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Post by Bill on Jul 2, 2024 14:34:48 GMT
Given that this such a big part of the game and something we have lacked for a while. Question?
Do we as lovers of the game approve or disapprove?
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Post by alanwycombe on Jul 2, 2024 14:54:03 GMT
Blatant cheating no, winding up volatile opponents yes.
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Post by itsonlyagame on Jul 2, 2024 15:03:19 GMT
No issue with dark arts when it involves backing into players, time wasting etc. Wouldn’t want to see our players throwing themselves to the floor pretending they’ve been lumped in the face by an opponent though. Ronaldo stitched up one of his team mates though which is another level. There’s also footage of him spitting at the goalkeeper in one of Portugal’s group matches, just after his team scored in the dying minutes.
Great footballer, athlete etc but also an arrogant sneaky little shit who you couldn’t trust as far as you could throw.
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Post by Ginger Ninja on Jul 2, 2024 15:04:02 GMT
I'm with Alan on this one, cannot stand the cheating and play acting but a bit of shithousery is and should be part of the game. Annoying as fuck when it's happening to your team but when you have a player that is brilliant at it, there's nothing better to get a rise out of the opposition players and fans. Yoann Barbet was really good at that. Jamie Vardy is another one.
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Post by hal9thou on Jul 2, 2024 15:11:38 GMT
We haven't had a dark arts specialist for a while. Endangered species these days, cameras everywhere. Defenders like Clint and the great Alan Mac knew a thing or two. You need a bit of suss about you, know when you can grab a shirt or block a run and get away with it.
The other rare species these days is the enforcer. Haven't had one of them for a while. In the old days you didn't have to worry about timing your tackle.... these days you can win the ball and still get pinged.
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Post by acricketer on Jul 2, 2024 15:13:13 GMT
I particularly dislike players clutching their face or head when they haven't been touched. Where's VAR when it comes to determining a card especially in tournament football?
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Post by alanwycombe on Jul 2, 2024 15:15:47 GMT
We haven't had a dark arts specialist for a while. Endangered species these days, cameras everywhere. Defenders like Clint and the great Alan Mac knew a thing or two. You need a bit of suss about you, know when you can grab a shirt or block a run and get away with it. The other rare species these days is the enforcer. Haven't had one of them for a while. In the old days you didn't have to worry about timing your tackle.... these days you can win the ball and still get pinged. Karl Henry |
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Jul 2, 2024 17:51:08 GMT
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Post by Corbray on Jul 2, 2024 17:51:08 GMT
i don't mind WUMs (when they're playing for us of course!) but i wouldn't like a blatant and constant cheater in the team tbh. it'd leave a sour taste in my mouth if we had someone like that as it's something that kills the sport imo.
now, if one of our players resorted to cheating against an alex neil's preston of a few seasons back i wouldn't have had an issue with that lol.
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Jul 2, 2024 18:00:31 GMT
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Post by Bill on Jul 2, 2024 18:00:31 GMT
For me problem is that these so called Dark Arts (cheating) are becoming more and more prevalent in a game i used to love.
Useless officials,VAR also add to my opinion that it seems pundits,yellow/red cards,finances are discussed more than the game itself.
From my pov the game is losing its credibility as the game i once knew and loved.There just doesnt appear to be much fun anymore like the charachters and mavericks of yesterday
Is it a game now win at any cost?
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Post by Hertfordshire Ranger on Jul 2, 2024 18:01:02 GMT
Dark Arts are part of the modern game.
My frustration stems from the inconsistent adjudicating
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Jul 2, 2024 18:03:49 GMT
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Post by Bill on Jul 2, 2024 18:03:49 GMT
Dark Arts are part of the modern game. My frustration stems from the inconsistent adjudicating Where does it end though,so modern makes it right? Bit like so called society |
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Post by Hertfordshire Ranger on Jul 2, 2024 18:10:49 GMT
Dark Arts are part of the modern game. My frustration stems from the inconsistent adjudicating Where does it end though,so modern makes it right? Bit like so called society Doesn't make it right, but if due to inconsistencies in the adjudicating you have a 50/50 chance of getting away with it, it becomes a risk worth taking. Dark Arts is a big catch all, and so there is a spectrum covering all sorts. We became used to Preston NE visiting Loftus Road and giving us a master class in the Dark Arts. Boring to support a team like that, but they would get away with what the ref of the day let them. |
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Jul 2, 2024 18:12:02 GMT
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Post by Bill on Jul 2, 2024 18:12:02 GMT
For me problem is that these so called Dark Arts (cheating) are becoming more and more prevalent in a game i used to love. Useless officials,VAR also add to my opinion that it seems pundits,yellow/red cards,finances are discussed more than the game itself. From my pov the game is losing its credibility as the game i once knew and loved.There just doesnt appear to be much fun anymore like the charachters and mavericks of yesterday Is it a game now win at any cost? Ps Sky calling the shots along with other media sources also. |
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Jul 2, 2024 18:15:16 GMT
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Post by Bill on Jul 2, 2024 18:15:16 GMT
Where does it end though,so modern makes it right? Bit like so called society Doesn't make it right, but if due to inconsistencies in the adjudicating you have a 50/50 chance of getting away with it, it becomes a risk worth taking. Dark Arts is a big catch all, and so there is a spectrum covering all sorts. We became used to Preston NE visiting Loftus Road and giving us a master class in the Dark Arts. Boring to support a team like that, but they would get away with what the ref of the day let them. Adjudication of the so called rules are abominable at the highest level,Euro 24 is a classic example. So it is win at any cost. The problem lies at the very top of the game,if officials were held accountable it would help but it doesnt happen. Dark arts i am well versed in but this is supposed to be sport dare i say. |
