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Post by The General on Jul 27, 2024 17:46:56 GMT
Should be beating Reading sorry no excuse
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Post by Stanley75 on Jul 27, 2024 17:47:38 GMT
Can only beat what’s in front of you, as the cliche goes Yes and when a very workmanlike League One side was put in front of us we couldn't. Obvs the result not important but anyone who saw the game should be a bit concerned. Yes its a pre-season friendly and Chair wasn't playing and we still have time to bring in re-enforcements, but on that showing very hard to see us (centre halves aside) as more than a bottom 6 side. Not bothered in the slightest about any of these preseason games to be honest It’s only about fitness, minutes, experimenting with formations and tactics, trying out different squad players etc etc. These are the games to make all your mistakes Remember when Neil took us up as champions, in pre-season we lost to Luton, Plymouth and barely scraped a win v Harrow Borough Perspective chaps. |
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Post by hal9thou on Jul 27, 2024 17:47:48 GMT
The ten shirt is always the one that costs the big bucks.
We've corrected some weaknesses but we've definitely given ourselves a big problem.
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Post by Corbray on Jul 27, 2024 17:56:00 GMT
Not bothered in the slightest about these preseason games to be honest It’s only about fitness, minutes, experimenting with formations and tactics, trying out different squad players etc etc. These are the games to make all your mistakes Remember when Neil took us up as champions, in pre-season we lost to Luton, Plymouth and barely scraped a win v Harrow Perspective chaps. exactly this. often times in preseason opposite managers will share information about what they want to do in a match. it's not a strictly competitive environment. |
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Post by Ginger Ninja on Jul 27, 2024 18:22:46 GMT
Yes and when a very workmanlike League One side was put in front of us we couldn't. Obvs the result not important but anyone who saw the game should be a bit concerned. Yes its a pre-season friendly and Chair wasn't playing and we still have time to bring in re-enforcements, but on that showing very hard to see us (centre halves aside) as more than a bottom 6 side. Not bothered in the slightest about any of these preseason games to be honest It’s only about fitness, minutes, experimenting with formations and tactics, trying out different squad players etc etc. These are the games to make all your mistakes Remember when Neil took us up as champions, in pre-season we lost to Luton, Plymouth and barely scraped a win v Harrow Borough Perspective chaps. Exactly. Result doesn't matter a jot. |
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Post by acricketer on Jul 27, 2024 18:28:24 GMT
We will get relegated!
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Post by Rexpat on Jul 27, 2024 18:45:14 GMT
Marti (and Nourri) out!
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Post by hal9thou on Jul 27, 2024 18:48:02 GMT
Not bothered in the slightest about these preseason games to be honest It’s only about fitness, minutes, experimenting with formations and tactics, trying out different squad players etc etc. These are the games to make all your mistakes Remember when Neil took us up as champions, in pre-season we lost to Luton, Plymouth and barely scraped a win v Harrow Perspective chaps. exactly this. often times in preseason opposite managers will share information about what they want to do in a match. it's not a strictly competitive environment. Yes. But friendlies can not disguise ability. Look at Bissouma vs us last Sat. We seem a little bit short in a key are ATM. |
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Post by The General on Jul 27, 2024 19:43:40 GMT
Think you guys a buttering this up
Happy to lose against Reading a side we hate
Wots wrong with you
I understand it’s a pre season friendly
But a loss is a loss
Why are we all happy about losing all the time
I’m not sorry fuck reading fuck losing
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Post by West Acton on Jul 27, 2024 20:12:50 GMT
I thought the games in Spain were too soft aside from fitness we never really got too much out of them. Reckon we should have faced tougher opposition.
