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Post by Bill on Oct 14, 2024 14:19:55 GMT
In this break i have been thinking about football generally and the modern trend
Sideways,backwards,sideways backwards and repeat again and again.
Question are players using this methodology to protect themselves from injury?
I watched a div 2 game Saturday and even they are playing this way.
Entertainment gone except in very short bursts if your lucky
Very limited end product and mostly negative football at a great cost to the fans.
I would call it Limited Injury Risk Football which imo has very limited existance.
Just my thoughts as i cant see the point of it now.
Call me crazy or a loon,what you guys and girls think ?
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Post by MattyRangers on Oct 14, 2024 15:01:39 GMT
Personally think we are all guilty of nostalgia myself.
As frustrating as many things are in modern football, the 'Pep style' everybody wants to play now isn't 1 of them for me, personally, anyway. I think there were just as many if not more dull boring sides sat with 8 or 9 men behind the ball and hoofing it forward, say, 20 years ago as we do now trying to pay this modern style.
Makes for a much more attratcive brand of football IMO.
All that said, I do think it is suicidal at times when teams try to play it when they quite clearly don't have the players to (prime example Burnley last season & Soton so far this season).
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Post by acricketer on Oct 14, 2024 15:34:19 GMT
Personally think we are all guilty of nostalgia myself. As frustrating as many things are in modern football, the 'Pep style' everybody wants to play now isn't 1 of them for me, personally, anyway. I think there were just as many if not more dull boring sides sat with 8 or 9 men behind the ball and hoofing it forward, say, 20 years ago as we do now trying to pay this modern style. Makes for a much more attratcive brand of football IMO. All that said, I do think it is suicidal at times when teams try to play it when they quite clearly don't have the players to (prime example Burnley last season & Soton so far this season). And us this season!!! |
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Post by Bill on Oct 14, 2024 16:22:27 GMT
Personally think we are all guilty of nostalgia myself. As frustrating as many things are in modern football, the 'Pep style' everybody wants to play now isn't 1 of them for me, personally, anyway. I think there were just as many if not more dull boring sides sat with 8 or 9 men behind the ball and hoofing it forward, say, 20 years ago as we do now trying to pay this modern style. Makes for a much more attratcive brand of football IMO. All that said, I do think it is suicidal at times when teams try to play it when they quite clearly don't have the players to (prime example Burnley last season & Soton so far this season). I guess there is an element of nostalgia. Just tbink passing the ball around at the back is pointless with no end product. Rarely see a winger take a full back on,often see the ball reach the wing near penalty area and no cross put in and the ball goes backwards. If your a top side with quality players i can see it but for your average pro,it is pointless imo. How much time do you think during a game the ball going around at the back in a game amounts to? Take the London derby against Millwall one of the most tame tepid games i have ever seen for a derby. Is it really value for money? Is it an easy ride for the players? How many fans ate being tsken for a ride? |
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Post by Bill on Oct 14, 2024 16:24:31 GMT
Personally think we are all guilty of nostalgia myself. As frustrating as many things are in modern football, the 'Pep style' everybody wants to play now isn't 1 of them for me, personally, anyway. I think there were just as many if not more dull boring sides sat with 8 or 9 men behind the ball and hoofing it forward, say, 20 years ago as we do now trying to pay this modern style. Makes for a much more attratcive brand of football IMO. All that said, I do think it is suicidal at times when teams try to play it when they quite clearly don't have the players to (prime example Burnley last season & Soton so far this season). And us this season!!! Yes i agree like us but its not just us,its an epedemic. |
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Post by James1979 on Oct 14, 2024 16:47:37 GMT
Yeah agree. I’ve never got the passing around at the back. But I also hate the lumping it up field too. Short passing at pace, quick breaks and beating players and crunching tackles!
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Post by Shania on Oct 14, 2024 16:52:16 GMT
Yesterday, I watched the highlights of the legendary match between West Brom V Man Utd in the 78/79(?) season and was thinking the same as you, Bill.
