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Post by stainrodisalegend on Oct 20, 2024 10:39:25 GMT
A common theme in failing organisations is that they go all-in on one particular strategy and then when that fails, in desperation, they go all-in with the exact opposite strategy.
Think Beale to Ainsworth to Marti, along with the different types of players they signed.
Any successful company - or country - needs consistency.
We went from signing old Championship warhorses to Continental academy types who fantasise about playing for Barca.
Neither strategy was right as you always need a blend.
Frustrated as I am with Nourry and Marti if I were the board I would be telling them “this is your fiasco - now own it.”
What would be the result of sacking them?
Prob getting in some Championship “Mr Motivator” manager who would bring in some aged Champ cast offs on loan because their agent is a mate, thinking purely short term.
It might even keep us up - once. But then we have an even more disjointed squad, results would plateau and so the circus repeats.
The one positive is Nourry and Marti are at least intelligent. Intelligent people typically learn from mistakes.
They have surely learned that wannabe Barca academy players don’t work in the Champ. Or at least if you have one of those he needs to be balanced by a nasty thug who will put his foot in.
In previous seasons I’ve been labelled a bit of a happy clapper but have been very negative ever since the lacklustre, complacent displays I witnessed pre-season. I said then it was setting the tone and so it has proved.
But to balance that negativity - while there is no question we will be in another relegation dogfight this season we can still get out of it.
Key to it IMHO is:
getting JCS back in the same back 4 as last season
getting Coleback or Varane back asap
getting chair fit
getting saito and dembele more involved in games even if it means dropping them deeper
getting Ashby and Madsen the fuck out of the squad
limping thru till Christmas and getting hayden on loan Jan 1.
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Post by West Acton on Oct 20, 2024 11:53:15 GMT
Cracking post 👌🏽👏🏽
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Post by alanwycombe on Oct 20, 2024 11:53:34 GMT
So we’ve got rid of Donkey, Muscles, Dozy, half a Willock and poor old Kakay and actually made things worse by spending money we weren’t supposed to be able to afford for a half decent striker.
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Post by Bill on Oct 20, 2024 12:12:54 GMT
My concerns are how Nourry,Cifuentes and Belk can get things so wrong.
I was sceptical about these signings from day one along with a few others.
Cant see how any due dilligence or scouting was done as only 1 player looks ok, Nardi.
For me looks like the rest have been selected by picking balls out of a hat.
Also as i said in a another thread often second season for a coach can be more difficult.
We as a squad are far weaker than last season,its obvious to everyone.Why release Kakay for players that are no better.
Its their mess and its up to them to fix this abomination.
Whether they can given our finances and poorly structured squad is uncertain.
One thing is for sure they have cocked up the one time in recent times where we were positioned to move forward.
How the hell this can happen i just dont know.
I think Nourry is pretty well described by West Acton in another post,just a PR man who has failed miserably.
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Post by jfrabbit on Oct 20, 2024 13:05:20 GMT
So QPR.
I swear we're cursed
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Post by itsonlyagame on Oct 20, 2024 13:10:05 GMT
So we’ve got rid of Donkey, Muscles, Dozy, half a Willock and poor old Kakay and actually made things worse by spending money we weren’t supposed to be able to afford for a half decent striker. Seemingly impossible, yet we’ve managed to do it somehow. |
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Post by acricketer on Oct 20, 2024 13:20:31 GMT
So we’ve got rid of Donkey, Muscles, Dozy, half a Willock and poor old Kakay and actually made things worse by spending money we weren’t supposed to be able to afford for a half decent striker. Seemingly impossible, yet we’ve managed to do it somehow. We are magic! |
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Post by hal9thou on Oct 20, 2024 15:24:23 GMT
Willock and poor old Kakay great assist and decent goal by Willock yesterday. Always worried about us going into this season without a 10 (ie 2 footed, can go past / find space) for love or money. As for Kakay, I'd have had him on the team sheet in front of some of the incomers. I always thought he got a rough time from Rs fans, courtesy of successive managers who played him out of position. Marti and Christian had a lot more to learn before being handed the reins to a championship club. Now they're doing it the hard way. |
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Post by James1979 on Oct 20, 2024 15:30:43 GMT
I agree with stain’s original post in that you need a happy medium. But I think we do have some experienced championship players: Dunne, Cook, Paal, Field, Colback, Chair, Fox. That is a solid base. We’ve then got players like Smyth and Dembele who have a League 1 experience. We’ve then brought in players who on paper should be good young players in Morrison, Varane, Saito. We’ve replaced and probably improved the goalie. The issues this season are down to more than just recruitment.
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Post by 1qprdk on Oct 20, 2024 22:25:50 GMT
Yeah get Kakay back, and all will be fucking brilliant again. Shame he got poached and is now playing for the famous "Without Club".
