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Post by jfrabbit on Nov 6, 2024 22:55:31 GMT
The fans for allowing this shit show to continue. How's it our fault?! lol Ridiculous |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Nov 7, 2024 8:02:38 GMT
On reflection and taking some time I now regret blaming development squad, it’s all the youth teams fault now
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Post by Corbray on Nov 7, 2024 11:04:46 GMT
injuries, overly ambitious style of play, players not being as yet adept enough for the league. big emphasis on the injuries part.
still have full faith in marti to turn it around and want him to stay even if we do go down. he's a very good manager and one we need to put faith and stock in, we sack him and then what? bring in gary rowett or some other seasoned manager to steady the ship and keep us up? then what?
club has many problems but keeping up with the charade of sacking managers won't do imo.
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Post by alanwycombe on Nov 7, 2024 11:17:25 GMT
injuries, overly ambitious style of play, players not being as yet adept enough for the league. big emphasis on the injuries part. still have full faith in marti to turn it around and want him to stay even if we do go down. he's a very good manager and one we need to put faith and stock in, we sack him and then what? bring in gary rowett or some other seasoned manager to steady the ship and keep us up? then what? club has many problems but keeping up with the charade of sacking managers won't do imo. ok, so NOT having a pop at anyone, just playing Devil’s advocate (and I don’t want Marti sacked…..just yet, but we have to be careful) but if we do recruit a Gary Rowett type and he does steady the ship and wins a few matches isn’t that the idea? Putting the club in a better position has to help when planning the future. This idea of building a dynasty is for the birds - no one ever stays that long. If Marti turns us around and we start to shine other clubs will be in for him anyway. Look at Robins - 7 years of no ground, no money, selling good players and they can’t give him one poor start when he needs to rebuild again. Some dynasty. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Nov 7, 2024 11:42:04 GMT
injuries, overly ambitious style of play, players not being as yet adept enough for the league. big emphasis on the injuries part. still have full faith in marti to turn it around and want him to stay even if we do go down. he's a very good manager and one we need to put faith and stock in, we sack him and then what? bring in gary rowett or some other seasoned manager to steady the ship and keep us up? then what? club has many problems but keeping up with the charade of sacking managers won't do imo. ok, so NOT having a pop at anyone, just playing Devil’s advocate (and I don’t want Marti sacked…..just yet, but we have to be careful) but if we do recruit a Gary Rowett type and he does steady the ship and wins a few matches isn’t that the idea? Putting the club in a better position has to help when planning the future. This idea of building a dynasty is for the birds - no one ever stays that long. If Marti turns us around and we start to shine other clubs will be in for him anyway. Look at Robins - 7 years of no ground, no money, selling good players and they can’t give him one poor start when he needs to rebuild again. Some dynasty. The problem isn’t Marti imo Al, therefore sacking him isn’t the answer Belk should go before him And Nourry needs to be accountable for his summer recruitment decisions. Not sack him but he needs to be made accountable for them. |
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Post by Corbray on Nov 7, 2024 11:43:53 GMT
injuries, overly ambitious style of play, players not being as yet adept enough for the league. big emphasis on the injuries part. still have full faith in marti to turn it around and want him to stay even if we do go down. he's a very good manager and one we need to put faith and stock in, we sack him and then what? bring in gary rowett or some other seasoned manager to steady the ship and keep us up? then what? club has many problems but keeping up with the charade of sacking managers won't do imo. ok, so NOT having a pop at anyone, just playing Devil’s advocate (and I don’t want Marti sacked…..just yet, but we have to be careful) but if we do recruit a Gary Rowett type and he does steady the ship and wins a few matches isn’t that the idea? Putting the club in a better position has to help when planning the future. This idea of building a dynasty is for the birds - no one ever stays that long. If Marti turns us around and we start to shine other clubs will be in for him anyway. Look at Robins - 7 years of no ground, no money, selling good players and they can’t give him one poor start when he needs to rebuild again. Some dynasty. can only really work with what we have. club has made so many mistakes but sacking marti would just be another one imo. been far from good but there have been the odd positive sign even during this dire run. marti could well turn the ship around and get poached by someone else, we don't know. just my personal belief that there's no better manager out there for this team than marti. IF we go down we will operate under different FFP rules to the championship and could do a birmingham so to speak. we'd have a top player for the league too in dembele too. |
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Post by alanwycombe on Nov 7, 2024 12:42:00 GMT
No way should we be happy about going down. Awful league and no guarantee at all that we’d get out of it quickly. The last thing we need. We need to be attracting the next generation of supporters too. League One team or our neighbours?
