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Post by James1979 on Oct 22, 2019 21:47:31 GMT
3-5-2 would have been better perhaps. You can play any system you like but if the back line allow the opponents number 9 to walk onto the goal line alone and score then it is down to not doing the basics right and consistently switching off at crucial times. We allowed 1 of their 2 best players acres of space and time just outside our area. He delivers a good ball and rest is history. Our defence is poor but our midfield is not great either. Stick Ejaria in our midfield and would make a massive difference. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2019 21:51:14 GMT
The back line allowing a number 9 to walk one into the net is nothing to do with their player as we conceded a mirror image against Cardiff a few weeks ago.
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Post by Shania on Oct 22, 2019 21:54:22 GMT
3-5-2 would have been better perhaps. You can play any system you like but if the back line allow the opponents number 9 to walk onto the goal line alone and score then it is down to not doing the basics right and consistently switching off at crucial times.Well, I have nothing more sensible to add to your observation.  |
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Post by Corbray on Oct 22, 2019 22:04:04 GMT
ref was awful but we were well off the pace tonight. don't know what happened with us after we went 2-1 up as we looked so far off the mark and desperate at times. subs weren't great for the first time this season and it took out any momentum we may have gained. kane was completely absent in the second half
i get that we play attacking football but thats no excuse for the schoolboy defending that we keep seeing.
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Post by acricketer on Oct 22, 2019 22:04:14 GMT
I'd like to see 6-3-1
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Post by 1qprdk on Oct 22, 2019 22:10:21 GMT
When the ref lets them get away with bully boy tactics it doesn´t help our poor defense one bit  dont allow yourself to be bullied. Go toe to toe True. I don't think we even committed a foul until late 2nd half  Edit: Correction we already made a foul in the 54th minute |
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Post by Stanley75 on Oct 22, 2019 22:48:29 GMT
Midfield is the weakness for me. Not usually but it certainly was tonight. Having said that, defence was shit too. Just a really crap day at the office. I imagine it's getting frustrating for the attacking players with defensive players not playing to the same standards! Almost like they know they have to conjure up 2 or 3 goals every game just to get a win. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Oct 22, 2019 22:51:09 GMT
3-5-2 would have been better perhaps. No. He changed to that 2nd half and we still farking conceded. Cameron is no CB anymore and BFG is starting to lose consistency - he messed up badly for their first. Hall is needed back desperately now, but fitness questions have to made about his long term situation. So we need to try again with signing a CB in Jan. At least Warbs recognised this as our weakness in the summer, trying but failing to land those Aberdeen or Hamburg CBs due to financial constraints |
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Post by Ginger Ninja on Oct 22, 2019 23:03:18 GMT
3-5-2 would have been better perhaps. No. He changed to that 2nd half and we still farking conceded. Cameron is no CB anymore and BFG is starting to lose consistency - he messed up badly for their first. Hall is needed back desperately now, but fitness questions have to made about his long term situation. So we need to try again with signing a CB in Jan. At least Warbs recognised this as our weakness in the summer, trying but failing to land those Aberdeen or Hamburg CBs due to financial constraints We can't do any worse than giving Masterson a go. |
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Post by acricketer on Oct 22, 2019 23:23:07 GMT
Saw an article connecting us with the 17 year old Heart's left back for January.
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Post by Stanley75 on Oct 22, 2019 23:41:30 GMT
Saw an article connecting us with the 17 year old Heart's left back for January. Saw that too but doubt there's much veracity in it. Personally can't see the need for another LB, particularly with clear weaknesses in other areas. |
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Post by 72bus on Oct 22, 2019 23:53:42 GMT
Lucky to come away with a point , lot of players had an off day ... But chin up 3 unbeaten
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Post by itsonlyagame on Oct 23, 2019 6:11:23 GMT
The ref was a complete cunt and shouldn’t be allowed near a football pitch again. Attachments:
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Post by Tarbie on Oct 23, 2019 6:22:03 GMT
What’s this red card that was missed that twitter is having meltdown over?? Their number 5 elbowed Rangel clean in the face off the ball. Immediate red if the officials see it, but the ref was facing the other way. The penalty was worse. Very clear handball. The ref puts his whistle to his lips like he's gonna give it, looks to his linesman for confirmation, then bottles it when he doesn't get confirmation from the lino. It's obvious and right under the refs nose. No excuse at all for missing that! |
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Post by James1979 on Oct 23, 2019 6:31:42 GMT
The ref was a complete cunt and shouldn’t be allowed near a football pitch again. Blimey, that’s a penalty and red card |
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Post by itsonlyagame on Oct 23, 2019 6:40:42 GMT
Shocking, given where the ref was.
