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Aug 12, 2019 10:06:32 GMT
Post by hubble on Aug 12, 2019 10:06:32 GMT
Can't stand it. I agree with what Nuno Espirito Santo said yesterday that it's not in the spirit of football, celebrating a great goal and then having to wait 2 minutes to discover it's not actually a goal because someone is offside by the hair, or in Wolves' case, the ball has purely by chance brushed a striker's arm in the build up to the goal. Okay, I know in that instance it's the ridiculous rule change they've made (another thing that's bugging me!), but VAR only reinforces that stupidity.
All I can say is thank gawd we're in the Championship at the moment, without this nonsense. I really hope they don't introduce it any time soon in the lower leagues. And if we do ever go up again, I hope they've sorted it out by then, because it's ruining football matches - the WHU v City game was a farce.
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Aug 12, 2019 10:14:51 GMT
Post by Tarbie on Aug 12, 2019 10:14:51 GMT
Don't know what to make of it myself mate.
For years people within the game and a lot of fans (myself included) have been saying that we need to embrace technology better with football. I mean how many times in the past have we seen a clear goal not given because the ref and lino have been to far behind play to see if the ball had crossed the line?
VAR solves those sort of disputes pretty effectively. If used correctly it could also be used to significantly reduce gamesmanship, diving etc. which would be hugely positive for the game. But now we are seeing VAR in action we are realising that there are some negatives that are pretty much unavoidable. The biggest one being the one that the Wolves manager highlighted, and that is when can you actually celebrate a goal? Are we going to need to hold back our celebrations moving forward until after VAR has been consulted?
To be honest, you have the same kind of gaps in play within rugby, cricket, tennis etc. where they have been using video replays for years. I suppose the difference in football is that often 1 goal will decide a game. Whereas other sports where video technology has been used have far more points scoring situations, and matches are not typically decided on just 1 event like is often the case in football.
I genuinely don't know what the answer is!
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Aug 12, 2019 10:26:21 GMT
Post by croydoncaptainjack on Aug 12, 2019 10:26:21 GMT
Its a difficult one. Overall, it should be a good thing but I fear it is being overused now. I thought it was meant to be used for Clear and obvious errors which would be fine but when I saw Man Citys goal being disallowed for what must have been a gnats testes gap I thought it was ridiculous. If it is that close then surely give that attacking team the benefit of the doubt and go with the original call.
I did like the fact that it was used to stoop a keeper coming off his line on a penalty though and can also be used for encroachment. How ridiculous was that last season when Nakkis last minute penalty missed had about four players practically level with him when he took it.
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Aug 12, 2019 10:29:02 GMT
Post by Tarbie on Aug 12, 2019 10:29:02 GMT
Its a difficult one. Overall, it should be a good thing but I fear it is being overused now. I thought it was meant to be used for Clear and obvious errors which would be fine but when I saw Man Citys goal being disallowed for what must have been a gnats testes gap I thought it was ridiculous. If it is that close then surely give that attacking team the benefit of the doubt and go with the original call.I did like the fact that it was used to stoop a keeper coming off his line on a penalty though and can also be used for encroachment. How ridiculous was that last season when Nakkis last minute penalty missed had about four players practically level with him when he took it. I said exactly the same when that incident came up on match of the day. Trying to rule a goal out cos the strikers thumb or toe nail is offside? When it's borderline like that you need to give the benefit of the doubt to the attacking side.
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Aug 12, 2019 10:48:29 GMT
Post by shepherdsmush on Aug 12, 2019 10:48:29 GMT
It's a load of bollocks, get rid
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Aug 12, 2019 10:50:45 GMT
Post by Tarbie on Aug 12, 2019 10:50:45 GMT
It's a load of bollocks, get rid I dunno if we can give up on it that easy when so many people have been campaigning for it for the last decade. In my opinion, we need to give the powers that be enough time to iron out the teething problems rather than just writing it off after a few games.
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Aug 12, 2019 10:57:00 GMT
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Post by alanwycombe on Aug 12, 2019 10:57:00 GMT
Handball is now handball, end of. Well is it or not? Why didn't Watford get a penalty when Glen Murray handled in the wall? Not intentional and didn't deserve one but that isn't supposed to be the rule now is it? There's a clear and ob ious error that VAR didn't pick up. Will be pointless if it's there to avoid inconsistencies and it is inconsistent!
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Aug 12, 2019 11:05:40 GMT
Post by johnnykc on Aug 12, 2019 11:05:40 GMT
I think the actual concept of VAR would be a good thing for football but unfortunately under this current version the referees are now taking absolutely no responsibilty for any decisions...... its far to easy for the ref to pass the decision to VAR and consequently fuck up the rhythm of the game. I hate it.
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Post by Corbray on Aug 12, 2019 11:58:31 GMT
think its more good than bad. how many dives have we seen win a penalty, or offside players scoring? too many to count! sure it'll have its hiccups and i've not seen wolves VAR incident but VAR is the future of football
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Aug 12, 2019 12:28:25 GMT
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Post by Hitman34 on Aug 12, 2019 12:28:25 GMT
If we had it on Saturday, we would have won. The bloke that won the pen was a yard offside
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Aug 12, 2019 12:44:24 GMT
Post by esoxlucius on Aug 12, 2019 12:44:24 GMT
VAR wasn't to blame for the goal being scrubbed off, the new Laws of the Game are to blame for that. There are some fucking ridiculous laws enacted to solve either problems that didn't exist or they actually solve the problem they were trying to eradicate.