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Post by The General on Jul 27, 2024 20:32:41 GMT
Agree but at the moment Reading are a
Tougher opposition mate
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Post by Ginger Ninja on Jul 27, 2024 20:44:26 GMT
Think you guys a buttering this up Happy to lose against Reading a side we hate Wots wrong with you I understand it’s a pre season friendly But a loss is a loss Why are we all happy about losing all the time I’m not sorry fuck reading fuck losing Not happy, just don't really care to be honest. |
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Jul 27, 2024 21:10:02 GMT
Yes and when a very workmanlike League One side was put in front of us we couldn't. Obvs the result not important but anyone who saw the game should be a bit concerned. Yes its a pre-season friendly and Chair wasn't playing and we still have time to bring in re-enforcements, but on that showing very hard to see us (centre halves aside) as more than a bottom 6 side. Not bothered in the slightest about any of these preseason games to be honest It’s only about fitness, minutes, experimenting with formations and tactics, trying out different squad players etc etc. These are the games to make all your mistakes Remember when Neil took us up as champions, in pre-season we lost to Luton, Plymouth and barely scraped a win v Harrow Borough Perspective chaps. I don't know whether you saw the match but most who did are not quite so relaxed. The second half in particular highlighted that without Chair and an on-form Willock we have so little to drive us forward: Colback just passes the ball back to the centre-half facing our goal Smyth does some great runs but zero end product No service to Cellar Obviously we might still bring in a couple of key players. Probably two decent players would transform this team. So certainly not slitting my wrist after one friendly. But as things stand a huge amount is going to rest on Chair - a player who much of this message board spends hours berating - plus Koli to develop bloody quickly. Am just not convinced that Colback suddenly becomes a dynamic box to box midfielder because its WBA and not Reading; or Smyth suddenly finds an end product; or Andersen develops the lungs to influence a game over 90 minutes. |
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Post by Shania on Jul 27, 2024 21:16:58 GMT
On the back of this loss, we will hopefully get in the folllowing players:
1) The Moroccan atm/winger.
2) Varane.
3) A better left back than Paal..
4) One more CF.
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Post by Hitman34 on Jul 27, 2024 21:22:55 GMT
been saying it since last season and said it again two days ago in the transfer rumor thread..... he is not very good.
constantly stands off anything that moves towards him.
Always shows his opponent inside.
Lapses in concentration.
cannot cross to save his life.
would do well to get a few quid for him. and invest in better.
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Post by Stanley75 on Jul 28, 2024 1:39:10 GMT
Not bothered in the slightest about any of these preseason games to be honest It’s only about fitness, minutes, experimenting with formations and tactics, trying out different squad players etc etc. These are the games to make all your mistakes Remember when Neil took us up as champions, in pre-season we lost to Luton, Plymouth and barely scraped a win v Harrow Borough Perspective chaps. I don't know whether you saw the match but most who did are not quite so relaxed. The second half in particular highlighted that without Chair and an on-form Willock we have so little to drive us forward: Colback just passes the ball back to the centre-half facing our goal Smyth does some great runs but zero end product No service to Cellar Obviously we might still bring in a couple of key players. Probably two decent players would transform this team. So certainly not slitting my wrist after one friendly. But as things stand a huge amount is going to rest on Chair - a player who much of this message board spends hours berating - plus Koli to develop bloody quickly. Am just not convinced that Colback suddenly becomes a dynamic box to box midfielder because its WBA and not Reading; or Smyth suddenly finds an end product; or Andersen develops the lungs to influence a game over 90 minutes. I didn’t but doubt that it would alter my view much Agree about what’s still obviously lacking and what’s needed but it’s not as if Marti and Christian wont be acutely aware of this And with over 5 weeks of trading still left this window I’m genuinely not over-concerned atm |
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Post by Rangers77 on Jul 28, 2024 8:18:28 GMT
Didn't check the result until 1 AM. That's how much it matters 😉
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Jul 28, 2024 9:46:13 GMT
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Post by West Acton on Jul 28, 2024 11:44:34 GMT
Was anyone genuinely in for Dykes or was it just noise.
