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Post by Tarbie on Jul 11, 2019 6:30:48 GMT
Just seen the latest cringe worthy content coming out of the US following the Womens World Cup. www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-48931813/world-cup-parade-megan-rapinoe-demands-equal-pay-for-badass-teamPutting her awful dancing and dodgy sunglasses to one side for a minute, I want to talk about the equal pay argument she is making. I'm a bit out of touch with general opinion on all this having lived outside the Western world for nearly 12 years now. What is everyone's opinion on here, is there any justification for the equal pay argument? |
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Post by esoxlucius on Jul 11, 2019 6:48:15 GMT
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Post by Corbray on Jul 11, 2019 7:38:49 GMT
people misconstrue the whole gender paygap for sure tarbs. what law is there saying that a man should be paid x amount and a woman x amount? there isn't any law in the slightest. the gender pay gap is a complete myth. one of the things people always bring up is that on average men earn more than women and there's a very clear reason as to why and thats coz women tend to stay at home to be a homemaker raising their kids which hinders their career. most people spend their early 20s - mid 30s learning, focusing on their career and gaining experience in their field. but thats also the prime age that people have kids too.
how many people on this forum for example have a missus who stay or stayed at home to be there for the kids? there's nothing stopping women from going to work whilst the husband stays home but typically women want to be a housewife.
megan rapinoe is an idiot. its fairly obvious why they're not paid the same and thats coz the general interest and revenue in women's football isn't the same as mens. its the same reason why some teams have huge budgets and others in lower league's don't.
plus, whos gunna pay these women 100k a week? it'd ruin the clubs they play for too, where are they gunna get the money from? if people truly want them to be paid the same as men footballers then start stumping up the money for it lol.
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Post by esoxlucius on Jul 11, 2019 7:46:19 GMT
I think your watch has stopped... in the 1930's. Wow!
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Post by Tarbie on Jul 11, 2019 8:02:39 GMT
Yeah, agree with a lot of that Corbs.
Revenues in football are dictated by TV revenues, sponsorship, match day revenues and merchandising. It's for these reasons that a top player at Man Utd is going to get paid a hell of a lot more than a top player at Burnley, Fulham, Palace etc. I don't really understand how there can be an argument for equal pay in the women's game when they are literally a million miles behind the men's game in all 4 areas. In fact I suspect if you crunch the numbers you'd struggle to justify there being a professional women's game at all, let alone one where the salaries are the same as the men's game.
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Post by Joe90 on Jul 11, 2019 8:08:01 GMT
There isn't equal pay in the men's game.
The gender pay gap is different to equal pay, and the gender pay gap isn't myth.
Equal pay is already legislated for in law. Gender pay just looks at the overall difference in earnings between men and women within an organisation. For example, if a women owned a cleaning company that for whatever reason only employed men, and those men where on NLW and the female owner paid herself a very generous salary the gender pay gap for her company would be in favor of the female employees.
The problem with the gender pay gap is how the data is interpreted, you have to look at the industry and particular job role and then look at why women and men favour certain jobs. There's also numerous cultural, class and race issues that impact the difference in earnings. The problem with gender pay reporting is that it gives you very superficial data, only organisations with 250+ employees have to report, but nobody is forced to address the findings.
The gender pay gap is not a concern for all women and because of this it's difficult to judge if the gender pay gap is an issue at all.
Regarding equal pay in football, please pass me my tiny violin. Already these 'sports' stars are paid far more money than they're worth, it's crass and ignorant to try and tack on some social justice cause to this when there's serious deep rooted societal inequality that needs dealing with, and footballers pay isn't one of them!!
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Post by Tarbie on Jul 11, 2019 8:22:44 GMT
Interesting article that mate. I suppose I'm judging the women's game by what I know if it in the UK. Clearly it's a far bigger deal in the US. Makes sense I suppose, most American I know consider "soccer" to be a woman's sport!  |
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Post by shepherdsmush on Jul 11, 2019 8:33:49 GMT
Don't know what she is on about, she's bound to be earning more than most men of the same standard as her in League 1....  |
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Post by Tarbie on Jul 11, 2019 8:37:13 GMT
Don't know what she is on about, she's bound to be earning more than most men of the same standard as her in League 1.... Not even league 1 standard is it though mate? I read somewhere that both Australia and the US women's teams got absolutely thumped by U16/U17's sides in the build up to the World Cup. |
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Post by Rangers77 on Jul 11, 2019 8:45:16 GMT
Facking horrible woman......
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Post by davieqpr on Jul 11, 2019 10:13:55 GMT
To put things in perspective. More viewers watched the Mens World Cup final than the entire 3 weeks of The Womens Final. The men received 8% of the profit made while the women received 13%. To be paid equally the woman should get less money. It was 5-2 that the US team lost to a team of U15 schoolboys. Just fits the current Media agenda to over promote women into sport,mainly off the back of the men,instead of letting it evolve naturally. I find it particularly annoying to find every Mans sport must have a female commentator regardless of them being any good. Whereas the Womens football had the four Spice girls.