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Post by itsonlyagame on Oct 21, 2024 10:07:41 GMT
Yeah get Kakay back, and all will be fucking brilliant again. Shame he got poached and is now playing for the famous "Without Club". It’s a funny old game as Greavesie used to say. For a large part of last season and up until a couple of weeks ago Colback was the anti-Christ with a fair few saying he shouldn’t be anywhere near the starting line up. Now we can’t wait to have him back😆 |
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Oct 21, 2024 10:10:27 GMT
Yeah get Kakay back, and all will be fucking brilliant again. Shame he got poached and is now playing for the famous "Without Club". It’s a funny old game as Greavesie used to say. For a large part of last season and up until a couple of weeks ago Colback was the anti-Christ with a fair few saying he shouldn’t be anywhere near the starting line up. Now we can’t wait to have him back😆 Its long been like that at Rangers. Whoever isn't playing/ available/ still with us is the missing link. Its the "king across the water" syndrome. It was a funny old window in retrospect. Probably the best in memory for getting rid of the dead wood. Recruitment-wise, not so much. |
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Post by hal9thou on Oct 21, 2024 10:33:07 GMT
Yeah get Kakay back, and all will be fucking brilliant again. Shame he got poached and is now playing for the famous "Without Club". Plenty of decent players have come back from exactly that place and regenerated their careers. My post was about Willock, but, on what we’ve seen to date, I’d put Kaykay - played in the right position - in front of all the incomers bar the GK. At least he gave it everything he had. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Oct 21, 2024 10:38:29 GMT
Yeah get Kakay back, and all will be fucking brilliant again. Shame he got poached and is now playing for the famous "Without Club". Plenty of decent players have come back from exactly that place and regenerated their careers. My post was about Willock, but, on what we’ve seen to date, I’d put Kaykay - played in the right position - in front of all the incomers bar the GK. At least he gave it everything he had. If Kakay was that good then why is he still unemployed? Think that's the thrust of DK's point. |
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Oct 21, 2024 11:49:17 GMT
Not sure anyone is seriously suggesting the return of Kakay (unless I've missed it).
But equally, is Ashby an improvement? If he were a free agent now, who would sign him?
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Post by hal9thou on Oct 21, 2024 13:54:19 GMT
Not sure anyone is seriously suggesting the return of Kakay (unless I've missed it). But equally, is Ashby an improvement? If he were a free agent now, who would sign him? Zackly my point. Are the new options demonstrably an improvement? I’m not sure they are. That doesn’t mean we should be on the phone to KK. |
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Post by Shania on Oct 22, 2024 7:15:28 GMT
This organisation needs a DOF.
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Post by hal9thou on Oct 22, 2024 7:28:00 GMT
This organisation needs a DOF. I think that’s right. A really experienced guiding hand on the tiller would be a welcome addition. Suggestions? |
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Post by Shania on Oct 22, 2024 7:42:45 GMT
This organisation needs a DOF. I think that’s right. A really experienced guiding hand on the tiller would be a welcome addition. Suggestions? Warburton, but not sure he will come or the hierarchy will even interview him for the post. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Oct 22, 2024 8:30:29 GMT
I think that’s right. A really experienced guiding hand on the tiller would be a welcome addition. Suggestions? Warburton, but not sure he will come or the hierarchy will even interview him for the post. Hoos, Nourry and DoF salaries, for a club of our size and budget constraints? |
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Post by Shania on Oct 22, 2024 8:46:48 GMT
Warburton, but not sure he will come or the hierarchy will even interview him for the post. Hoos, Nourry and DoF salaries, for a club of our size and budget constraints? Yes of course, the salary is a problem, but for how long will Hoos stay? Not for very long. |
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Post by hal9thou on Oct 22, 2024 9:50:14 GMT
Warburton, but not sure he will come or the hierarchy will even interview him for the post. Hoos, Nourry and DoF salaries, for a club of our size and budget constraints? unfortunately the CEO and Marti have demonstrated their lack of experience , which has already proved expensive, and the meter is ticking. I think there is an argument for getting a DoF in before January. I think there are ways to defray salary expenses to some extent, or at least to ameliorate the financial hit. Assuming everyone at the club is on board with this idea (which they won’t be) the question would then be who? Nourry Marti and the players need a daddy figure to steer the ship until the end of the season. If I were Ruben, I’’d been insisting on this. |
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Oct 22, 2024 12:31:33 GMT
You need someone in charge of recruitment tho. If you take recruitment away from Nourry, what is the point of him?
That is his entire experience (such as it is).
I never wanted Warbs to go, but now he has, we can't have him coming in and bringing in the next Wallace (32, great on his day, but legs fucked).
For years our squads have been littered with the carcasses of the previous regime. This can't go on.
The point I was trying to make in the OP is we can't keep going round in circles trying to do what we did the time before last but just a bit better.
Maybe we can somehow afford Hayden on loan if Newcastle are desperate to off-load in Jan. But we can't afford to bin off all these players we got in the summer and recruit a new team.
This mess is on Nourry and Marti - let them fix it.
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Post by Stanley75 on Oct 22, 2024 12:45:49 GMT
This mess is on Nourry and Marti - let them fix it. Agreed The other suggestions have been to sack one or the other, and/or bring in a DoF. Too early for any of that. |
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Post by alanwycombe on Oct 22, 2024 21:03:55 GMT
You need someone in charge of recruitment tho. If you take recruitment away from Nourry, what is the point of him? That is his entire experience (such as it is). I never wanted Warbs to go, but now he has, we can't have him coming in and bringing in the next Wallace (32, great on his day, but legs fucked). For years our squads have been littered with the carcasses of the previous regime. This can't go on. The point I was trying to make in the OP is we can't keep going round in circles trying to do what we did the time before last but just a bit better. Maybe we can somehow afford Hayden on loan if Newcastle are desperate to off-load in Jan. But we can't afford to bin off all these players we got in the summer and recruit a new team. This mess is on Nourry and Marti - let them fix it. This. I don’t believe Warburton will add anything to recruitment. |
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