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Nov 7, 2024 12:46:36 GMT
No way should we be happy about going down. Awful league and no guarantee at all that we’d get out of it quickly. The last thing we need. We need to be attracting the next generation of supporters too. League One team or our neighbours? football crowds on whole are dying literally. Prices are killing off younger supporters whilst ones who can afford it are each season getting closer to their maker. So attracting younger supporters not really a worry imo |
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Post by jfrabbit on Nov 7, 2024 13:56:26 GMT
ok, so NOT having a pop at anyone, just playing Devil’s advocate (and I don’t want Marti sacked…..just yet, but we have to be careful) but if we do recruit a Gary Rowett type and he does steady the ship and wins a few matches isn’t that the idea? Putting the club in a better position has to help when planning the future. This idea of building a dynasty is for the birds - no one ever stays that long. If Marti turns us around and we start to shine other clubs will be in for him anyway. Look at Robins - 7 years of no ground, no money, selling good players and they can’t give him one poor start when he needs to rebuild again. Some dynasty.
Belk should go before him
And Nourry needs to be accountable for his summer recruitment decisions. Not sack him but he needs to be made accountable for them. Agree with this 90% The foundations at the club and the people put in positions of power is all wrong, but MC needs to take his share too. I'm pretty sure he would have had a big influence on who we signed as he's the manager they put faith in and we've heard nothing on the contrary. At the end of the day picking the right players is ultimately THE most important decisions at any club. Poor players and the whole deck of cards comes down. What we need to know is, did Belk find these players and think they're good enough, put them to the manager and MC trust that judgement or was MC, Belk, Nourry a joint enterprise in selecting these players because at the end of the day someone needs to take responsibility for the fucking shambles it's created. |
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Post by jfrabbit on Nov 7, 2024 13:58:06 GMT
No way should we be happy about going down. Awful league and no guarantee at all that we’d get out of it quickly. The last thing we need. We need to be attracting the next generation of supporters too. League One team or our neighbours? The way this club is run we won't be out of it anytime soon. Going down would be nothing short of a disaster. |
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Post by Rangers77 on Nov 7, 2024 14:18:12 GMT
If we haven't won by the end of November, Marti's out. It's that simple.
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Post by West Acton on Nov 7, 2024 15:12:11 GMT
ok, so NOT having a pop at anyone, just playing Devil’s advocate (and I don’t want Marti sacked…..just yet, but we have to be careful) but if we do recruit a Gary Rowett type and he does steady the ship and wins a few matches isn’t that the idea? Putting the club in a better position has to help when planning the future. This idea of building a dynasty is for the birds - no one ever stays that long. If Marti turns us around and we start to shine other clubs will be in for him anyway. Look at Robins - 7 years of no ground, no money, selling good players and they can’t give him one poor start when he needs to rebuild again. Some dynasty. The problem isn’t Marti imo Al, therefore sacking him isn’t the answer Belk should go before him And Nourry needs to be accountable for his summer recruitment decisions. Not sack him but he needs to be made accountable for them. could not agree more he’s got shit tools to work with. Yes we have injuries (all clubs do) but that’s where the squad comes in but unfortunately We have assembled a squad of players who are not up to it hence players playing out of position. Good first eleven shit squad. Whoever chose these players carry’s the can imo if that’s Marti then he deserves criticism but I believe it’s belk and Nourry who are in control of this. Belk been here ages and hardly covered himself in glory so he absolutely can be palmed off. I’m in the minority on board who has not really taken to Nourry still way more questions than answers regards him so I remain open minded (bit of Beale about him) This far I think hes done at best poor job and I’m not surprised given his age and experience what did we expect. |
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Nov 7, 2024 15:33:41 GMT
Am not sure injuries an excuse. All clubs have 'em. JCS and Chair the only two out for significant periods who we would have regarded as automatic starters at the start of the season. Madsen/ Varane would have been considered first choice over Coleback and Celar preferred over Frey. Others like Morrison etc peripheral. Paal only missed a few games.
