Jun 15, 2024 9:57:03 GMT
Kevin Campbell also died today, aged 54. RIP to them both.
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Post by Bill on Jun 15, 2024 13:20:53 GMT
Sad, terrifying, tragic that there are so many 'unexplained and sudden deaths' amongst the young and fit these days. Those of you who know my opinions will know what I think the cause is. Guess your opinion is Covid?
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Post by Bill on Jun 15, 2024 13:22:44 GMT
Rest in peace Matija Sarkic 26 only a baby.
Shocking.
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Post by hubble on Jun 15, 2024 15:47:17 GMT
Sad, terrifying, tragic that there are so many 'unexplained and sudden deaths' amongst the young and fit these days. Those of you who know my opinions will know what I think the cause is. Guess your opinion is Covid? Not coivid, Bill, but the very widely used experimental so-called solution.
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Post by alanwycombe on Jun 15, 2024 16:23:25 GMT
Guess your opinion is Covid? Not coivid, Bill, but the very widely used experimental so-called solution.
I thought that was all bollocks Hubs but I have lost three friends with cardiac arrests and I’ve never seen so many medical incidents at large gatherings. I’ve also got a really unexpected problem given I’ve been as fit as fuck all my life. I am beginning to wonder.
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Post by Bill on Jun 15, 2024 16:28:54 GMT
Not coivid, Bill, but the very widely used experimental so-called solution.
I thought that was all bollocks Hubs but I have lost three friends with cardiac arrests and I’ve never seen so many medical incidents at large gatherings. I’ve also got a really unexpected problem given I’ve been as fit as fuck all my life. I am beginning to wonder. And me Alan suddenly feel like i have hit a brick wall,whatever Hubs theory is?
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Jun 15, 2024 16:32:01 GMT
My mrs a midwife, all nurses docs consultants she works with and knows all said after 3rd round of jabs went round they not touching it
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Post by Bill on Jun 15, 2024 16:41:11 GMT
My mrs a midwife, all nurses docs consultants she works with and knows all said after 3rd round of jabs went round they not touching it Wow thats astonishing.
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Post by Corbray on Jun 15, 2024 17:21:54 GMT
i believe the facts. fact is young people have always died, i'd bet my house that most people here knows someone who died young pre covid but no one was accusing vaccines and the like of causing deaths then.
it's just a tragic part of life. no respectable scientific outfit points to vaccines as being a threat to one's health - on the contrary actually.
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Post by awin on Jun 15, 2024 18:20:08 GMT
i believe the facts. fact is young people have always died, i'd bet my house that most people here knows someone who died young pre covid but no one was accusing vaccines and the like of causing deaths then. it's just a tragic part of life. no respectable scientific outfit points to vaccines as being a threat to one's health - on the contrary actually. Do a little search into vaccine injuries tho and I say that as someone who has had 6 vaccines (with no apparent ill effect) but can’t say the same for my mrs.
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Post by Corbray on Jun 15, 2024 18:31:08 GMT
i believe the facts. fact is young people have always died, i'd bet my house that most people here knows someone who died young pre covid but no one was accusing vaccines and the like of causing deaths then. it's just a tragic part of life. no respectable scientific outfit points to vaccines as being a threat to one's health - on the contrary actually. Do a little search into vaccine injuries tho and I say that as someone who has had 6 vaccines (with no apparent ill effect) but can’t say the same for my mrs. i have, nothing is full proof. some people have bad reactions to paracetamol, others die during surgery but it doesn't mean that we should stop having them. better to have it than not have it. we've eradicated many lethal diseases due to vaccines with life expectancy shooting up over the past 100 years along with infant mortality heavily declining.
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Post by awin on Jun 15, 2024 18:49:54 GMT
Do a little search into vaccine injuries tho and I say that as someone who has had 6 vaccines (with no apparent ill effect) but can’t say the same for my mrs. i have, nothing is full proof. some people have bad reactions to paracetamol, others die during surgery but it doesn't mean that we should stop having them. better to have it than not have it. we've eradicated many lethal diseases due to vaccines with life expectancy shooting up over the past 100 years along with infant mortality heavily declining. Not using unused before MRNA technology. A completely different system to previous vaccines.