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Aug 12, 2019 12:56:10 GMT
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Post by shepherdsmush on Aug 12, 2019 12:56:10 GMT
If we had it on Saturday, we would have won. The bloke that won the pen was a yard offside They probably would have given them a penalty for Hall's challenge in the first few minutes knowing our luck
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Aug 12, 2019 13:20:31 GMT
Post by 1qprdk on Aug 12, 2019 13:20:31 GMT
If we had it on Saturday, we would have won. The bloke that won the pen was a yard offside Watched the replays last night, and yes he did look to be off, but maybe not by a whole yard, half a foot more like
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Post by Tarbie on Aug 17, 2019 21:46:20 GMT
Just watching Match of the Day. What a bullshit decision against City that was!
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Aug 17, 2019 21:48:56 GMT
Post by acricketer on Aug 17, 2019 21:48:56 GMT
I'd have taken it if it was against us. Just has to be consistent which is the hard part.
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Post by West Acton on Aug 18, 2019 6:04:40 GMT
Need to review rules of game to ensure they fit with or keep up with VAR. from what I’m hearing on city goal VAR done it’s job perfectly it’s the rule that let city down
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Aug 18, 2019 6:05:47 GMT
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Post by West Acton on Aug 18, 2019 6:05:47 GMT
Need to review rules of game to ensure they fit with or keep up with VAR. from what I’m hearing on city goal VAR done it’s job perfectly it’s the rule that let city down
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Post by alanwycombe on Aug 18, 2019 7:56:05 GMT
City no goal decision was ridiculous. Like Shearer said, if it had brushed the defender's arm it wouldn't have been a penalty - that sums up how stupid the rule change is.
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Aug 18, 2019 8:23:39 GMT
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Post by Tarbie on Aug 18, 2019 8:23:39 GMT
The thing that wound me up about it Alan is literally nobody on the field appealed for it. Why is VAR looking for minor infringements that absolutely nobody saw in the first instance?
Also a full 2 minutes went by before anyone knew what was happening? Its gonna ruin the game if we keep having scenarios where people are celebrating a match winning goal, only to find out it's not gonna stand!
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Aug 18, 2019 8:30:21 GMT
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Post by West Acton on Aug 18, 2019 8:30:21 GMT
Cause every goal is checked Tarbs whether ref asks or not. As said VAR not the problem here the rules are
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Aug 18, 2019 8:39:13 GMT
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Post by hubble on Aug 18, 2019 8:39:13 GMT
Yes, the rules, in this instance, are absurd and should be changed. VAR in and of itself is neither good or bad, it's how it's used, and the rules that it is used to adjudge that are the issues. Personally I think it's gone way too far already, in terms of its intrusiveness. I think goal-line technology is successful because it's fast and it's a very simple yes or no. Obviously this is the season where VAR cuts its teeth in the Premiership and I imagine there will be changes, both to the rules and its use next season
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Aug 18, 2019 8:47:20 GMT
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Post by West Acton on Aug 18, 2019 8:47:20 GMT
Cricket have cracked use of assistive technology we should be looking at them
If were using VAR then they need review all the laws so it works In Harmony plus and this is one of biggest things they need educate fans on its use, as part of problem is fans having no idea what’s going on hence why people think VAR got in wrong yesterday when actually it worked 100% correctly based on how they have chosen to deploy it.
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Aug 18, 2019 8:49:39 GMT
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Post by alanwycombe on Aug 18, 2019 8:49:39 GMT
Offside - if any part of you is in line then not offside. Marginal advantage to attacker.... Good for the game. Handball - accidental or arm in natural position, not an offence. Move the ball with hand or spread yourself like a keeper when tackling then offence. Not rocket science and no need to tinker every year. VAR for reds instead of retro action also good for game.
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Aug 18, 2019 8:51:59 GMT
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Post by Tarbie on Aug 18, 2019 8:51:59 GMT
Fair enough Westy. I didn't realise every goal was checked like that.
Way too fussy for me looking for little infringements like that. There needs to be a bit more common sense in how VAR is utilised. As Hubble says, it's way too intrusive in how it's currently applied.
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Aug 18, 2019 9:05:49 GMT
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Post by West Acton on Aug 18, 2019 9:05:49 GMT
Seems to have worked better in World Cup few years back then in prem
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Post by croydoncaptainjack on Aug 18, 2019 9:17:08 GMT
It's the clear and obvious error bit I don't get. If you're looking at something ten times it wasn't an obvious error. I think they should go with the refs original decision then a bit like cricket.
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Aug 18, 2019 11:24:09 GMT
Post by BrightonR on Aug 18, 2019 11:24:09 GMT
Glad it doesn’t affect games in the “Proper Leagues”. 😂
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Aug 18, 2019 13:38:20 GMT
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Post by alanwycombe on Aug 18, 2019 13:38:20 GMT
Give it time. It will.
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Aug 19, 2019 9:49:18 GMT
Post by shepherdsmush on Aug 19, 2019 9:49:18 GMT
Certainly will help bring back the old chant of "You thought you had scored, you were wrong, you were wrong"
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Post by johnnykc on Aug 19, 2019 9:58:07 GMT
It's the clear and obvious error bit I don't get. If you're looking at something ten times it wasn't an obvious error. I think they should go with the refs original decision then a bit like cricket. That's one of the biggest problems with how VAR is being used.......referees now bottle every decision and pass the buck to VAR. It is ruining a game of football and we all know that it is only a matter of time before it seeps down the leagues.....
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