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Post by alanwycombe on Aug 22, 2019 9:38:21 GMT
I'm not really sure you see the point of a fans discussion board esox. Blind acceptance is very boring. We have controlled large chunks of two games on the trot with nothing to show for it. Worthy of comment positive and negative.
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Post by Stanley75 on Aug 22, 2019 10:42:56 GMT
Esox, I suspect you'll have your work cut out if you plan to challenge virtually every single critique of players, manager, system etc on a football fans messageboard, when that's one of its main raison d'êtres.
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Post by shepherdsmush on Aug 22, 2019 10:48:43 GMT
Bit harsh to pin the first goal last night on the corner being over hit.
There was plenty tactically that could have been done to not give Swansea an opportunity to plough through the middle unchallenged.
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Post by BrightonR on Aug 22, 2019 11:38:30 GMT
serious question and I don’t think this will happen but would you happily watch us go down as long as you were entertained during the process? Not happily no, but I honestly believe if we carry on as we are we will lose a lot of games but we won't get relegated. I still think 15th -16th is a realistic expectation for this team. Swansea are currently second and play fast attractive football. We will run into a lot more who won't and that is where we will pick up points. I have seen us get relegated many time since I began watching in the 66-67 season and this team doesn't feel like one of those teams but if we end up in League 1 I am certainly not going to cancel my season ticket. We used to sing a song a few years ago "Whatever the season, we'll follow our team..." that still applies to me, and will until I become too infirm to cope with all the travelling to games. 15th - 16th is quite likely, based upon what we have witnessed so far. Rather than being negative, I think all that many on here are pointing out is that if we were a little more switched on at the back and took, not every chance, but a reasonable proportion of them, we would be seriously threatening the top 6. Let’s be honest here, we ARE playing some wonderfully entertaining football at times. A huge positive for me is that after 4 games last season we had zero points, so are 4 ahead of where we were a year ago. We quickly turned that around, before reverting to type, so if we turn it round again being a bit more clinical upfront and then DON’T revert to type, e should be fine. It would have been no more than our performance last night deserved if we had gone 2-1 up, which of course would have greatly changed how both teams then played. |
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Post by West Acton on Aug 22, 2019 11:50:37 GMT
Bit harsh to pin the first goal last night on the corner being over hit. There was plenty tactically that could have been done to not give Swansea an opportunity to plough through the middle unchallenged. had the corner not by passed the box and every player, both sides, and left us all out of position do you hand on heart think they would have scored, in comparison to if the ball actually went where it should have ie in the box We actually lost a player to injury trying to recover the ball the corner was that bad |
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Post by shepherdsmush on Aug 22, 2019 12:34:31 GMT
Bit harsh to pin the first goal last night on the corner being over hit. There was plenty tactically that could have been done to not give Swansea an opportunity to plough through the middle unchallenged. had the corner not by passed the box and every player, both sides, and left us all out of position do you hand on heart think they would have scored, in comparison to if the ball actually went where it should have ie in the box We actually lost a player to injury trying to recover the ball the corner was that bad We were so high up the pitch and all to one side that yeah, had we been tactically more astute in having a player in the middle of the pitch that goal could have been prevented (or at least the break could have been held up while players got back) wherever the ball went from the corner. From what I remember, Kane was the furthest back and on the right hand side. All CM's were so high up and unable to beat the pace of the breakaway players that we were undone before they got to Lumley, who really had no chance. Think it was only 10 minutes later when Lumley had to rush out to beat the completely free attacker in the middle of the park to clear the ball as well. Schoolboy defending. |
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Post by acricketer on Aug 22, 2019 12:41:29 GMT
I'm with esox on this. We look a completely different team from the past few seasons and are playing some very attractive, skillful football. If we go down playing like we did last night the EFL will be rivalling the Premier League.