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Post by alanwycombe on Jul 28, 2024 11:45:41 GMT
Can we arrange his comm service for when he’s injured?😁
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Post by alanwycombe on Jul 28, 2024 11:46:49 GMT
Was anyone genuinely in for Dykes or was it just noise. Would be hard to believe😁 then again, Brizzle wanted Muscles. |
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Post by hal9thou on Jul 28, 2024 12:10:59 GMT
I don't know whether you saw the match but most who did are not quite so relaxed. The second half in particular highlighted that without Chair and an on-form Willock we have so little to drive us forward: Colback just passes the ball back to the centre-half facing our goal Smyth does some great runs but zero end product No service to Cellar Obviously we might still bring in a couple of key players. Probably two decent players would transform this team. So certainly not slitting my wrist after one friendly. But as things stand a huge amount is going to rest on Chair - a player who much of this message board spends hours berating - plus Koli to develop bloody quickly. Am just not convinced that Colback suddenly becomes a dynamic box to box midfielder because its WBA and not Reading; or Smyth suddenly finds an end product; or Andersen develops the lungs to influence a game over 90 minutes. I didn’t but doubt that it would alter my view much Agree about what’s still obviously lacking and what’s needed but it’s not as if Marti and Christian wont be acutely aware of this And with over 5 weeks of trading still left this window I’m genuinely not over-concerned atm The problem of course being that a decent 10 is going to be proper money. I know a lot of you disagree but I would have gone a long way to keep Willock. You can have the best strikers in the world but aint no use if they dont get a taste. Was anyone genuinely in for Dykes or was it just noise. Noise |
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Post by alanwycombe on Jul 28, 2024 12:48:31 GMT
I didn’t but doubt that it would alter my view much Agree about what’s still obviously lacking and what’s needed but it’s not as if Marti and Christian wont be acutely aware of this And with over 5 weeks of trading still left this window I’m genuinely not over-concerned atm The problem of course being that a decent 10 is going to be proper money. I know a lot of you disagree but I would have gone a long way to keep Willock. You can have the best strikers in the world but aint no use if they dont get a taste. Agree - as long as he was fit. If that was a doubt for the future not bothered he’s gone. But we do need someone. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2024 13:25:04 GMT
The problem of course being that a decent 10 is going to be proper money. I know a lot of you disagree but I would have gone a long way to keep Willock. You can have the best strikers in the world but aint no use if they dont get a taste. Agree - as long as he was fit. If that was a doubt for the future not bothered he’s gone. But we do need someone. Re Willock or anyone else it takes two to tango so if he did not want to stay would anyone want to break the budget, potentially disrupt the dressing room and pay over the top for a player who did not want to play for us.? A player with dodgy legs who could miss half the season or sulk on the bench if Marti asked him to do something different or he was not in the mood. No player is bigger than the club. Slightly depressing how some fans turn so quickly after a couple of friendlies - most were looking forward to a reasonable season a few days ago now but some back to doom and relegation talk. Yes we need a couple of more players but there is still over a month of the window to go so let's see what we get. When I posted that a good striker will cost money I was shot down because others say there are plenty of cheap good strikers all we have to do is find them. So what's different about a good no 10? Chair has not left (yet) so not time to panic but we at least need a back up for him. Many on different boards were calling for him to be sold early in the window to finance a couple of other signings. Everyone has their own opinion and that's totally fair enough to express and good to discuss but the only opinions that really matter at the moment are Nourry and Marti and they are playing their cards close to their chest. Plus until we play a few real games with a first pick team we will have no idea how things will shape up. I have seen us have the worst pre-seasons you can imagine and turn that on it's head in the league and vice versa. That's the fascination of football. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Jul 28, 2024 13:26:30 GMT
I didn’t but doubt that it would alter my view much Agree about what’s still obviously lacking and what’s needed but it’s not as if Marti and Christian wont be acutely aware of this And with over 5 weeks of trading still left this window I’m genuinely not over-concerned atm The problem of course being that a decent 10 is going to be proper money. I know a lot of you disagree but I would have gone a long way to keep Willock. You can have the best strikers in the world but aint no use if they dont get a taste. Fully agree with you and (whether he was on form or not) his departure has left a gaping hole in the team which they’ve five weeks to fill. |
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Post by hal9thou on Jul 28, 2024 18:20:41 GMT
