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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2019 12:54:44 GMT
This is going back to the summer of 2015. Will only include sales during this period for players signed by Les & hoos (for example I won't list the Austin sale) and also won't list loan players (despite there being many during this period that have most likely cost the club big money).
Luongo & Gladwin - combined fee of 3.5-4m / Gladwin shipped out on loan before being sold for undisclosed fee to Blackburn during 17/18 season/ Luongo sold to Sheffield Wednesday summer 2019 - fee listed as just shy of £1m
Washington - 2.97m / released during the 18/19 season.
Chery - 2.10m / sold during 16/17 season for 2.39m. Made a small profit on a player that did ok here.
Polter - 2.07m / sold during 16/17 season for 1.44m. Half a mill loss.
Smithies - 1.89m / sold for 3.60m at start of 18/19 season. Some would argue small profit on what was considered our best player at the time.
Perch - 1.26m / released at end of contract summer 2018.
Ingram - 477k / undisclosed sale summer 2019.
El khayati - 414k. Moved about on loan before release summer 2017.
JET - free / moved about on loan before release summer 2018.
Gobern - free / moved about on loan before release summer 2016.
Tozser - free/released
Mackie - free/released
Hall - free / initial promise but another that has spent a lot of time out injured./ Released summer 2020
Sylla - 2.70m / undisclosed fee for transfer during 18/19 season. A lot of money in our situation for little return.
Wszolek - 1.80m / honest performer but no return on a player released
Borysuik - 1.60 / shipped out on loan not long after signing before a mutual release during the 17/18 season.
Bidwell - 1.44m / see Wszolek
Cousins - 1.35m / came here with a bit of hype. Released.
Lynch - 1.31m / see Wszolek
Goss - 531k / has barely played for the club/Released
Smith - 522k / been value for money. Sold to Millwall - undisclosed fee
Freeman - 315k / Sold to Sheff Utd summer 2019 - fee listed as £5m
Dieng - free
N'Gbakoto - undisclosed / let go a year after signing for another undisclosed fee.
Wheeler - 486k / Released
Smyth - 144k / promising youngster. Should prove to be a very shrewd buy.
Scowen - free/Sold to Sunderland Jan 2020 - undisclosed fee
Baptiste - free / was decent backup/Released
BOS - undisclosed / promising youngster
Eze - free / sold for £16-20m with future clauses
Chair - Free
Leistner - free/ released summer 2020
Rangel - free/ released summer 2020
Kelly - £50k
Pugh - free/ Released
Cameron - Free
Barbet - free
Kane - free
Masterson - free
Ball - free
Wallace - free
Barnes - ?
Ramkilde - ?
Amos - £500k
Dykes - £2m
Thomas - free
There's a lot of money that has been p*ssed away there either on players that haven't performed or players we've let go at end of deals despite having decent money spent on them.
Funnily enough it looks better the last couple of years (from the Matt Smith signing onwards) with cheaper fees or freebies despite the odd dud chucked in.
Les & hoos (although not sure how much input he has on the playing side of things) are responsible for these deals so do we have the right people making the calls here?
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Post by West Acton on Jun 28, 2019 12:58:40 GMT
Now this is a good thread and worthy of debate. Dealing with facts instead of les said this and that and opinion
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Post by Tarbie on Jun 28, 2019 12:59:11 GMT
Not great reading, is it?
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Post by Stanley75 on Jun 28, 2019 13:04:27 GMT
Now this is a good thread and worthy of debate. Dealing with facts instead of les said this and that and opinion No argument there Westy and never has been as far as I'm concerned. The other stuff you can argue the toss of all day long but ultimately just comes down to opinions. |
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Post by James1979 on Jun 28, 2019 13:31:39 GMT
Good thread this. I didn’t realise it was quite as bad as that. It is amazing that they both seem to escape any criticism from certain fans and message boards. It seems that anything that supposedly looks good is down to Les and/or Hoos but if it’s gone wrong it’s either Uncle Tony or manager like McLaren or JFH.
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Post by West Acton on Jun 28, 2019 16:09:47 GMT
Not sure all figures are correct but it does highlight the turnover of players into the club.
Now I get why that was as we needed to shell higher earners and replace them but could we have been smarter with who came in??