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Post by esoxlucius on Aug 22, 2019 13:03:37 GMT
Esox, I suspect you'll have your work cut out if you plan to challenge virtually every single critique of players, manager, system etc on a football fans messageboard, when that's one of its main raison d'êtres. I'm up for the challenge!  On a more serious note, it is not genuine criticism that irks me, I will happily state that I think Barbet has a lot of work to do to cement the role of central defender, mainly in the actual defensive capabilities department. We knew he was comparatively slow when we brought him in on a free but that is what you get for free. Our only real shot at getting the next Harry Maguire or Virgil Van Dyck will be if unexpectedly unearth one in our U23's or somesuch. More of a concern for me is the way we play one up front with Hugill who is relatively static and looking to challenge in the air for balls but our midfield is set up for fast passing interchanges with mobile players looking to move the defence around and get behind them. This is something I feel Wells could do to better effect and from memories of last season his best spell came when Eze was in form they built a good understanding for each others game and style. Eze also works well alongside Ilias Chair, possibly from their time in the U23's, and between them could cause the disruption to opponents defences that would allow Wells to profit from. A speculative thought of mine is to bring Masterson into the side at left back and move Manning forward to mange the Amos CDM role whilst Amos is injured. Wigan may prove to be a better choice of opponent than Swansea for this sort of experiment and certainly if not Wigan, then Portsmouth. This would have the benefit of keeping the pace up in the defence and allow Manning into a more natural role for him. For the most part I couldn't be more delighted with how the season playing out so far and will stoically suffer the reversals whilst the team is being shaped. Pragmatically we could have a poor season results wise but enjoy some of the most exciting football we have seen for years. Results matter but not as much as feeling your trip to football was worth every penny and the time spent. |
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Post by shepherdsmush on Aug 22, 2019 13:11:13 GMT
Kane may be a better footballer than Furlong, but I think Furlong was the better defender. Fuck me Kane is doomed ! Always though furlong was good going forward but like a dog chasing a wasp at right back. |
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Post by shepherdsmush on Aug 22, 2019 13:16:13 GMT
More of a concern for me is the way we play one up front with Hugill who is relatively static and looking to challenge in the air for balls but our midfield is set up for fast passing interchanges with mobile players looking to move the defence around and get behind them. This is something I feel Wells could do to better effect and from memories of last season his best spell came when Eze was in form they built a good understanding for each others game and style. Said the same myself at half time last night then Hugill had a much better 2nd half. |
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Post by esoxlucius on Aug 22, 2019 13:26:23 GMT
More of a concern for me is the way we play one up front with Hugill who is relatively static and looking to challenge in the air for balls but our midfield is set up for fast passing interchanges with mobile players looking to move the defence around and get behind them. This is something I feel Wells could do to better effect and from memories of last season his best spell came when Eze was in form they built a good understanding for each others game and style. Said the same myself at half time last night then Hugill had a much better 2nd half. Yes he did but he was not one for pulling defenders out of shape, more getting stuck into them and letting him know he was there which, upon reflection, wasn't the way forward. The amount of shots we had blocked by a crowded penalty area tells me that we need to get central defenders out of their comfort zone and last night they knew that they were having trouble on the flanks with our players but kept their CB's in position for the most likely of outcomes of those runs, a cross. Rodon was made to look good because he was given the opportunity to hold his position, the only time we passed round he he was forced into a foul and card. I haven't seen Mlakar enough to know if that is what his game is about but certainly is Wells' and we should take the opportunity in games like last night. Hugill will be perfect when we run in to shithouse teams like PNE & 'wall where we will need someone with a bit more physical presence than Nahki. |
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Post by West Acton on Aug 22, 2019 14:26:31 GMT
I like Hugills performance last night done what it says on the tin. Thought to looked dangerous when we did get it in right areas
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Post by shepherdsmush on Aug 22, 2019 15:55:56 GMT
I like Hugills performance last night done what it says on the tin. Thought to looked dangerous when we did get it in right areas Average first half bar the volley, but 2nd half he really got going and started to link well with others as well as put himself about in the box. It was a shame they scored their second when they did as it really knocked us for 6 and we fizzled away a bit. |
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Post by West Acton on Aug 22, 2019 16:01:42 GMT
Was it his shot which was flying in but was hand-balled but ref not interested in pen
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Post by Shania on Aug 22, 2019 18:20:32 GMT
McClaren attempted this playing out from the back approach at the start of last season but soon came a cropper, so he went back to basics and tightened up defensively. Are we starting to see similarities to that? And might we end up having to do the same again?We were supposed to have better footballers this season to play this possession-based building-from-the-back style... Hopefully not, but we have to make use of any funds we may have available and bring in a new fast quality CB in the January window. |
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Post by Corbray on Aug 22, 2019 18:42:22 GMT
tbh overall i do think we were the better team despite the score. we only gave them 2 clear cut chances but unfortunately for us they put them away. before barbet's penalty we had the wind full pelt in our sails and looked like we were gunna get the win, even after the penalty we were still the better side and should have at least had a draw imo.
swansea weren't great but they did what they needed too well and we simply couldn't contain ayew, there was so many times during that game that i wish we just fouled him as he was dancing around us with ease!
i will add though that i am enjoying the football we are playing, we've conceded stupid schoolboy goals and that's what's cost us. so far this season we've been the better side in every game we've played, apart from bristol last week but even then i don't think they walked all over us. it's still early days and we have to adapt to warburton's style of play but we're getting there game by game.
luckily for us we also have a lot of depth, i think the likes of chair, scowen, pugh, kelly and leistner could easily slot in against wigan and it wouldn't be an unfair decision.
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On a more serious note, it is not genuine criticism that irks me, I will happily state that I think Barbet has a lot of work to do to cement the role of central defender, mainly in the actual defensive capabilities department. We knew he was comparatively slow when we brought him in on a free but that is what you get for free. Our only real shot at getting the next Harry Maguire or Virgil Van Dyck will be if unexpectedly unearth one in our U23's or somesuch. 