The problem of course being that a decent 10 is going to be proper money. I know a lot of you disagree but I would have gone a long way to keep Willock. You can have the best strikers in the world but aint no use if they dont get a taste. Slightly depressing how some fans turn so quickly after a couple of friendlies - most were looking forward to a reasonable season a few days ago now but some back to doom and relegation talk. Yes we need a couple of more players but there is still over a month of the window to go so let's see what we get. When I posted that a good striker will cost money I was shot down because others say there are plenty of cheap good strikers all we have to do is find them. So what's different about a good no 10? I don't think anyone has 'turned'. I'm just pointing out that if you sell a) arguably your most gifted player who b) happens to play 10 in a system where that role is particularly significant and c) you can not replace him from within the club then you're looking at big money because decent 10s cost even more than decent strikers. On that basis, this could be more expensive to remedy than actually retaining him. We don't know if he wanted out, none of us are privy to the negotiations that went on. Put it this way. If we sold him without having any idea how to replace him, then maybe this was a mistake. My concern predated our last two friendlies and is not simply reactive. Over my 60 years of supporting the Rs, I found the best way to retain sanity is to occasionally introduce a note of realism into the debate. That doesn't mean I'm right, I've just had to learn to manage my expectations. |
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Jul 28, 2024 18:43:24 GMT
Slightly depressing how some fans turn so quickly after a couple of friendlies - most were looking forward to a reasonable season a few days ago now but some back to doom and relegation talk. Yes we need a couple of more players but there is still over a month of the window to go so let's see what we get. When I posted that a good striker will cost money I was shot down because others say there are plenty of cheap good strikers all we have to do is find them. So what's different about a good no 10? I don't think anyone has 'turned'. I'm just pointing out that if you sell a) arguably your most gifted player who b) happens to play 10 in a system where that role is particularly significant and c) you can not replace him from within the club then you're looking at big money because decent 10s cost even more than decent strikers. On that basis, this could be more expensive to remedy than actually retaining him. We don't know if he wanted out, none of us are privy to the negotiations that went on. Put it this way. If we sold him without having any idea how to replace him, then maybe this was a mistake. My concern predated our last two friendlies and is not simply reactive. Over my 60 years of supporting the Rs, I found the best way to retain sanity is to occasionally introduce a note of realism into the debate. That doesn't mean I'm right, I've just had to learn to manage my expectations. I don’t regret Willock going as he was the last 18 months - if you compare his stats to Chairs last season he wasn’t at the races. But agree we have not replaced the old Chris Willock and those are big boots to fill. The glimmer of optimism is Koli but we shouldn’t put him under too much pressure. As Stanley pointed out earlier 5 weeks for the window to close but so far we have not to my knowledge been seriously linked to a Number 10 and that is a worry. We got used to Chair playing 90 minutes almost every week last season but the Reading game (sorry to bang on about it) really did show in his absence there is basically nothing creative left |
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Post by The General on Jul 28, 2024 18:54:54 GMT
Maybe Chair is our new No 10
Has anyone thought of that ?
It’s possible
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Post by alanwycombe on Jul 28, 2024 19:17:21 GMT
Maybe Chair is our new No 10 Has anyone thought of that ? It’s possible Too greedy and doesn’t have the vision to be a 10 |
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Post by Bill on Jul 28, 2024 19:21:36 GMT
Slightly depressing how some fans turn so quickly after a couple of friendlies - most were looking forward to a reasonable season a few days ago now but some back to doom and relegation talk. Yes we need a couple of more players but there is still over a month of the window to go so let's see what we get. When I posted that a good striker will cost money I was shot down because others say there are plenty of cheap good strikers all we have to do is find them. So what's different about a good no 10? I don't think anyone has 'turned'. I'm just pointing out that if you sell a) arguably your most gifted player who b) happens to play 10 in a system where that role is particularly significant and c) you can not replace him from within the club then you're looking at big money because decent 10s cost even more than decent strikers. On that basis, this could be more expensive to remedy than actually retaining him. We don't know if he wanted out, none of us are privy to the negotiations that went on. Put it this way. If we sold him without having any idea how to replace him, then maybe this was a mistake. My concern predated our last two friendlies and is not simply reactive. Over my 60 years of supporting the Rs, I found the best way to retain sanity is to occasionally introduce a note of realism into the debate. That doesn't mean I'm right, I've just had to learn to manage my expectations. Last paragraph totally agree. Nearly every season this happens. Prefer to wait to see how our new signings turn out and hopefully another striker. |
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