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Ray Jones
Aug 10, 2024 10:04:17 GMT
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Post by alanwycombe on Aug 10, 2024 10:04:17 GMT
His career would have been over by now so maybe time to restore the number? Not sure I’d want to wear it though.
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Post by awin on Aug 10, 2024 10:07:21 GMT
May be different in Scandinavia but wrong side of road and over the speed limit, I cannot think of a plausible defence,
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Post by 1qprdk on Aug 10, 2024 10:17:12 GMT
May be different in Scandinavia but wrong side of road and over the speed limit, I cannot think of a plausible defence, I can, but it would probably incriminate others. Either way he was not convicted, and I won't speculate more on this. 👍 |
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Ray Jones
Aug 10, 2024 10:19:22 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2024 10:19:22 GMT
You shouldn't apologise for raising the issue as it has created fascinating discussion and debate which is something the club have never carried out into the matter. As you say in 3 years time it will be 2 decades since he died and no-one under 25 would have memories of seeing him play, in 10 years that becomes under 35 years old and in another 10 only those over 45 would have memories of him. He was a QPR player but also a criminal who killed 2 people through his actions and if it had been just a few hours before that number would have been higher. Criminal? I think it was a young lad who made a tragic and stupid mistake. Wasn’t deliberate. I do agree that he shouldn’t appear in squad list. Time to move on. What do you class death by dangerous driving? A crime or a peccadillo? He was a criminal who would have served a number of years in prison. |
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Post by awin on Aug 10, 2024 10:20:29 GMT
May be different in Scandinavia but wrong side of road and over the speed limit, I cannot think of a plausible defence, I can, but it would probably incriminate others. Either way he was not convicted, and I won't speculate more on this. 👍 I would suggest they probably found the fatalities in the positions they were in prior to the crash and can only assume that is why the police only intended to charge him with the crime, |
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Ray Jones
Aug 10, 2024 10:20:35 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2024 10:20:35 GMT
May be different in Scandinavia but wrong side of road and over the speed limit, I cannot think of a plausible defence, I can, but it would probably incriminate others. Either way he was not convicted, and I won't speculate more on this. 👍 He was named as the cause of death in the inquiry. That makes him guilty. |
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Post by alanwycombe on Aug 10, 2024 10:22:47 GMT
This isn’t worth falling out over.
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Post by 1qprdk on Aug 10, 2024 11:03:31 GMT
This isn’t worth falling out over. Agreed. |
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Post by 1qprdk on Aug 10, 2024 11:10:46 GMT
I can, but it would probably incriminate others. Either way he was not convicted, and I won't speculate more on this. 👍 I would suggest they probably found the fatalities in the positions they were in prior to the crash and can only assume that is why the police only intended to charge him with the crime, Yes, but there can be other factors involved, eg. behaviour of passengers in vehicle etc., but nevermind. |
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Post by acricketer on Aug 10, 2024 13:28:04 GMT
If we can name a stand the Achilles Security Stand we can move on from Ray Jones.
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Ray Jones
Aug 10, 2024 13:55:41 GMT
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Post by Bill on Aug 10, 2024 13:55:41 GMT
I can, but it would probably incriminate others. Either way he was not convicted, and I won't speculate more on this. 👍 He was named as the cause of death in the inquiry. That makes him guilty. Cant believe this still going on. You dont know exactly what happened,were you there no witnesses these things are part of life. Maybe he swerved to avoid someone on his side of the road? Its tragic but ffs leave it at that. R.I.P.means what it says. |
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Ray Jones
Aug 10, 2024 15:07:07 GMT
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Aug 10, 2024 15:07:07 GMT
U watch, we drop him from the squad and we get relegated, training ground burns down, etc
The curse of Ray kicks in
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