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Post by alanwycombe on Oct 14, 2024 17:03:44 GMT
In this break i have been thinking about football generally and the modern trend Sideways,backwards,sideways backwards and repeat again and again. Question are players using this methodology to protect themselves from injury? I watched a div 2 game Saturday and even they are playing this way. Entertainment gone except in very short bursts if your lucky Very limited end product and mostly negative football at a great cost to the fans. I would call it Limited Injury Risk Football which imo has very limited existance. Just my thoughts as i cant see the point of it now. Call me crazy or a loon,what you guys and girls think ? Modern players are fitter, faster, generally better athletes and there are a larger number of very skilful players who are not necessarily more skilful than back in the day. Far fewer dirty bastards now who had nothing else to offer but more cheats and cry babies. Is it more entertaining now? No. |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Oct 14, 2024 17:08:22 GMT
Mmmmm nostalgia, I do hanker for them long lost days of winning a game
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Post by West Acton on Oct 14, 2024 17:29:20 GMT
Most time I watch MOTD revisited you see defence passing ball to keeper who picks it up then he roles it out and they do it again or he launches it from hands. That’s boring. Fortunately I only had to watch little bit of keepers being able to pick up back passes before the law changed. You do make a point Bill which has me pulling my hair out and we are unfortunately one of the worst for it which is getting to position of where can cross ball only to stop and pass back to Paal or Dunne infuriates me. Think we would create more chances if we put it in when we get the opportunity. |
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Post by Corbray on Oct 14, 2024 17:44:53 GMT
it's a shame bill. i'm only 31 and even in my time football has undergone drastic changes.
it's all about numbers, stats and percentages now to an extreme level. shooting outside the box for example yields something around only a 7% chance of scoring and only 13% of shots from outside the box are actually on target.
those are numbers that will be drilled into players. it's all about organizations
, minimizing risk, maximising effort potential and ball retention. players don't try things anymore because there's so much at stake if you mess up and the numbers don't lie as the saying goes. so teams will play it safe rather than try the outrageous.
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Post by alanwycombe on Oct 14, 2024 17:49:55 GMT
Most time I watch MOTD revisited you see defence passing ball to keeper who picks it up then he roles it out and they do it again or he launches it from hands. That’s boring. Fortunately I only had to watch little bit of keepers being able to pick up back passes before the law changed. You do make a point Bill which has me pulling my hair out and we are unfortunately one of the worst for it which is getting to position of where can cross ball only to stop and pass back to Paal or Dunne infuriates me. Think we would create more chances if we put it in when we get the opportunity. Liverpool were by far the worst offenders - Hansen to Lawrenson to Grobelaar over and over again. |
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Post by West Acton on Oct 14, 2024 17:59:02 GMT
Most time I watch MOTD revisited you see defence passing ball to keeper who picks it up then he roles it out and they do it again or he launches it from hands. That’s boring. Fortunately I only had to watch little bit of keepers being able to pick up back passes before the law changed. You do make a point Bill which has me pulling my hair out and we are unfortunately one of the worst for it which is getting to position of where can cross ball only to stop and pass back to Paal or Dunne infuriates me. Think we would create more chances if we put it in when we get the opportunity. Liverpool were by far the worst offenders - Hansen to Lawrenson to Grobelaar over and over again. yes they stick out for it. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Oct 14, 2024 19:07:36 GMT
You do make a point Bill which has me pulling my hair out and we are unfortunately one of the worst for it which is getting to position of where can cross ball only to stop and pass back to Paal or Dunne infuriates me. Think we would create more chances if we put it in when we get the opportunity. Agree, that tactic is even more infuriating. This obsession with retaining possession at all costs. Just whip balls in at pace, behind the backline but ahead of the keeper. Those are a defender and keeper's nightmare. |
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Post by Corbray on Oct 14, 2024 19:32:57 GMT
You do make a point Bill which has me pulling my hair out and we are unfortunately one of the worst for it which is getting to position of where can cross ball only to stop and pass back to Paal or Dunne infuriates me. Think we would create more chances if we put it in when we get the opportunity. Agree, that tactic is even more infuriating. This obsession with retaining possession at all costs. Just whip balls in at pace, behind the backline but ahead of the keeper. Those are a defender and keeper's nightmare. teams would learn from that pretty quickly though and set up to counter that, hit a long ball up top and score. there's so much analysis that goes on in football now that it's become all about fine margins and the like. i'm sure there are still some similarities with modern and old school football but it has changed dramatically. most styles of football can be put in a few categories, possession based, giga pressing, counter attacking and direct. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Oct 14, 2024 20:20:12 GMT
Agree, that tactic is even more infuriating. This obsession with retaining possession at all costs. Just whip balls in at pace, behind the backline but ahead of the keeper. Those are a defender and keeper's nightmare. teams would learn from that pretty quickly though and set up to counter that Not saying all the time Corbs. But you HAVE to vary it more, which we don't. |
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Post by alanwycombe on Oct 14, 2024 21:42:11 GMT
Everybody rightly points to City when talking about how to play the passing and possession game but they also reintroduced the through ball when they signed Haaland so it proves you can vary your game if you have the right players.