I’m not in favour of VAR as it’s taking the spontaneity out of the game, just need to make sure we have refs who don’t bottle it when it comes to key decisions. The bloke should apologise to our club.
Great save though.
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Post by Tarbie on Oct 23, 2019 6:47:54 GMT
And no doubt he bottled it mate. You watch his actions the few seconds after it happens. He has his whistle in his mouth, and then after a quick glance to the lino, he points to his shoulder as if to say it was shoulder not hand. You'll not see a clearer handball in the area all season, and the ref was 5 yards away looking straight at it!
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Post by West Acton on Oct 23, 2019 7:02:45 GMT
Dear oh dear oh dear
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Post by Tarbie on Oct 23, 2019 7:57:24 GMT
End of the day chaps, we've had one of our worst performances of the season, the ref has missed a clear penalty as well as a blatant red card and yet we still come away with a point. Things could be a lot worse!
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Post by spongeparr on Oct 23, 2019 8:04:50 GMT
Felt like Hull last year.
We were on a great run, expecting a win and then we lost. Similar to that whereby we were well off the pace. Started the 2nd half brilliantly though and then I think we got over confident; prob didnt help when we ole the passes.
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Post by West Acton on Oct 23, 2019 8:06:30 GMT
Equaliser just awful when you watch back, as bad as the first.
1) no pressure on guy on ball so he has all the time in work decide what he’s going to do
2) Chair ducks to avoid ball hitting his head when he does cross
3) Manning done far post yet again
4) Barbet don’t react or anticipate knock down
So many individual errors there which are so avoidable. If we simply pressurise man on ball in first instance he probably passes it backwards or throws it in box instead of pinpointing it.
Basic errors which should not be happening but repeatedly are, not sure what you put it down too, laziness, tired, lack of match awareness/craft, desire or poor implementation of game plan. I’m at a loss
Last 15mins of a match is where you suck it up and go that extra mile but three players around crosser no one closing, all staring instead is pretty poor show
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Post by Tarbie on Oct 23, 2019 8:40:49 GMT
Equaliser just awful when you watch back, as bad as the first. 1) no pressure on guy on ball so he has all the time in work decide what he’s going to do 2) Chair ducks to avoid ball hitting his head when he does cross 3) Manning done far post yet again 4) Barbet don’t react or anticipate knock down So many individual errors there which are so avoidable. If we simply pressurise man on ball in first instance he probably passes it backwards or throws it in box instead of pinpointing it. Basic errors which should not be happening but repeatedly are, not sure what you put it down too, laziness, tired, lack of match awareness/craft, desire or poor implementation of game plan. I’m at a loss Last 15mins of a match is where you suck it up and go that extra mile but three players around crosser no one closing, all staring instead is pretty poor show I think we might have to get used to it mate. Our defenders are on the whole pretty poor. We look better when Hall plays, but clearly he's always going to struggle to play every game with his knees. On top of that, Warburton doesn't seem to set up with a mentality of keeping clean sheets. His ethos is to play flowing football and hope we score 1 more than the opposition. This is what we have this season. I reckon maybe we should just sit back and enjoy it. Of course at times we are going to be infuriated by the poor defensive play. At times we are going to come up against wily old Managers who have used sussed from the first kick (Cardiff a few weeks back). But this is the best entertainment we've had at Loftus Road since our promotion season under Warnock! |
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Post by esoxlucius on Oct 23, 2019 8:56:07 GMT
No. He changed to that 2nd half and we still farking conceded. Cameron is no CB anymore and BFG is starting to lose consistency - he messed up badly for their first. Hall is needed back desperately now, but fitness questions have to made about his long term situation. So we need to try again with signing a CB in Jan. At least Warbs recognised this as our weakness in the summer, trying but failing to land those Aberdeen or Hamburg CBs due to financial constraints We can't do any worse than giving Masterson a go. I don't think we can play him until next season as he was signed as an U23 player. |
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Post by esoxlucius on Oct 23, 2019 9:05:14 GMT
End of the day chaps, we've had one of our worst performances of the season, the ref has missed a clear penalty as well as a blatant red card and yet we still come away with a point. Things could be a lot worse! and we moved up a place in the league along with now being halfway along the path to 50 points. There seems to be a lot of hubris over last nights game and, IMO. it is completely unwarranted; we were all expecting to be fighting relegation before the season kicked off and now we are moaning that we didn't go top. Stay grounded folks. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Oct 23, 2019 9:42:02 GMT
