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Post by Stanley75 on Oct 3, 2019 11:49:30 GMT
Do you mean you don't disagree Stan? Yes mate. Typo. Sorry  |
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Post by shepherdsmush on Oct 3, 2019 12:51:47 GMT
After watching them last night, Cardiff will definitely be right up there this season, I've got no doubts about that.
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Post by Shania on Oct 3, 2019 13:00:54 GMT
I look forward to hear what Warburton has to say about defending on a fansforum.. Edit: He adressed this issue in his postmatch interview, but what I would like us to have is a defensive coach..Hal has also aired his view on the same matter..
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Post by hal9thou on Oct 3, 2019 13:27:17 GMT
Oh well... lessons learnt The trouble is they are not being learned, this goes back a long long way. We knew how to defend under NW. We weren't great, but at least people vaguely knew their job. We defended well at Wembley. Since then you could count the number of decent displays vs quality on one hand. It doesn't matter whether or not we concede from playing out or not. That makes the premium higher but it isnt the problem. The problem is off the park. The zonal vs m2m thing is a symptom of coaching by committee. Warburton is the gaffer. He needs to suck it up, get rid of a couple of people and employ a grown up defence coach. And that's where the real work should start. Mistakes at the back can be coached out to some extent. We go the other way, we build in negative equity by not coaching them properly. Its been blindingly obvious for years. |
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Post by shepherdsmush on Oct 3, 2019 13:50:42 GMT
Hard to keep a clean sheet for any team in this league as there are so many teams on a similar level.
If there is anything to learn from the last 2 games it is surely to improve our concentration and organisation on set pieces.
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Post by croydoncaptainjack on Oct 3, 2019 14:03:45 GMT
After watching them last night, Cardiff will definitely be right up there this season, I've got no doubts about that. I thought exactly the opposite mate. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Oct 3, 2019 14:15:50 GMT
Warnock's genius has always been about building teams that play to their strengths. They were clearly happy to allow us 70% of the possession but most of that was knocking it about in our own half - non-threatening areas. The moment we got over the half way line they pressed us. They're a physical side too with tall burly players, plus they're good at counter-attack football. Warnock doesn't have the luxury of a Taarabt, so he maximises his team's other strengths instead. And yes, his defenders know how to defend.
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Post by Tarbie on Oct 3, 2019 15:03:47 GMT
After watching them last night, Cardiff will definitely be right up there this season, I've got no doubts about that.
Makes you wonder if we might be over-engineering things! |
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Post by Tarbie on Oct 3, 2019 15:05:34 GMT
I look forward to hear what Warburton has to say about defending on a fansforum.. Edit: He adressed this issue in his postmatch interview, but what I would like us to have is a defensive coach..Hal has also aired his view on the same matter.. His after match interview was a joke. He called it a "smash and grab". Doubt he'll call it that after watching the game back! |
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Post by spongeparr on Oct 3, 2019 15:25:49 GMT
I thought we played okay, but we cannot defend. We dominated the play and created some really good chances. BOS should have scored inside 15 minutes and it would be a totally different game. We need to sort the defence out though or we'll never get consistency.
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Post by esoxlucius on Oct 3, 2019 15:29:29 GMT
Sounds like we are turning on the team already after two defeats. If we can't afford £8m for that Scottish defender we are hardly going to be able to go out and spend £20m plus on a couple of experienced ball playing defenders are we? This team cost fuck all other than (lowish) wages to put together; be grateful that we aren't still looking for our first win this season. If we carry on winning an average of 1.6 points a game and playing attacking football I'll be more than happy. IMO building this team to a strong Championship team will take 2-3 more seasons with a bit of money (which we will hopefully have after the end of this season) being spent in areas we are currently weak in. It will also depend a lot on replacing players like Eze, Chair, BOS, Manning etc. if we are forced to let them go. I have read that we are currently noted for spotting gems among the discards in other teams and improving them; this, more than anything needs to carry on.
