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Post by Shania on Sept 22, 2024 16:35:38 GMT
Frey`s passing yesterday was great. This season`s most improved player so far IMO. Or rather like we all know.
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Post by 1973ranger on Sept 22, 2024 16:46:02 GMT
Marti set us up all wrong, Varane had to start to help Field in the middle of the field as Madsen and Andersen cannot do that. When you play Millwall you match them physically then you earn the right to play. At no stage yesterday did we control that game.
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Post by jfrabbit on Sept 22, 2024 18:33:19 GMT
Four times we've given away possession playing it around at the back. Really don't understand why we persist with it. This,another good point just puts pressure on the whole team because we not good at it. Mix it up please. You play four or five passes around at the back where you are being pressed, giving the opposition four or five opportunities to rob the ball off you then it finally goes back to the keeper and he kicks it long. What's the point? I'd rather get the ball up the pitch and start work from there. |
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Post by jfrabbit on Sept 22, 2024 18:34:35 GMT
Agree with all that Bill apart from Marti getting the side wrong because I thought that was probably our strongest side on paper, but got to say most of them didn't even turn up. Apart from the keeper, hardly anyone else deserves a mention. Sorry but lightweights against Millwall is not going to work. We all know how they play Saito and Dembele are not physical players which i understand but Madsen and Andersen were also yesterday hence them overunning us. Agree on paper probably our best side but not against a very physical side like Millwall. Lost count of how many times we gave possesion away cheaply and lost the ball in 50/50s in our own half,you just cant do that imo. Also like it or not we missed Colback big time. Marti should know these things and pick team accordingly. It's a fair point you make, but Marti is never going to think that way because he doesn't play football in a physical style. He wants us to pop it around teams so the likes of Dembele and Saito are good for that reason they just didn't turn up. Also Colback was injured & not available. |
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Post by jfrabbit on Sept 22, 2024 18:39:42 GMT
Another thing that I'm really struggling to understand is Dembele got two assists in his first couple of games when taking corners. Why the fuck have we now got Anderson taking corners when he can't even beat the first man? Stupid fucking decision. With Dembele being left footed I think we have him on the left inswinging corners, and the opposite with Flaneur. That was certainly the case 1st half My son said the same as you, but with the "quality" of his deliveries, he should be nowhere near corners. |
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Post by acricketer on Sept 22, 2024 20:45:25 GMT
With Dembele being left footed I think we have him on the left inswinging corners, and the opposite with Flaneur. That was certainly the case 1st half My son said the same as you, but with the "quality" of his deliveries, he should be nowhere near corners. Don't worry. Ilias will be back soon! |
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Post by itsonlyagame on Sept 22, 2024 21:08:25 GMT
It does make you wonder whether some managers, even the best of them, overthink things.
As the attacking team, you can work on corner kicks in terms of blocking defenders/keepers etc all day long but the no.1 priority is the corner needs to be delivered into the box.
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Post by Bill on Sept 22, 2024 22:03:20 GMT
Sorry but lightweights against Millwall is not going to work. We all know how they play Saito and Dembele are not physical players which i understand but Madsen and Andersen were also yesterday hence them overunning us. Agree on paper probably our best side but not against a very physical side like Millwall. Lost count of how many times we gave possesion away cheaply and lost the ball in 50/50s in our own half,you just cant do that imo. Also like it or not we missed Colback big time. Marti should know these things and pick team accordingly. It's a fair point you make, but Marti is never going to think that way because he doesn't play football in a physical style. He wants us to pop it around teams so the likes of Dembele and Saito are good for that reason they just didn't turn up. Also Colback was injured & not available. I know Colback was injured sadly Marti needs to get wise then as quite a few teams in this league will be just like Millwall and will bully us with a repeat of that line up |
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Post by Bill on Sept 22, 2024 22:20:11 GMT
Marti set us up all wrong, Varane had to start to help Field in the middle of the field as Madsen and Andersen cannot do that. When you play Millwall you match them physically then you earn the right to play. At no stage yesterday did we control that game. This |
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Sept 23, 2024 7:52:23 GMT
Re Andersen, saw on the highlights that it was his cool-headed pass out from defence that set Dembele off which led to the goal - missed that in the ground.
I know he had a stinker, looked two yards too slow and cocked up a few great positions.
But he also got himself into space for two of our best chances.
Was getting as frustrated by him as the next fan on Saturday but for me he is far, far less of a problem than Smyth and Madsen.
As others have said a lot of that poor performance was on the balance of the team - and that sits with Marti.
We can't carry two such non-physical players as Andersen and Madsen, particularly against a team like Millwall - it has to be one or the other.
To think some were even suggesting a few games back we drop Field and play Varane and Madsen together.
We would be like goldfish in a piranha pool - eaten alive! We badly need some muscularity in the centre, along with some bravery to turn and move the ball forward.
There was a moment late on when Varane had the ball with no other player within 20 yards of him, and with minutes remaining he passed it back - its pathetic!
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Post by hal9thou on Sept 23, 2024 11:05:24 GMT
There was a moment late on when Varane had the ball with no other player within 20 yards of him, and with minutes remaining he passed it back - its pathetic! This is absolutely to the point. Knocking it around at the back is useless if the players in front are static and/or isolated. It's also useless if you don't get quick ball at the end of it. Kiki - Madame's name for Saito - may as well be playing down the Scrubs, he's that far away from any support. Let's get real. No use getting them 'comfortable on the ball' if they can't do anything with it. |
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Post by jfrabbit on Sept 25, 2024 5:27:49 GMT
Yea I'm not buying all the praise I'm seeing for Varane personally.