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Post by Corbray on Jul 11, 2019 10:41:26 GMT
Don't know what she is on about, she's bound to be earning more than most men of the same standard as her in League 1.... Not even league 1 standard is it though mate? I read somewhere that both Australia and the US women's teams got absolutely thumped by U16/U17's sides in the build up to the World Cup. not even good sides either, it was FC dallas' or somethings U15's who beat them. i saw some people making excuses for the women's team losing to them by saying its coz the U15's are younger and fitter lol. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2019 10:50:58 GMT
Facking horrible woman...... Whys that mate? |
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Post by Tarbie on Jul 11, 2019 10:54:58 GMT
Actually winds me up a bit Corbs. I saw something on BBC Sport's Facebook page the other day. The quote was something like "28.1m viewers tuned into the Women's World Cup. That 47% of the population!"
Yeah, fair enough, 28 million is about half the population. But the there were 50 matches in the World Cup and the figure quoted was the total audience over the whole tournament. In reality an absolutely tiny percentage of the British public tuned in, despite England doing well and the media ramming the tournament down our throats at every opportunity and through every medium.
Anyone with a basic understanding of maths can see through that poor attempt of trying to make the tournament look like it was a commercial success. Sad to see the BBC resorting to such nonsense in order to try an push an agenda!
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Post by esoxlucius on Jul 11, 2019 10:59:27 GMT
Actually winds me up a bit Corbs. I saw something on BBC Sport's Facebook page the other day. The quote was something like "28.1m viewers tuned into the Women's World Cup. That 47% of the population!" Yeah, fair enough, 28 million is about half the population. But the there were 50 matches in the World Cup and the figure quoted was the total audience over the whole tournament. In reality an absolutely tiny percentage of the British public tuned in, despite England doing well and the media ramming the tournament down our throats at every opportunity and through every medium. Anyone with a basic understanding of maths can see through that poor attempt of trying to make the tournament look like it was a commercial success. Sad to see the BBC resorting to such nonsense in order to try an push an agenda! A bit like focusing on anti semitism within the Labour party and completely ignoring any insight into the racism, elitism, misogyny w.h.y. in the Conservative party. Tell me that that isn't agenda driven. |
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Post by Tarbie on Jul 11, 2019 11:10:56 GMT
Actually winds me up a bit Corbs. I saw something on BBC Sport's Facebook page the other day. The quote was something like "28.1m viewers tuned into the Women's World Cup. That 47% of the population!" Yeah, fair enough, 28 million is about half the population. But the there were 50 matches in the World Cup and the figure quoted was the total audience over the whole tournament. In reality an absolutely tiny percentage of the British public tuned in, despite England doing well and the media ramming the tournament down our throats at every opportunity and through every medium. Anyone with a basic understanding of maths can see through that poor attempt of trying to make the tournament look like it was a commercial success. Sad to see the BBC resorting to such nonsense in order to try an push an agenda! A bit like focusing on anti semitism within the Labour party and completely ignoring any insight into the racism, elitism, misogyny w.h.y. in the Conservative party. Tell me that that isn't agenda driven. Dunno why you're coming at me from that angle mate. I hate the Tory party. Total boys club designed to protect the interests of the ultra elite and nobody else. Just cos I can't stand political correctness, don't assume I'm some hardcore right winger! |
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Post by johnnykc on Jul 11, 2019 11:20:21 GMT
Actually winds me up a bit Corbs. I saw something on BBC Sport's Facebook page the other day. The quote was something like "28.1m viewers tuned into the Women's World Cup. That 47% of the population!" Yeah, fair enough, 28 million is about half the population. But the there were 50 matches in the World Cup and the figure quoted was the total audience over the whole tournament. In reality an absolutely tiny percentage of the British public tuned in, despite England doing well and the media ramming the tournament down our throats at every opportunity and through every medium. Anyone with a basic understanding of maths can see through that poor attempt of trying to make the tournament look like it was a commercial success. Sad to see the BBC resorting to such nonsense in order to try an push an agenda! I don't think Rapinoe is looking at this on a global scale but highlighting the massive difference in salary cap between the mens game and the womens game in the states..... and to be fair to her, she has a valid point. The USA womens team is a hugely successful enterprise and the womens league is gaining in strength year on year in terms of attendance and exposure whereas the mens league seem to rely on purchasing one ageing superstar for a final bumper payday and is somewhat stagnating. The simple fact is that any extra money pumped into the womens game will come from massive corporates like nike, coca cola etc who will only invest if it increases their brand awareness and in that respect the purple haired, openly gay and outspoken Rapinoe is doing her job perfectly.... |
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Post by Tarbie on Jul 11, 2019 11:55:22 GMT
Yeah, fair enough Jonny.
Clearly the US market has a bit more appetite for the ladies game than the majority of the rest of the world. Hadn't fully appreciated that when I started this thread.
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Post by jfrabbit on Jul 11, 2019 15:17:13 GMT
She's one annoying attention seeking f*cker that one.