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Post by Shania on Oct 3, 2019 15:41:06 GMT
I look forward to hear what Warburton has to say about defending on a fansforum.. Edit: He adressed this issue in his postmatch interview, but what I would like us to have is a defensive coach..Hal has also aired his view on the same matter.. His after match interview was a joke. He called it a "smash and grab". Doubt he'll call it that after watching the game back! I feel we still lack organisation when we lose the ball upfront. IOW, we have to take our chances or we`ll get punished like we did yesterday. Cameron(mf), Barbet and wells will hopefully play and sort things out on Saturday. |
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Post by Shania on Oct 3, 2019 15:56:22 GMT
Sounds like we are turning on the team already after two defeats. If we can't afford £8m for that Scottish defender we are hardly going to be able to go out and spend £20m plus on a couple of experienced ball playing defenders are we? This team cost fuck all other than (lowish) wages to put together; be grateful that we aren't still looking for our first win this season. If we carry on winning an average of 1.6 points a game and playing attacking football I'll be more than happy. IMO building this team to a strong Championship team will take 2-3 more seasons with a bit of money (which we will hopefully have after the end of this season) being spent in areas we are currently weak in. It will also depend a lot on replacing players like Eze, Chair, BOS, Manning etc. if we are forced to let them go. I have read that we are currently noted for spotting gems among the discards in other teams and improving them; this, more than anything needs to carry on. Not a dig at you, but as far as I`m concerned I just point out where I still think we still are weak and, In general, I don`t think you can critisise other fans for being a bit worried considered how many goals we have leaked over a course of say 3 seasons or even more now... Not saying that it will be not be sorted, but anyway... It happens again and again and it`s frustrating to witness Just my opinion. |
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Post by shepherdsmush on Oct 3, 2019 16:02:30 GMT
After watching them last night, Cardiff will definitely be right up there this season, I've got no doubts about that. I thought exactly the opposite mate. Just looked VERY well drilled and organised, as you would expect from a Warnock team, yet clinical on the counter and a handful at set-pieces. 7 unbeaten with a manager that knows how to adapt to other teams....I'd certainly say they are a top 6 side if not top 4 and I'd bet they get something at West Brom at the weekend too. |
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Post by West Acton on Oct 3, 2019 16:22:27 GMT
Thought Cardiff looked mid table side, they had nothing special about them and can’t see them in top six on that showing. Big lumps, as you expect from Neils teams, but aside from that very bland. If we were solid at the back they would have got draw at best
We devised our own downfall last night it was not because Cardiff are particularly good side. If players defended professionally then would have been a comfortable evening.
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Post by hal9thou on Oct 3, 2019 16:47:53 GMT
Sounds like we are turning on the team already after two defeats. Plenty of people have been voicing concerns about defensive coaching (or lack of it) for years. Rightly so. The stats support those concerns. This kind of criticism is constructive, because its based on hard evidence - its a specific critique of an obvious area of weakness. |
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Post by Tarbie on Oct 3, 2019 18:00:39 GMT
Sounds like we are turning on the team already after two defeats. If we can't afford £8m for that Scottish defender we are hardly going to be able to go out and spend £20m plus on a couple of experienced ball playing defenders are we? This team cost fuck all other than (lowish) wages to put together; be grateful that we aren't still looking for our first win this season. If we carry on winning an average of 1.6 points a game and playing attacking football I'll be more than happy. IMO building this team to a strong Championship team will take 2-3 more seasons with a bit of money (which we will hopefully have after the end of this season) being spent in areas we are currently weak in. It will also depend a lot on replacing players like Eze, Chair, BOS, Manning etc. if we are forced to let them go. I have read that we are currently noted for spotting gems among the discards in other teams and improving them; this, more than anything needs to carry on. Not turning on anyone Esox. But I've played Sunday League football and would have expected a rollicking at half time at that level for the defending on those first 2 goals. As such, these lads out there getting paid 8 grand a week or whatever deserve a good rollicking too. Yet the Manager is calling it a travesty and a 'smash and grab' etc. Not right in my opinion. Should hold his hands up and say our defending wasn't good enough! |
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Post by Ginger Ninja on Oct 3, 2019 20:21:17 GMT
Sounds like we are turning on the team already after two defeats I don't think anyone is turning on the team (bar the social media idiots that turn on the team at every given opportunity). I think very valid concerns are being raised about our very fragile defence, concerns that have been raised all season, not just after the last 2 games. But obviously after a couple of losses those concerns are going to be raised a little louder, especially as every one of the last 5 goals we've conceded could have been avoided if the defence were a bit more switched on. |
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Post by hubble on Oct 3, 2019 20:45:19 GMT
Would we be happy if everything was hunky dory and we were cruising to the league title?
Probably!
But somehow I get the feeling that we're all so invested in the transformation process that's taking place in front of our eyes at the KPFS (I think), that really we're enjoying all of this.
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Post by acricketer on Oct 3, 2019 22:50:25 GMT
I think a couple of defeats is, in some way, a good thing at this stage of the season before we all get too carried away!
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Post by Stanley75 on Oct 3, 2019 22:55:36 GMT
I think a couple of defeats is, in some way, a good thing at this stage of the season before we all get too carried away! Meh. I was enjoying getting carried away! 😀 |
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Post by Stanley75 on Oct 4, 2019 8:38:57 GMT
Why I avoid social media.
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