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Post by Bill on Oct 15, 2024 9:42:41 GMT
In this break i have been thinking about football generally and the modern trend Sideways,backwards,sideways backwards and repeat again and again. Question are players using this methodology to protect themselves from injury? I watched a div 2 game Saturday and even they are playing this way. Entertainment gone except in very short bursts if your lucky Very limited end product and mostly negative football at a great cost to the fans. I would call it Limited Injury Risk Football which imo has very limited existance. Just my thoughts as i cant see the point of it now. Call me crazy or a loon,what you guys and girls think ? Modern players are fitter, faster, generally better athletes and there are a larger number of very skilful players who are not necessarily more skilful than back in the day. Far fewer dirty bastards now who had nothing else to offer but more cheats and cry babies. Is it more entertaining now? No. Modern players also wear carpet slippers,play on well manicured pitches,are theatrical and treated like over pampered pets diet etc. Think there are dirty bastards out there but the rules are ridiculous. Like when you commit to a tackle get the ball and follow through on a player its deemed a foul.How the hell are you supposed to control that action,momentum alone carries you through. Alan points out modern players are faster and fitter,personally not sure about that as the ball is just passed around at the back,the length of time on restarts seems to be increasing,the refs intervening to say they are watching them,WHY,of course they are its they job,subs seem to take forever and a day and recently a free kick into the box and think there were three dummies by the right footed player and three by the left footed player and when it went in it sailed over the bar. Made me laugh like Strictly on a football pitch. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Oct 15, 2024 10:00:41 GMT
Modern players are fitter, faster, generally better athletes and there are a larger number of very skilful players who are not necessarily more skilful than back in the day. Far fewer dirty bastards now who had nothing else to offer but more cheats and cry babies. Is it more entertaining now? No. Modern players also wear carpet slippers,play on well manicured pitches,are theatrical and treated like over pampered pets diet etc. Think there are dirty bastards out there but the rules are ridiculous. Like when you commit to a tackle get the ball and follow through on a player its deemed a foul.How the hell are you supposed to control that action,momentum alone carries you through. Because they literally want to change a 140 year old game so that it's no longer a contact sport? |
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Post by Bill on Oct 15, 2024 10:03:01 GMT
Everybody rightly points to City when talking about how to play the passing and possession game but they also reintroduced the through ball when they signed Haaland so it proves you can vary your game if you have the right players. Quite right but in our case we have'nt got that option. |
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Post by Bill on Oct 15, 2024 10:12:21 GMT
Modern players also wear carpet slippers,play on well manicured pitches,are theatrical and treated like over pampered pets diet etc. Think there are dirty bastards out there but the rules are ridiculous. Like when you commit to a tackle get the ball and follow through on a player its deemed a foul.How the hell are you supposed to control that action,momentum alone carries you through. Because they literally want to change a 140 year old game so that it's no longer a contact sport? Think your right Stan,for me if that came to fruition i would not bother like a lot if others. Its bad enough with the game as it is at present. Personally with more and more odd k.o.times,travelling expenses,time and the current trend in football the game as many know it will die. Jimmy Rabbit mentioned this and i for one agree. Very sad day,for the real fans but a great day for the corporate prawn sandwich and those who are new to the game and know nothing different. Atmosphete will be lost,the emotional highs and lows will be gone and the great banter will be missing as well. Oh well my opinion is done,we move on to Pompey.🫣 |
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Post by alanwycombe on Oct 15, 2024 10:14:39 GMT
One small thing that really pisses me off, subs should be ready to come on not have to get changed and kitted up. Not ready to come on? Play on.
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Post by Corbray on Oct 15, 2024 11:35:48 GMT
Because they literally want to change a 140 year old game so that it's no longer a contact sport? Think your right Stan,for me if that came to fruition i would not bother like a lot if others. Its bad enough with the game as it is at present. Personally with more and more odd k.o.times,travelling expenses,time and the current trend in football the game as many know it will die. Jimmy Rabbit mentioned this and i for one agree. Very sad day,for the real fans but a great day for the corporate prawn sandwich and those who are new to the game and know nothing different. Atmosphete will be lost,the emotional highs and lows will be gone and the great banter will be missing as well. Oh well my opinion is done,we move on to Pompey.🫣 agree with most tbh. my ST costs something like £590 a season irc. £590 for a championship club is insane but that's the way football is going now, it's so money driven. i said as much during england's game vs greece, zero atmosphere and full of people who probably still think that david beckham is still playing lol. |
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Post by Shania on Oct 15, 2024 18:08:46 GMT
Pressing was what our 74/75 team were very good at. That why it`s so frustrating to see how poor we do it at the moment.
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