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Post by Stanley75 on Nov 27, 2019 21:52:32 GMT
Warburton has worst squad we’ve had in many a year. He's doing himself no favours though with the way he has us set up. Also the players just don't look at all happy or comfortable in this system, which is never a good sign. I like Warbs but I think the time's come for him to change his approach. History shows the most successful managers are the most flexible and fluid ones tactically. They're adaptable even over the course of a game to counter-tactics by the opposition, rather than rigidly sticking to principles irrespective of them clearly not working before your eyes. |
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Post by Rangers77 on Nov 27, 2019 21:55:00 GMT
Shit throughout. But marginally less shit for ten minutes after we had to go to a flat back four. Maybe numb nuts will notice that.
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Post by West Acton on Nov 27, 2019 21:55:03 GMT
Looks like leaving at 0-2 was the best decision I made all day. Hope Ollie understands. Don’t think he liked it once before.😂 same |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2019 21:59:52 GMT
Warburton has worst squad we’ve had in many a year. He's doing himself no favours though we the way he has us set up. Also the players just don't look at all happy or comfortable in this system, which is never a good sign. I like Warbs but I think the time's come for him to change his approach. History shows the most successful managers are the most flexible and fluid ones tactically. They're adaptable even over the course of a game to counter-tactics by the opposition, rather than rigidly sticking to principles irrespective of them clearly not working before your eyes. So one dimensional it is unreal and tottaly agree about how we are being set up. We have a keeper shot on confidence and who is not great with his feet yet you still are expecting him to play in a way that he just cannot do. |
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Post by alanwycombe on Nov 27, 2019 22:05:27 GMT
Confidence shot to pieces. Lumley was never this bad, nor Hall nor BFG. Made for BOS and Hugill at half time. Manager needs to see he isn't getting it right. The Manning love affair has to end.
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Post by Shania on Nov 27, 2019 22:14:53 GMT
Confidence shot to pieces. Lumley was never this bad, nor Hall nor BFG. Made for BOS and Hugill at half time. Manager needs to see he isn't getting it right. The Manning love affair has to end. I agree, Plan B has to be used. Plan A has to be ditched on matchdays for now. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2019 22:15:57 GMT
Confidence shot to pieces. Lumley was never this bad, nor Hall nor BFG. Made for BOS and Hugill at half time. Manager needs to see he isn't getting it right. The Manning love affair has to end. I agree, Plan B has to be used. Plan A has to be ditched on matchdays for now. The man has no plan b and never has had one anywhere he has been. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Nov 27, 2019 22:31:21 GMT
I agree, Plan B has to be used. Plan A has to be ditched on matchdays for now. The man has no plan b and never has had one anywhere he has been. |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Nov 27, 2019 22:52:01 GMT
He won't make January
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Post by alanwycombe on Nov 27, 2019 23:02:15 GMT
We don't need the upheaval of another mid season managerial change but maybe the DOF should start kicking a bit of arse and tell Warburton this isn't good enough. He is the boss isn't he? Look Mark, it's not getting any better and if your system is going to work there should be signs by now. You need help.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2019 23:25:02 GMT
Never mind, we're developing players to sell..... That was the most ridiculous thing I read this week - not the poster who posted it BTW. We'll stick with this system until the players get it right so we can sell them for mega money.... Despite them being League One players and another couple of years older. The issue at the moment is his system and style of play is not making anyone look good and certainly not raising confidence. |
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Post by hal9thou on Nov 27, 2019 23:31:44 GMT
Freefall. Confidence this low = he's lost the dressing room, suspected it for a while. The beginning of the end if he cant turn it round next couple of games.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2019 23:34:54 GMT
Freefall. Confidence this low = he's lost the dressing room, suspected it for a while. The beginning of the end if he cant turn it round next couple of games. Cannot disagree Hal. |
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Post by West Acton on Nov 28, 2019 6:25:29 GMT
So four wins ago we were a win away from going second in the league two games in a row but he’s lost the dressing room!!! Really?