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Post by croydoncaptainjack on Jun 28, 2019 16:42:39 GMT
Not great reading, is it? Well we know you're not a fan Tarbs! |
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Post by croydoncaptainjack on Jun 28, 2019 16:43:41 GMT
Good thread this. I didn’t realise it was quite as bad as that. It is amazing that they both seem to escape any criticism from certain fans and message boards. It seems that anything that supposedly looks good is down to Les and/or Hoos but if it’s gone wrong it’s either Uncle Tony or manager like McLaren or JFH. Are you serious? Les gets loads of stick. Especially on Twitter. |
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Post by West Acton on Jun 28, 2019 16:50:42 GMT
Good thread this. I didn’t realise it was quite as bad as that. It is amazing that they both seem to escape any criticism from certain fans and message boards. It seems that anything that supposedly looks good is down to Les and/or Hoos but if it’s gone wrong it’s either Uncle Tony or manager like McLaren or JFH. Are you serious? Les gets loads of stick. Especially on Twitter. As you say he gets tons of stick on social media. Would say only TF gets dug out more then him. |
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Post by James1979 on Jun 28, 2019 18:18:16 GMT
Good thread this. I didn’t realise it was quite as bad as that. It is amazing that they both seem to escape any criticism from certain fans and message boards. It seems that anything that supposedly looks good is down to Les and/or Hoos but if it’s gone wrong it’s either Uncle Tony or manager like McLaren or JFH. Are you serious? Les gets loads of stick. Especially on Twitter. To be honest, not talking about twitter. Full of odd balls. But at ground and on message boards, I think he gets little stick. In fact, if people moan they get criticised. |
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Post by hertshoops on Jun 28, 2019 18:53:21 GMT
But surely those at the ground are mostly in touch with reality - as opposed to the Twatterati ?
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Post by Tarbie on Jun 28, 2019 20:53:26 GMT
Not great reading, is it? Well we know you're not a fan Tarbs! Don't particularly dislike Les mate. Loved him as a player. Also met him a few times and he's a thoroughly nice bloke. He just doesn't do anything to justify his job title. Glorified club ambassador at best. |
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Post by esoxlucius on Jun 29, 2019 8:46:46 GMT
What's the nett on those incoming/ outgoing sales? That would be a good yardstick. Throwing a criticism at bad buy and a snarky comment about a profit shows a lot of bias in the OP.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2019 9:22:56 GMT
What's the nett on those incoming/ outgoing sales? That would be a good yardstick. Throwing a criticism at bad buy and a snarky comment about a profit shows a lot of bias in the OP. Of the 22 players that we've paid fees for: Outgoing - 27.35m / 7 still at club / includes 2 undisclosed Incoming - 7.43m / 4 undisclosed / 8 released either through end of contract or mutual termination 👍 |
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Post by Tarbie on Jun 29, 2019 10:32:51 GMT
Something not mentioned on this thread which is also worth considering are sell-on clauses when we let young players move on. Whilst this was before Les' time, the sell on from Raheem Sterling made us nearly 10m quid!
What other players have we moved on in recent years with sell-on's, and can we see them making us any money?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2019 10:41:58 GMT
Something not mentioned on this thread which is also worth considering are sell-on clauses when we let young players move on. Whilst this was before Les'time, the sell on from Raheem Sterling made us nearly 10m quid! What other players have we moved on in recent years with sell-on's, and can we see them making us any money? That young lad that moved to Everton is the only one that springs to mind. |
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Post by davieqpr on Jun 29, 2019 10:49:33 GMT
Hoos does not really deal with transfers only the financial side of the business. Also how many of the incoming did Ferdinand actually want and how many was he overruled on because the current Manager wanted them( in particular JFH). Sounds like the old 'I'm bored and haven't had a dig at Ferdinand for a couple of days' syndrome.
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Post by Brian Wilson on Jun 29, 2019 12:39:38 GMT
I reckon maybe a D grade for Les overall.
Hoos just does the deals he is asked too. Hard for him to say...no, I think Jordan Cousins will be shit when all the football people are telling him different. On the other hand, does Les get some credit for us finally bringing through some young players to the 1st team after so many years? Some youth, some brought into u23s for low fees. Lumley Furlong (before his time?) Eze Chair Smyth Manning Kakay Oteh Walker? Owens? Bowler and Kpekewa sold for fees
Ollie is probably the man to credit for signing Luke Freeman. Think it was his connection with Gary Penrice.