Re Alan's point: we can't keep changing strategy every two minutes. That's what's left us in the shit. One manager comes in and layers his type of players on top of another lot of players. We don't have the budget for another rebuild anyway. As I've said previously, this is Nourry and (possible Marti's) shit show - make them own it. Is Gary Rowett going to teach Madsen how to tackle?
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Post by Corbray on Nov 7, 2024 15:39:02 GMT
The problem isn’t Marti imo Al, therefore sacking him isn’t the answer Belk should go before him And Nourry needs to be accountable for his summer recruitment decisions. Not sack him but he needs to be made accountable for them. could not agree more he’s got shit tools to work with. Yes we have injuries (all clubs do) but that’s where the squad comes in but unfortunately We have assembled a squad of players who are not up to it hence players playing out of position. Good first eleven shit squad. Whoever chose these players carry’s the can imo if that’s Marti then he deserves criticism but I believe it’s belk and Nourry who are in control of this. Belk been here ages and hardly covered himself in glory so he absolutely can be palmed off. I’m in the minority on board who has not really taken to Nourry still way more questions than answers regards him so I remain open minded (bit of Beale about him) This far I think hes done at best poor job and I’m not surprised given his age and experience what did we expect. agree on belk, even though i was initially very happy with our signings and the spending that came with it they have largely underwhelmed at best so far. nardi been good and varane has probably been the best of the lot so far with saito a close second. who has belk really brought in of note since he's been here? lots of half decent players but nothing that special really. by contrast when gary penrice was here he brought in luke freeman, BOS and matt smith. got good money for freeman, should have for BOS and smith was a good player for us. combined fees was less than a million. |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Nov 7, 2024 15:49:34 GMT
So we need a man with a village people tash at the helm
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Post by Stanley75 on Nov 7, 2024 17:09:09 GMT
The problem isn’t Marti imo Al, therefore sacking him isn’t the answer Belk should go before him And Nourry needs to be accountable for his summer recruitment decisions. Not sack him but he needs to be made accountable for them. Agree with this 90% The foundations at the club and the people put in positions of power is all wrong, but MC needs to take his share too. I'm pretty sure he would have had a big influence on who we signed as he's the manager they put faith in and we've heard nothing on the contrary. At the end of the day picking the right players is ultimately THE most important decisions at any club. Poor players and the whole deck of cards comes down. What we need to know is, did Belk find these players and think they're good enough, put them to the manager and MC trust that judgement or was MC, Belk, Nourry a joint enterprise in selecting these players because at the end of the day someone needs to take responsibility for the fucking shambles it's created. No argument there Jimmy. We don't fully know to what extent Marti is involved in the signings. My understanding is Marti tells them what positions need filling then Nourry and Belk find and scout the players. Then Marti gets final say on if he wants them. So yes, he's partly responsible, but I think to a lesser extent than the other two as Marti can only accept or reject what he's offered. Yes, perhaps he should have rejected more of them but that's where his inexperience of the division comes in; which then puts the responsibility back to Belk who has no excuses in that department. |
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Post by Bill on Nov 7, 2024 17:57:23 GMT
Reason for this mess.
Piss,poor,recruitment.
Even taking injuries into account.