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Post by lymehoop on Jul 11, 2019 15:19:25 GMT
Yeovil ladies folded because the mens side didn't want to finance them. If they were paid by the attendance money they'd be lucky to get enough for their bus fares home
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Post by West Acton on Jul 11, 2019 16:09:49 GMT
I don’t disagree with equal pay but that needs to be an equivalent of what the ladies game earns/worth. Players only get 100k in men’s game because of the size of money generated.
So if say 20k in woman’s game, given what league generates as an example, is same as 100k in men’s game then fair enough. But you can’t just pay 100k+ simply because Man gets it when the woman’s league don’t generate those amounts
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Post by esoxlucius on Jul 11, 2019 16:48:08 GMT
A bit like focusing on anti semitism within the Labour party and completely ignoring any insight into the racism, elitism, misogyny w.h.y. in the Conservative party. Tell me that that isn't agenda driven. Dunno why you're coming at me from that angle mate. I hate the Tory party. Total boys club designed to protect the interests of the ultra elite and nobody else. Just cos I can't stand political correctness, don't assume I'm some hardcore right winger! Sorry Tarbs, I wasn't coming at you. I was highlighting the BBC agenda, I had no idea what your political leanings are. I wasn't a member on the WATRB board so I don't know hardly anyone on here and only Hubble in real life a couple of times. |
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Post by Tarbie on Jul 11, 2019 16:53:43 GMT
Dunno why you're coming at me from that angle mate. I hate the Tory party. Total boys club designed to protect the interests of the ultra elite and nobody else. Just cos I can't stand political correctness, don't assume I'm some hardcore right winger! Sorry Tarbs, I wasn't coming at you. I highlighting the BBC agenda, I had no idea what your political leanings are. I wasn't a member on the WATRB board so I don't know hardly anyone on here and only Hubble in real life a couple of times. Fair enough mate, sorry if my response came across a bit agro. Out of interest, how did you end up here if not from WATRB's? |
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Post by esoxlucius on Jul 11, 2019 17:01:43 GMT
Hubble mentioned it on LFW.
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Post by Shania on Jul 11, 2019 17:14:59 GMT
Megan Rapinoe is not a very likeable person in my opinion. Of course, she is very, very good at what she is doing, but I`m not sure she is doing the LBGT community or women`s football a favour on the whole. Her style is too cocky for my liking.
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Post by Rangers77 on Jul 11, 2019 17:27:04 GMT
Facking horrible woman...... Whys that mate? Full of herself. It's a team sport. Yuck. |
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Post by Tarbie on Jul 11, 2019 18:01:49 GMT
Full of herself. It's a team sport. Yuck. Proper bell end. Can you imagine David Beckham, Eoin Morgan, or any other proper captain for that matter playing up like that? |
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Post by DiscoDroid on Jul 12, 2019 15:20:40 GMT
Never heard of her until i read this thread. She has achieved something in life that many of us will not by the sweat and toil of her brow. I couldn't give a jolly green giant sweetcorn kernal loged in a mongrel dog shitted motile turd on the blood splattered dr white jam wrag asphalt concrete pavement for her political leanings one way or the other.
However, if we start getting infested on this forum portal with the loft for words Corbyn praetorian guard subverting and mutating this thread to excuse anti semitism on their subjugated bended knee as they do on that jew baiting site, then as a jewish man , i will piss on them royally from a very great height.
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Post by Corbray on Jul 12, 2019 18:10:42 GMT
Never heard of her until i read this thread. She has achieved something in life that many of us will not by the sweat and toil of her brow. I couldn't give a jolly green giant sweetcorn kernal loged in a mongrel dog shitted motile turd on the blood splattered dr white jam wrag asphalt concrete pavement for her political leanings one way or the other. However, if we start getting infested on this forum portal with the loft for words Corbyn praetorian guard subverting and mutating this thread to excuse anti semitism on their subjugated bended knee as they do on that jew baiting site, then as a jewish man , i will piss on them royally from a very great height. i think most people here are center right in their leanings. if you have any grievences with anything then take it up with hubble, he lives in canada so he'd be more than happy to apologise for any offence even if its not his fault |
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Post by DiscoDroid on Jul 12, 2019 18:14:17 GMT
Never heard of her until i read this thread. She has achieved something in life that many of us will not by the sweat and toil of her brow. I couldn't give a jolly green giant sweetcorn kernal loged in a mongrel dog shitted motile turd on the blood splattered dr white jam wrag asphalt concrete pavement for her political leanings one way or the other. However, if we start getting infested on this forum portal with the loft for words Corbyn praetorian guard subverting and mutating this thread to excuse anti semitism on their subjugated bended knee as they do on that jew baiting site, then as a jewish man , i will piss on them royally from a very great height. i think most people here are center right in their leanings. if you have any grievences with anything then take it up with hubble, he lives in canada so he'd be more than happy to apologise for any offence even if its not his fault I've fuck all problem with hubbs. I like the bloke. |
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