Thought Chery fee was reported as 4 mil and Polter 3 mil...guess not.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2019 22:17:23 GMT
I reckon maybe a D grade for Les overall.
Hoos just does the deals he is asked too. Hard for him to say...no, I think Jordan Cousins will be shit when all the football people are telling him different. On the other hand, does Les get some credit for us finally bringing through some young players to the 1st team after so many years? Some youth, some brought into u23s for low fees. Lumley Furlong (before his time?) Eze Chair Smyth Manning Kakay Oteh Walker? Owens? Bowler and Kpekewa sold for fees
Ollie is probably the man to credit for signing Luke Freeman. Think it was his connection with Gary Penrice.
Thought Chery fee was reported as 4 mil and Polter 3 mil...guess not.
Eze, Chair and Smyth definitely brought in under the Les regime. Not sure on the others youngsters apart from Furlong who was definitely with us before Les came in. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2019 4:40:08 GMT
Sterling was sold to Liverpool during the Flav and Bernie regime so Ferdinand has nothing to do with us getting the 10 million sell on fee.
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Post by Stanley75 on Jul 6, 2019 8:49:37 GMT
Might be a topic for a separate thread....Transfer dealings aside - Would people say our scouting has improved since Les came in? i.e. our overall flop/success ratio.
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Post by Corbray on Jul 6, 2019 14:02:52 GMT
Might be a topic for a separate thread....Transfer dealings aside - Would people say our scouting has improved since Les came in? i.e. our overall flop/success ratio. in regards to youth most certainly, that's something that les (alongside CR) deserves full credit for. we might not have been bringing many players through our academy from a young age (but i think that will be the case within 10 years) but we've been fantastic at finding diamonds in the rough released by other clubs like lumley, eze and ilias chair. transfers though ... maybe not so much. freeman and smith were both penrice and by extension ollie signings. i guess you could say that pavel, leistner, luongo and even chery who've all gone on to have varying degrees of success with us are les' signings. he's also overseen a few bad ones though which we've actually had to fork out money for and lost on near enough a free. his signings as DOF have been mixed imo |
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Post by Stanley75 on Jul 6, 2019 14:38:54 GMT
Good post Corbs, and I agree. If it gets enough traction I'll split it into its own thread as it's a different subject really.
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Post by esoxlucius on Jul 6, 2019 17:29:02 GMT
Might be a topic for a separate thread....Transfer dealings aside - Would people say our scouting has improved since Les came in? i.e. our overall flop/success ratio. in regards to youth most certainly, that's something that les (alongside CR) deserves full credit for. we might not have been bringing many players through our academy from a young age (but i think that will be the case within 10 years) but we've been fantastic at finding diamonds in the rough released by other clubs like lumley, eze and ilias chair. transfers though ... maybe not so much. freeman and smith were both penrice and by extension ollie signings. i guess you could say that pavel, leistner, luongo and even chery who've all gone on to have varying degrees of success with us are les' signings. he's also overseen a few bad ones though which we've actually had to fork out money for and lost on near enough a free. his signings as DOF have been mixed imo Lumley is mostly one of ours, he was let go from Spurs at the age of 14. Furlong is the other that has broken through into the first team from a youth career with us, he joined at 11. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2020 10:54:00 GMT
I'll try to update this in the next few days.
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Post by croydoncaptainjack on Feb 5, 2020 11:22:07 GMT
What won't be on there will be the uncrystallised profits on Eze, BOS and Chair. These are significant.
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Post by shepherdsmush on Feb 5, 2020 11:22:53 GMT
Didn't we sell Alex McCarthy in the summer of 2015 for about £4m ?
What is the net spend over the last 5 years ?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2020 11:25:28 GMT
Didn't we sell Alex McCarthy in the summer of 2015 for about £4m ? What is the net spend over the last 5 years ? McCarthy not brought in under the current regime I'll need to do some calculations once updated but there's a reply to esox that gives net spend under current regime before the Luongo and Freeman sales (and any incomings) last summer |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2020 11:28:15 GMT
What won't be on there will be the uncrystallised profits on Eze, BOS and Chair. These are significant. I think bos was the only one we paid a fee for - rumoured to be around the 1 mil mark. Should be looking at £40m for the three at a minimum when it comes to selling,if they keep on improving. |
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Post by shepherdsmush on Feb 5, 2020 11:30:02 GMT
McCarthy not brought in under the current regime Ah, must have joined the season before LF started then yeah ? |
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