Its a squad game and players signed are not good enough.
So for me blame lies squarely and firmly at Mr.Nourrys door.
To many if not all are unsuitable for this league as they dont cover the established,experienced players we have.
Its a major cockup by Nourry as it is my belief he chose these players.
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Post by Shania on Nov 7, 2024 18:08:51 GMT
ok, so NOT having a pop at anyone, just playing Devil’s advocate (and I don’t want Marti sacked…..just yet, but we have to be careful) but if we do recruit a Gary Rowett type and he does steady the ship and wins a few matches isn’t that the idea? Putting the club in a better position has to help when planning the future. This idea of building a dynasty is for the birds - no one ever stays that long. If Marti turns us around and we start to shine other clubs will be in for him anyway. Look at Robins - 7 years of no ground, no money, selling good players and they can’t give him one poor start when he needs to rebuild again. Some dynasty. The problem isn’t Marti imo Al, therefore sacking him isn’t the answer Belk should go before himAnd Nourry needs to be accountable for his summer recruitment decisions. Not sack him but he needs to be made accountable for them. I have said this for ages now, but I doubt it ever will happen. |
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Post by Ginger Ninja on Nov 8, 2024 9:35:32 GMT
Read an article suggesting there's tension between Cifuentes and Nourry because Marti had no input into who we brought in, they are all Nourry signings. Not sure how accurate that is to be honest.
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Post by 1qprdk on Nov 8, 2024 10:04:25 GMT
Read an article suggesting there's tension between Cifuentes and Nourry because Marti had no input into who we brought in, they are all Nourry signings. Not sure how accurate that is to be honest. If true then he'll be gone before Christmas. |
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Post by alanwycombe on Nov 8, 2024 11:33:00 GMT
Read an article suggesting there's tension between Cifuentes and Nourry because Marti had no input into who we brought in, they are all Nourry signings. Not sure how accurate that is to be honest. Might not be true, equally is believable given the daft way the game is these days. How can a rank amateur present any manager/coach with crap players then sack the manager if they are no good😁 |
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Post by Bill on Nov 8, 2024 11:35:31 GMT
Read an article suggesting there's tension between Cifuentes and Nourry because Marti had no input into who we brought in, they are all Nourry signings. Not sure how accurate that is to be honest. Would not surprise me at all. Would tie in with his Nourrys secret squirrel approach just nuts. |
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Post by Bill on Nov 8, 2024 11:37:12 GMT
Read an article suggesting there's tension between Cifuentes and Nourry because Marti had no input into who we brought in, they are all Nourry signings. Not sure how accurate that is to be honest. If true then he'll be gone before Christmas. Might be too late but could be part of Nourrys cunning plan. Club been on the brink for ages,do a Brum and gamble on coming back up. Trouble is think we would cock that up as well. |
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Post by alanwycombe on Nov 8, 2024 12:03:05 GMT
If true then he'll be gone before Christmas. Might be too late but could be part of Nourrys cunning plan. Club been on the brink for ages,do a Brum and gamble on coming back up. Trouble is think we would cock that up as well. Disaster. |
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Post by Rangers77 on Nov 8, 2024 13:12:42 GMT
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Post by boboqpr on Nov 8, 2024 14:59:36 GMT
I have read all the above. It is clear that many of the summer signings have Marti's stamp on them. Most are lightweight and not up to Championship football. No skill, spirit or gumption.
I dont think sacking Marti is the answer because I cant think of a replacement who would do better with this shit show
I am resigned to relegation but hoping to stay up.
If we do get relegated I doubt we would bounce back up.
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Post by Shania on Nov 8, 2024 17:19:25 GMT
We also have to question why we have so many injuries now that Ben Williams effectively has left his position as Director Of Fitness. Another issue I have is that our training camp in was a total failure. The teams we met were sub-standard.
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Nov 9, 2024 18:54:28 GMT
Perhaps we are a div 1 standards club. And been over achieving.
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