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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2019 20:35:50 GMT
Reality check tonight as no team defending like we do will end up anywhere near the top 6.
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Post by Timmy Doc on Oct 2, 2019 20:36:46 GMT
Poor result. Don't know if we deserved it. Eze was good. Disappointed with the rest.
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Post by Tarbie on Oct 2, 2019 20:39:46 GMT
We are so naive at the back. And this keeper is bang average too, but he'll get picked cos he knocks it about better than Lumley. Not much good if he catches fuck all though! 🤣 Bit harsh. Not at fault for any of the goals and strangely enough hasn't really being tested...despite losing 3-0. Yeah, probably bit harsh. Hold me hands up. But from what I've seen prior of this chap he's an SPL standard keeper (and I'm talking Kilmarnock or St Johnstone rather than Rangers or Celtic) who is very good with the ball at his feet. Haven't seen anything tonight to make me think otherwise. |
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Post by The General on Oct 2, 2019 20:41:22 GMT
Cameron is the most overated player
Defence was tonight a disgrace
Sort it out
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Post by Shania on Oct 2, 2019 20:42:43 GMT
We obviously need a defensive coach..but who??
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Post by Tarbie on Oct 2, 2019 20:45:54 GMT
Cameron is the most overated player Defence was tonight a disgrace Sort it out Cameron is better in the midfield for sure mate. And we are a better side in general when Barbet is playing, despite the fact he drops the occasional clanger! |
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Post by awin on Oct 2, 2019 20:48:40 GMT
We only had one recognised CB. Hall and Barbet not playing is a big loss.
Hall starting to remind me of the man of glass (Matty Rose)
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Post by acricketer on Oct 2, 2019 20:55:38 GMT
We only had one recognised CB. Hall and Barbet not playing is a big loss. Hall starting to remind me of the man of glass (Matty Rose) Salmon Fags |
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Post by Tarbie on Oct 2, 2019 20:56:51 GMT
We only had one recognised CB. Hall and Barbet not playing is a big loss. Hall starting to remind me of the man of glass (Matty Rose) Mate, he's had some really bad problems with his knees. He's actually done very well to come back like he has this season. We really should have bought 1 more centre half in the summer if Masterson ain't gonna feature. |
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Post by jfrabbit on Oct 2, 2019 20:57:03 GMT
That was shit.
Going from 4 wins on the bounce to potentially losing 3 on the spin is just so QPR
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Post by Tarbie on Oct 2, 2019 20:58:43 GMT
That was shit. Going from 4 wins on the bounce to potentially losing 3 on the spin is just so QPR I was just saying the same to my Mrs. Not that she was listening! 🙂 |
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Post by Brian Wilson on Oct 2, 2019 21:00:55 GMT
Bit harsh. Not at fault for any of the goals and strangely enough hasn't really being tested...despite losing 3-0. Yeah, probably bit harsh. Hold me hands up. But from what I've seen prior of this chap he's an SPL standard keeper (and I'm talking Kilmarnock or St Johnstone rather than Rangers or Celtic) who is very good with the ball at his feet. Haven't seen anything tonight to make me think otherwise. Yeah, wasn't impressed with signing him but thought the same about Ball and he has been decent so...there's hope. If Kelly continues to insist on playing out of the back like that he is gonna get targeted and we could be in trouble. |
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Post by alanwycombe on Oct 2, 2019 21:03:29 GMT
72% possession and 14 shots show stats mean FA.
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Post by Tarbie on Oct 2, 2019 21:03:57 GMT
Yeah, probably bit harsh. Hold me hands up. But from what I've seen prior of this chap he's an SPL standard keeper (and I'm talking Kilmarnock or St Johnstone rather than Rangers or Celtic) who is very good with the ball at his feet. Haven't seen anything tonight to make me think otherwise. Yeah, wasn't impressed with signing him but thought the same about Ball and he has been decent so...there's hope. If Kelly continues to insist on playing out of the back like that he is gonna get targeted and we could be in trouble. Is it Kelly that insists on playing out from the back, or Warburton? |
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Post by Brian Wilson on Oct 2, 2019 21:12:42 GMT
Yeah, wasn't impressed with signing him but thought the same about Ball and he has been decent so...there's hope. If Kelly continues to insist on playing out of the back like that he is gonna get targeted and we could be in trouble. Is it Kelly that insists on playing out from the back, or Warburton? Bit of both I presume. Think Warburton brought him in because he can do it better then most keepers. I wouldn't have dropped Lumley. |
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Post by Tarbie on Oct 2, 2019 21:36:39 GMT
Is it Kelly that insists on playing out from the back, or Warburton? Bit of both I presume. Think Warburton brought him in because he can do it better then most keepers. I wouldn't have dropped Lumley. I get why Lumley was dropped. By I also don't see Kelly as the answer. Only other keeper close to good enough is Dieng and he's out on loan. So I suppose you're right, have to put our faith in Lumley really. Tonight is further proof that we could do with toning down the extent that we try to play it out from the back. If we did that it might actually take a bit of pressure off Lumley. |
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Post by Ginger Ninja on Oct 2, 2019 21:44:21 GMT
Cameron is the most overated player Defence was tonight a disgrace Sort it out How can a player be overrated when being played out of position? |
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Post by acricketer on Oct 2, 2019 21:52:53 GMT
The table (and quality)starting to take shape
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Post by lymehoop on Oct 2, 2019 22:37:47 GMT
PUBS NOT HAVING THE RED BUTTON Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
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Post by Rangers77 on Oct 2, 2019 22:39:03 GMT
Out all evening, so catching up. That's fun. That's the team I'd have played with Wells up not Lump (and Wszolek not BOS....). Had my pants pulled down. Yikes
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Post by hal9thou on Oct 2, 2019 22:59:40 GMT
It doesn't matter who you pick or where you put them if the basics just aren't happening.