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Post by Corbray on Jun 15, 2024 19:02:33 GMT
i have, nothing is full proof. some people have bad reactions to paracetamol, others die during surgery but it doesn't mean that we should stop having them. better to have it than not have it. we've eradicated many lethal diseases due to vaccines with life expectancy shooting up over the past 100 years along with infant mortality heavily declining. Not using unused before MRNA technology. A completely different system to previous vaccines. but we already know a lot about MRNA in general and every vaccine still has to undergo the same rigourous testing as it always has. the only difference with covid vaccines is the process was sped up and red tape removed to get it through quicker. when the vaccine first started being rolled out you had people saying it would lead to the illness deaths of millions, that hasn't happened but now every time a young person dies people always hint that the vaccine had something to do with it. what if matija never had the vaccine? then it's a case of matija's death is a tragedy BUT the vaccine is still bad. even when it's proven someone didn't die to the vaccine people still say "uh huh ... SUREEE they didn't..." he was young, young people sometimes die suddenly. it has always and will always happen as tragic as it is. way i look at it is i don't know no where near as much as a virologist or someone who works with vaccines, i don't tell an electrician how to do their job so can't exactly start speculating about vaccines with my limited understanding of it.
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Post by awin on Jun 15, 2024 19:20:44 GMT
Not using unused before MRNA technology. A completely different system to previous vaccines. but we already know a lot about MRNA in general and every vaccine still has to undergo the same rigourous testing as it always has. the only difference with covid vaccines is the process was sped up and red tape removed to get it through quicker. when the vaccine first started being rolled out you had people saying it would lead to the illness deaths of millions, that hasn't happened but now every time a young person dies people always hint that the vaccine had something to do with it. what if matija never had the vaccine? then it's a case of matija's death is a tragedy BUT the vaccine is still bad. even when it's proven someone didn't die to the vaccine people still say "uh huh ... SUREEE they didn't..." he was young, young people sometimes die suddenly. it has always and will always happen as tragic as it is. way i look at it is i don't know no where near as much as a virologist or someone who works with vaccines, i don't tell an electrician how to do their job so can't exactly start speculating about vaccines with my limited understanding of it. That might genuinely be the case but the number of people I know who work within the NHS (who were front line) that don’t / didn’t take them does make you think. I also can’t easily ignore the massive impact upon my mrs health since.
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Post by Stanley75 on Jun 15, 2024 19:36:10 GMT
The incidence rates of some rare side effects like myocarditis and pericarditis from COVID-19 mRNA vaccines (Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna) and Guillain-Barré Syndrome from COVID-19 viral vector vaccines (AstraZeneca and Johnson & Johnson) are indeed higher compared to traditional vaccines. Specifically, myocarditis rates in younger males are about 100-200 times higher, and the rates of Guillain-Barré Syndrome and Cerebral Venous Sinus Thrombosis are about 10-20 times higher for COVID-19 vaccines compared to traditional vaccines: www.factcheck.org/2024/02/study-largely-confirms-known-rare-covid-19-vaccine-side-effects/www.bmj.com/content/384/bmj.q488
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Post by alanwycombe on Jun 15, 2024 21:04:53 GMT
My mrs a midwife, all nurses docs consultants she works with and knows all said after 3rd round of jabs went round they not touching it And my friend, a nurse.
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Post by hubble on Jun 15, 2024 22:16:38 GMT
Not coivid, Bill, but the very widely used experimental so-called solution.
I thought that was all bollocks Hubs but I have lost three friends with cardiac arrests and I’ve never seen so many medical incidents at large gatherings. I’ve also got a really unexpected problem given I’ve been as fit as fuck all my life. I am beginning to wonder. I'm very sorry to hear that Alan. Hope you recover from whatever it is.
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Post by Corbray on Jun 15, 2024 23:36:54 GMT
The incidence rates of some rare side effects like myocarditis and pericarditis from COVID-19 mRNA vaccines (Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna) and Guillain-Barré Syndrome from COVID-19 viral vector vaccines (AstraZeneca and Johnson & Johnson) are indeed higher compared to traditional vaccines. Specifically, myocarditis rates in younger males are about 100-200 times higher, and the rates of Guillain-Barré Syndrome and Cerebral Venous Sinus Thrombosis are about 10-20 times higher for COVID-19 vaccines compared to traditional vaccines: www.factcheck.org/2024/02/study-largely-confirms-known-rare-covid-19-vaccine-side-effects/www.bmj.com/content/384/bmj.q488in those links it says that side effects are still rare and that steps are/have been taken to locate people who are at adverse risk of suffering side effects so it more or less proves my points
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Post by Stanley75 on Jun 15, 2024 23:45:47 GMT
The incidence rates of some rare side effects like myocarditis and pericarditis from COVID-19 mRNA vaccines (Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna) and Guillain-Barré Syndrome from COVID-19 viral vector vaccines (AstraZeneca and Johnson & Johnson) are indeed higher compared to traditional vaccines. Specifically, myocarditis rates in younger males are about 100-200 times higher, and the rates of Guillain-Barré Syndrome and Cerebral Venous Sinus Thrombosis are about 10-20 times higher for COVID-19 vaccines compared to traditional vaccines: www.factcheck.org/2024/02/study-largely-confirms-known-rare-covid-19-vaccine-side-effects/www.bmj.com/content/384/bmj.q488in those links it says that side effects are still rare and that steps are/have been taken to locate people who are at adverse risk of suffering side effects so it more or less proves my points Yeah, my post said the same Corbs. But however rare, it's pointing out that incident rate of Covid (mRNA & viral vector) vaccine side-effect/injuries are still higher compared to traditional vaccines
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Post by James1979 on Jun 16, 2024 10:51:41 GMT
My sisters a doctor in the NHS and fully trusts the vaccine. That’s good enough for me.