and we moved up a place in the league along with now being halfway along the path to 50 points. There seems to be a lot of hubris over last nights game and, IMO. it is completely unwarranted; we were all expecting to be fighting relegation before the season kicked off and now we are moaning that we didn't go top. Stay grounded folks. I respectfully disagree with you Esox! :-) Firstly I never made any of those predictions you refer to, and secondly there's just no getting away from the fact that our defending should have been better last night - hence it should have been 3pts not 1. Yeah I get your arguments about lack of quality in defence etc but the fact is Warbs would disagree with you too. He knows full well that our defenders are capable of doing a better job than they are currently, and he knows he can get more out of them. |
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Post by Shania on Oct 23, 2019 10:00:18 GMT
3-5-2 would have been better perhaps. No. He changed to that 2nd half and we still farking conceded. Cameron is no CB anymore and BFG is starting to lose consistency - he messed up badly for their first. Hall is needed back desperately now, but fitness questions have to made about his long term situation. So we need to try again with signing a CB in Jan. At least Warbs recognised this as our weakness in the summer, trying but failing to land those Aberdeen or Hamburg CBs due to financial constraints At one point, I think we were after Joe Worral, now Forest. He is quite good... |
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Post by shepherdsmush on Oct 23, 2019 10:24:27 GMT
We allowed 1 of their 2 best players acres of space and time just outside our area. He delivers a good ball and rest is history. Who was that then ? It wasn't Ejaria or Yiadom. |
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Post by shepherdsmush on Oct 23, 2019 10:29:29 GMT
End of the day chaps, we've had one of our worst performances of the season, the ref has missed a clear penalty as well as a blatant red card and yet we still come away with a point. Things could be a lot worse! Nowhere near as bad as losing 3-0 at Cardiff with only 4 shots on target. IMO last night was a decent game that, to be honest on the overall performance, was a fair result ending in a draw. Move on and up our game against Middlesex United. |
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Post by esoxlucius on Oct 23, 2019 10:43:38 GMT
and we moved up a place in the league along with now being halfway along the path to 50 points. There seems to be a lot of hubris over last nights game and, IMO. it is completely unwarranted; we were all expecting to be fighting relegation before the season kicked off and now we are moaning that we didn't go top. Stay grounded folks. I respectfully disagree with you Esox! :-) Firstly I never made any of those predictions you refer to, and secondly there's just no getting away from the fact that our defending should have been better last night - hence it should have been 3pts not 1. Yeah I get your arguments about lack of quality in defence etc but the fact is Warbs would disagree with you too. He knows full well that our defenders are capable of doing a better job than they are currently, and he knows he can get more out of them. I would be positive that MW, Eustace and Neil Banfield are working as hard as the players to stem the flow of goals against but I fear that may not prove to be possible with the players we have. His policy of a no blame culture cracked a little last night as I observed Manning getting an earful off Barbet and Manning himself having a proper go at Leistner after defensive lapses. Both Barbet and BFG are too slow to play the type of defence we need to go with our attacking style and BFG has been culpable in all four of the last goals against, despite being a mountain in the air and snappy tackling. I think our defence is about as good as it is going to get in the foreseeable future and if the news I heard last night about Grant Halls mental health is true we won't be seeing him until that is sorted ( I was told last night that he is back to full fitness but unable to play) and I wish him a speedy recovery. If, in any way shape or form, we are still sniffing around the play off places by the time of the January window opening the club may take a gamble on trying to bring in more suitable defenders but I know directly from Lee Hoos' mouth that he isn't a fan of buying players in January as he feels they smack of desperation buys and clubs pay over the odds for the players they do buy. Since Amit became chairman the club has the feeling once more of having a plan to progress and we are in year one of a potential new four year plan. If this is the case then we have got off to a flying start despite the none to promising pre season feel and this shouldn't be forgotten. I'm sure the club would take a year in the EPL if it presented itself to help with the finances but I don't think they would follow the same route as last time and it will be very disappointing to the fans if we are not prepared for life in the EPL and get whipped every week with the fans abusing those in charge for not spending all the money on getting top players in. If we fail to keep a clean sheet all season but still manage to finish in the top ten I will consider that to have been a very successful season and feel confident that with a bit more money available to spend in the transfer market next Summer that we will see further improvements the following season. Stoicism & pragmatism will be much needed by the fans this season as we are definitely punching above our weight due to the serendipitous blessing of having Eze, Chair, Manning, Wells etc. in the side and all playing out of their skins. Avoid the temptation to emulate Icarus. |
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Post by BrightonR on Oct 23, 2019 12:07:47 GMT
Unfortunately Esox, I think the reality of the situation is that the longer the defence keep letting the team down, the worse our league position becomes and the higher the chances of those who DO contribute in such a positive way will choose to go elsewhere.
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