I'd ditch the entire back room staff for one bloke who actually knows the job of sorting out a back line.
Priority #1.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2019 6:09:43 GMT
The lack of pace and mobility in the back line was there to see last night and they got in far too easily. We are too easy to play against and take Eze out and we lacked any kind of creativity. BOS needs to stay on the bench and be at best a 20 min impact sub as he offers nothing as a first 11 starter.
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Post by hubble on Oct 3, 2019 8:02:02 GMT
Oh well... lessons learnt and all that. As I said before the game (me, not Warbs Hal!), we are a work in progress. Hall and Barbet were missing from defence and Warbs rang the changes with Kelly in for Lumley, Rangel for Kane, Scowen and BOS starting but not Wells. I had no expectations that we'd take anything from this game and so it proved.
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Post by Stanley75 on Oct 3, 2019 8:14:48 GMT
None of the goals came from us playing it out from the back (or keeper error).
The first was Manning's fault for not marking his man.
The second was Scowen's fault for not holding the offside line (with the rest of the back four), thereby allowing the striker a simple tap in.
The third was also Scowen at fault for tracking the ball instead of his man, who again ran into the box totally unmarked.
So in fact none of the goals were the fault of the CBs or the keeper.
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Post by shepherdsmush on Oct 3, 2019 10:16:29 GMT
Can't defend at all and now we can't score. Did Hugill touch the ball in Cardiff's box at all ?
Honeymoon period is over. We'll struggle this season if we cannot change our game to a solid defensive wall with attacks on the counter when needed.
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Post by Shania on Oct 3, 2019 11:09:32 GMT
At this early stage of the season, I think we have to accept the simple fact that this squad is far from flawless. On paper we have cover for most positions, but in reality - we are still a bit thin when it comes to quality.
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Post by Tarbie on Oct 3, 2019 11:19:44 GMT
None of the goals came from us playing it out from the back (or keeper error). The first was Manning's fault for not marking his man. The second was Scowen's fault for not holding the offside line (with the rest of the back four), thereby allowing the striker a simple tap in. The third was also Scowen at fault for tracking the ball instead of his man, who again ran into the box totally unmarked. So in fact none of the goals were the fault of the CBs or the keeper. Right, I'm gonna repeat what I said on the thread that got deleted and elaborate a bit. You can't really blame Kelly for any of the goals last night. But at the same time, I do think he looks like a bang average keeper. For the first goal he dives late and flaps at it. Of course, it's first and foremost a defensive error, but I wouldn't bet against that being something that Lumley would have got a hand to. Again, for the 2nd goal, Manning's positional play is woeful, but the keeper is glued to his line. A better goalie might have anticipated that. Definite defensive errors first and foremost though for both goals, but we've been making those all season and Lumley has been saving our bacon at times. With regards to Kelly, I watched as much footage of him as I could get my hands on when we signed him. I watched extended highlights of the pre-season games he was involved in, and I've watched the full 90 minutes of every competitive match he's played for us. I'm struggling to recall a moment where I've thought to myself 'good save'. He's small for a keeper, he doesn't seem to command his area that well, and he seems to flap around a lot at stuff a better/taller keeper might be getting his hands on. He is of course very, very good with the ball at his feet. But I don't think that compensates for all his other shortcomings. Lumley is a far better keeper for me. He's a big lad, he's confident, he's vocal and he's a great shot stopper. Far from the finished article, and somewhat of a late bloomer. But rather than trying to develop his game with the ball at his feet, we should be working on improving the way he commands his box and comes for crosses. Half the howlers we've seen from him have been because he's been trying to play too much football. If we could tone this down a bit and let him play his natural game it would take a bit of pressure off him I think. |
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Post by acricketer on Oct 3, 2019 11:36:41 GMT
By all accounts we played well again, just our defending is letting us down.
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Post by Stanley75 on Oct 3, 2019 11:44:59 GMT
Tarbs, I don't disagree with any of your assessment on Kelly. My post was really just highlighting what and who was primarily to blame for the goals last night, and which interestingly neither CBs nor RB were at fault for.
EDIT: "Don't disagree, not agree" lol.
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Post by hubble on Oct 3, 2019 11:47:30 GMT
Do you mean you don't disagree Stan? Someone on LFW has posted something very interesting about our defending: www.fansnetwork.co.uk/football/queensparkrangers/forum/247803/our-marking-at-set-pieces/#1"Having watched the highlights back again we appear to start each set piece with a combination of zonal and man to man marking and as soon as the ball moves we stay in exactly the same position and mark the patch of grass we are standing on while the opposition lose us immediately. 3-4 times, including both set piece goals we seemed to be standing like a row of statues as the ball was kicked. Have to do something about that. We aren't the biggest team and seem to be out muscled by much bigger players, especially in the last two games, so the least we can do is actually stick with a player at set pieces and make it a lot more difficult for them to get to the ball. Kelly was left pretty exposed last night and he too isn't the biggest keeper in the world." |
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