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Post by West Acton on Jun 16, 2024 12:33:00 GMT
Young fit people been dropping dead or Ill unexpectedly for ages now just off top of my head footballers Ugo Ehiogu and Fabrice Muamba both had heart attacks. Both happened before Covid if it had been after we would be blaming the vaccine.
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Post by alanwycombe on Jun 16, 2024 12:41:32 GMT
My sisters a doctor in the NHS and fully trusts the vaccine. That’s good enough for me. And my nurse friend’s best mate is a surgeon and he doesn’t, so there is no consensus. I find it a worry when qualified people can’t agree. I think they know it doesn’t suit everyone but it’s worth the risk. They will be refining it no doubt.
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Post by 2Loftus on Jun 16, 2024 12:41:47 GMT
There may very well be side effects to Covid vaccines, but does that mean there were a bad thing? I personally think it saved millions of lives.
Spanish flu killed approx 50 million people globally, when the world population was 2 billion.
Covid has killed 7 million people globally, in a global population of 8 billion.
To extrapolate the population from the days of Spanish flu to today's, multiply by 4 - which would make the equivalent number of deaths 200,000 million proportionate to today's global population.
So, 200 million deaths (with no vaccine) compared to 7 million (with vaccine). OK, there may be side effects to the vaccine, but there are side effects to not having the vaccine - I have friends who contracted Covid still suffering from 'Long Covid' four years on. And I had two friends who died of Covid, in early pre-vaccination days.
I had Covid twice, as did my wife. We were both vaccinated, but our symptoms were greatly reduced.
OK, the maths is simplistic, but I think it makes it pretty much irrefutable that the vaccines were not only a good thing, but not much short of miraculous.
And it is quite likely it saved the lives of a few of us on this forum.
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Post by Corbray on Jun 16, 2024 13:44:27 GMT
There may very well be side effects to Covid vaccines, but does that mean there were a bad thing? I personally think it saved millions of lives. Spanish flu killed approx 50 million people globally, when the world population was 2 billion. Covid has killed 7 million people globally, in a global population of 8 billion. To extrapolate the population from the days of Spanish flu to today's, multiply by 4 - which would make the equivalent number of deaths 200,000 million proportionate to today's global population. So, 200 million deaths (with no vaccine) compared to 7 million (with vaccine). OK, there may be side effects to the vaccine, but there are side effects to not having the vaccine - I have friends who contracted Covid still suffering from 'Long Covid' four years on. And I had two friends who died of Covid, in early pre-vaccination days. I had Covid twice, as did my wife. We were both vaccinated, but our symptoms were greatly reduced. OK, the maths is simplistic, but I think it makes it pretty much irrefutable that the vaccines were not only a good thing, but not much short of miraculous. And it is quite likely it saved the lives of a few of us on this forum. exactly, vaccines save more lives than they don't. the life expectancy in the UK in 1900 was around 45 and a large reason for that was due to a much higher infant mortality rate from diseases that have been erradicated by vaccines. way i look at it is the experts have done right by me this far so no reason not to trust in them. a conspiracy as large scale as what people imply would require far too many people to cover up.
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Post by acricketer on Jun 16, 2024 14:33:08 GMT
I'm with the billions who have had the vaccine and like entering the lottery think the odds are stacked against me winning!
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Post by hal9thou on Jun 16, 2024 14:55:27 GMT
The incidence rates of some rare side effects like myocarditis and pericarditis from COVID-19 mRNA vaccines (Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna) and Guillain-Barré Syndrome from COVID-19 viral vector vaccines (AstraZeneca and Johnson & Johnson) are indeed higher compared to traditional vaccines. Specifically, myocarditis rates in younger males are about 100-200 times higher, and the rates of Guillain-Barré Syndrome and Cerebral Venous Sinus Thrombosis are about 10-20 times higher for COVID-19 vaccines compared to traditional vaccines: www.factcheck.org/2024/02/study-largely-confirms-known-rare-covid-19-vaccine-side-effects/www.bmj.com/content/384/bmj.q488I think its worth pointing out that both those sources are at pains to point out that statistically, side effects from C19 vax are rare - bearing in mind the huge number of individuals vaccinated globally. That is the context here. The metadata studies - like this one - tend to concur. And of course you can find more.
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