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Jul 2, 2024 18:17:42 GMT
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Post by Corbray on Jul 2, 2024 18:17:42 GMT
For me problem is that these so called Dark Arts (cheating) are becoming more and more prevalent in a game i used to love. Useless officials,VAR also add to my opinion that it seems pundits,yellow/red cards,finances are discussed more than the game itself. From my pov the game is losing its credibility as the game i once knew and loved.There just doesnt appear to be much fun anymore like the charachters and mavericks of yesterday Is it a game now win at any cost? fair point bill, i'm only 31 so for me it's just always been something that's been seen as part of the game. i think it's always been a part of the game just that it's become more prevalent over the past decade or two. i remember seeing an interview with bowles where he said he had a trick he would do to win a penalty, he'd run at a defender head on and at the last moment would move the ball to the side and run into the defenders leg lol. |
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Post by Bill on Jul 2, 2024 18:24:48 GMT
For me problem is that these so called Dark Arts (cheating) are becoming more and more prevalent in a game i used to love. Useless officials,VAR also add to my opinion that it seems pundits,yellow/red cards,finances are discussed more than the game itself. From my pov the game is losing its credibility as the game i once knew and loved.There just doesnt appear to be much fun anymore like the charachters and mavericks of yesterday Is it a game now win at any cost? fair point bill, i'm only 31 so for me it's just always been something that's been seen as part of the game. i think it's always been a part of the game just that it's become more prevalent over the past decade or two. i remember seeing an interview with bowles where he said he had a trick he would do to win a penalty, he'd run at a defender head on and at the last moment would move the ball to the side and run into the defenders leg lol. This is true Corbs,Rodney was one of the best but it seems its taking over the game. I guess it changed when Maradona scored with his hand ,however now seems its more and more accepted as part of the game. What is the point in rules that are clearly ignored deliberately or just purely ignored through ignorance or dare i say corruption. |
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Post by Hertfordshire Ranger on Jul 2, 2024 18:38:30 GMT
fair point bill, i'm only 31 so for me it's just always been something that's been seen as part of the game. i think it's always been a part of the game just that it's become more prevalent over the past decade or two. i remember seeing an interview with bowles where he said he had a trick he would do to win a penalty, he'd run at a defender head on and at the last moment would move the ball to the side and run into the defenders leg lol. This is true Corbs,Rodney was one of the best but it seems its taking over the game. I guess it changed when Maradona scored with his hand ,however now seems its more and more accepted as part of the game. What is the point in rules that are clearly ignored deliberately or just purely ignored through ignorance or dare i say corruption. The Rodney point is a very good one. How many penalties did he win for us so that we could sing 'Rodn..eee' safe in the knowledge his trailing leg had won another one. I was always a Bowles man, even though back at the time I was full on Marsh. I think it is because Bowles was raw talent who could destroy defenders with a drop of the hip, whereas Rodney could win you a game with his 'trickery' or was it dark arts? Thank goodness Rodney did not have to endure VAR. |
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Post by acricketer on Jul 2, 2024 18:57:14 GMT
I guess it changed when Maradona scored with his hand ,however now seems its more and more accepted as part of the game. Where was VAR when we needed it! |
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Jul 2, 2024 19:18:13 GMT
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Post by Corbray on Jul 2, 2024 19:18:13 GMT
fair point bill, i'm only 31 so for me it's just always been something that's been seen as part of the game. i think it's always been a part of the game just that it's become more prevalent over the past decade or two. i remember seeing an interview with bowles where he said he had a trick he would do to win a penalty, he'd run at a defender head on and at the last moment would move the ball to the side and run into the defenders leg lol. This is true Corbs,Rodney was one of the best but it seems its taking over the game. I guess it changed when Maradona scored with his hand ,however now seems its more and more accepted as part of the game. What is the point in rules that are clearly ignored deliberately or just purely ignored through ignorance or dare i say corruption. for sure is taking over the game. every game i watch there are countless times that i applaud a player for going down for a tactical foul or bemoan one of ours for being tricked into giving a tactical foul away. things like playing for fouls to slow down a game or win a free kick in a dangerous spot are just part and parcel of the game and i doubt that will ever change given the high stakes and fine margins at play. where the line gets drawn idk. out of curiosity where there any players, not specifically ours from back in the day that you remember as being players who won a lot of free kicks and played for fouls? |
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Post by alanwycombe on Jul 2, 2024 21:13:56 GMT
VAR hasn’t made it better when it comes to ‘contact’ because slowing action right down gives the wrong effect. Like Roy Keane says, it’s a contact sport. Contact isn’t always a foul but VAR makes it look like it is. Ridiculous that you jump in the air then crumple in heap when the contact wasn’t enough to bring you down.
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Jul 3, 2024 13:48:12 GMT
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Post by Bill on Jul 3, 2024 13:48:12 GMT
For me problem is that these so called Dark Arts (cheating) are becoming more and more prevalent in a game i used to love. Useless officials,VAR also add to my opinion that it seems pundits,yellow/red cards,finances are discussed more than the game itself. From my pov the game is losing its credibility as the game i once knew and loved.There just doesnt appear to be much fun anymore like the charachters and mavericks of yesterday Is it a game now win at any cost? Ps Sky calling the shots along with other media sources also. So much for loyal support and its just got worse re Sky's latest revelation re kick off times. Greedy cunts the whole lot of them including the clubs,fuck them. |
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Post by Bill on Sept 23, 2024 17:04:02 GMT
City v Arsenal yesterday prime example in the extreme.
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