From what I've seen he's.... ok I suppose, but is he worth spending the money we did on him?
Looks a slightly and I mean ever so slightly better Dozzell.
Hope he proves me wrong, but as it stands he doesn't excite me at all.
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Post by Corbray on Sept 25, 2024 6:29:50 GMT
still early days for him JFR and not a dozzell type player imo, much better haircut for one. dozzell looked like his mum was still cutting his hair.
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Post by jfrabbit on Sept 25, 2024 18:03:02 GMT
still early days for him JFR and not a dozzell type player imo, much better haircut for one. dozzell looked like his mum was still cutting his hair. 🤣 Yea defo early and I'm only going on first impressions. I like players that come on and make a difference. He doesn't IMO. |
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Sept 26, 2024 10:26:14 GMT
Yeah, I think the enthusiasm for Varane to date is more of the "shiny new player so must be good" variety. A couple of excellent tackles aside (along with a few weak as piss failed ones) there is little yet to mark him out as a massive improvement on Dozzell. Apart from his goal, same could be said of Madsen.
More positively, Dembele and Saito are different class to Smyth who was our "marque summer signing" the summer before. Neither have yet to impose themselves on games but they are at least creating concrete chances and you can see the potential.
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Post by hubble on Sept 26, 2024 11:49:29 GMT
Yea I'm not buying all the praise I'm seeing for Varane personally. From what I've seen he's.... ok I suppose, but is he worth spending the money we did on him? Looks a slightly and I mean ever so slightly better Dozzell. Hope he proves me wrong, but as it stands he doesn't excite me at all. Well, it's all about opinions, but I have to say I disagree with you Jimmy, and others, who don't rate Varane (much), or say they haven't seen anything to justify the praise. It's often the case that we fans see different things. I have been particularly focused on Varane the last two games and I've seen him do much more that pass the ball forward a couple of times and make a couple of good tackles. For me, he's a game changer, and this was apparent v Millwall second half. He shored up our midfield, made several key interceptions, passed the ball forward many times more than he did backwards, and was always looking to keep things moving. I think he's going to prove to be a real find.
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Post by West Acton on Sept 26, 2024 15:42:04 GMT
Yeah, I think the enthusiasm for Varane to date is more of the "shiny new player so must be good" variety. A couple of excellent tackles aside (along with a few weak as piss failed ones) there is little yet to mark him out as a massive improvement on Dozzell. Apart from his goal, same could be said of Madsen. More positively, Dembele and Saito are different class to Smyth who was our "marque summer signing" the summer before. Neither have yet to impose themselves on games but they are at least creating concrete chances and you can see the potential. not seen too much this far to suggest Saito that much better then Smyth I’ve been pretty disappointed so far. |
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Sept 26, 2024 15:52:54 GMT
Yeah, I think the enthusiasm for Varane to date is more of the "shiny new player so must be good" variety. A couple of excellent tackles aside (along with a few weak as piss failed ones) there is little yet to mark him out as a massive improvement on Dozzell. Apart from his goal, same could be said of Madsen. More positively, Dembele and Saito are different class to Smyth who was our "marque summer signing" the summer before. Neither have yet to impose themselves on games but they are at least creating concrete chances and you can see the potential. not seen too much this far to suggest Saito that much better then Smyth I’ve been pretty disappointed so far. Hard to judge as service to him has been so poor. Smyth just a headless chicken to me. Saito one of our few bright sparks against Millwall IMHO - nothing amazing but at least he ran at Millwall a few times rather than playing back and looks to have composure. But with Paal playing in central midfield and Madsen asleep he was v isolated |
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Post by West Acton on Sept 26, 2024 16:04:59 GMT
Good points agree totally on Smyth
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Post by 901rsfandan on Sept 26, 2024 16:11:50 GMT
not seen too much this far to suggest Saito that much better then Smyth I’ve been pretty disappointed so far. Hard to judge as service to him has been so poor. Smyth just a headless chicken to me. Saito one of our few bright sparks against Millwall IMHO - nothing amazing but at least he ran at Millwall a few times rather than playing back and looks to have composure. But with Paal playing in central midfield and Madsen asleep he was v isolated This! This is exactly why I like him. He doesn't always end up "delivering" but boy is he sure not afraid to try. He's in constant attack mode. If we had others like him, other than Dembele, Frey would be having a field day! Maybe Chair will turn the tide. |
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Post by hal9thou on Sept 27, 2024 11:45:05 GMT
Yeah, I think the enthusiasm for Varane to date is more of the "shiny new player so must be good" variety. A couple of excellent tackles aside (along with a few weak as piss failed ones) there is little yet to mark him out as a massive improvement on Dozzell. Apart from his goal, same could be said of Madsen. More positively, Dembele and Saito are different class to Smyth who was our "marque summer signing" the summer before. Neither have yet to impose themselves on games but they are at least creating concrete chances and you can see the potential. not seen too much this far to suggest Saito that much better then Smyth I’ve been pretty disappointed so far. We like Kiki. Takes on his man, can go round, effort player. Good off the ball looking for the pass that never comes (because we don't do quick release.) For me Smyth only comes on when its the last 5 minutes of the cup final and we're a goal down, gone W formation.... |
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