We’re in a slump, plain to see, but my god lost dressing room is bit dramatic
You don’t like the manager Hal, same way I never liked Ollie, hold your hands up, cards on the table
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Post by Tarbie on Nov 28, 2019 6:48:27 GMT
I'm not at a stage where I'm calling for the managers head like some on here. But his stubbornness and unwillingness to consider different approaches really concerns me. We've been found out. Every team in this league knows our weaknesses and most are good enough to exploit them.
Les should be sitting down with Warburton today and reading him the riot act. It'll be December next week and still no clean sheet? Something needs to change promptly before this spirals out of control and we end up in a relegation battle!
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Post by Brian Wilson on Nov 28, 2019 7:34:20 GMT
Never mind, we're developing players to sell..... That was the most ridiculous thing I read this week - not the poster who posted it BTW. We'll stick with this system until the players get it right so we can sell them for mega money.... Despite them being League One players and another couple of years older. I posted that. I'll stick to what I said. Club needs direction. As mentioned several times by Lee Hoos etc, it's not sustainable.
People want quick fixes so we can grind out a few draws even if it means throwing everything out the window and starting again...and again...and again. We are not in the relegation zone!
Lumley is going through a really bad spell. He is STILL a good keeper despite being bloody awful last night. I'd give him a break against Derby.
I think Chair should go out on loan to Lge 1 in the new year.
The commentary last night mentioned the "Ryan Manning show" in regard to our only attacks at HT yet he gets continually slated on here as he actually shows for the ball and tries to make something happen rather than hiding like several of our players did last night. Was the same with Luke Freeman last year. Rather see players keeping their heads up than going missing even if nothing is working.
Scowen was good last night but he came from Barnsley rather than Spurs so fans will be on his back again after a few mistakes.
If anyone wants a fist fight, I'm here all day 
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Post by West Acton on Nov 28, 2019 7:45:10 GMT
Willo I agree with you about Chair I would give him another period on loan you can see he’s not quite at this standard yet, he will be with time, but it’s a bit soon
There was good debate pre season about why should we loan out our kids but we’re seeing with Chair now exactly why. He needs learn game in safe environment and come back ready to fire.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2019 8:01:30 GMT
Based on no clean sheets and zero improvement defensively I would be sitting him down today to ask why the 2 points show no signs of any change and tell him things need to change and quickly. If nothing changes then get him moved on as easy on the eye football is great and there is no doubting some of the stuff this season has been fantastic but we cannot afford relegation and the reality is if we do not start keeping clean sheets a half season relegation battle is on the cards and the way we collapsed last night was alarming.
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Post by Brian Wilson on Nov 28, 2019 8:33:28 GMT
The gaps in our back 3 was the most alarming thing for me last night. Hall was playing rb a lot of the time with huge gaps between BFG and Wallace. Ball, Amos, Kane or Manning were rarely dropping back and we were wide open. Thought it was very odd.
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Post by hubble on Nov 28, 2019 9:21:49 GMT
What's that Einstein quote, doing the same thing again and again and expecting a different result is the definition of insanity. Something like that. Warbs needs to take a step back, have a proper think and change the tactics. You have to be pretty damn thick skinned and/or just plain thick to persist with something that so obviously isn't working. Nice idea, hasn't worked, time for plan B. Whaddya mean, there's no plan B?? There bloody better be!
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Post by West Acton on Nov 28, 2019 9:29:36 GMT
The gaps in our back 3 was the most alarming thing for me last night. Hall was playing rb a lot of the time with huge gaps between BFG and Wallace. Ball, Amos, Kane or Manning were rarely dropping back and we were wide open. Thought it was very odd. exactly. To attacking and leaves us vulnerable as none of the defence have change of pace to recover. Think last player who we had who could do that was Ned On occasions both Kane and Manning are ahead of midfield at the same time. |
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Post by shepherdsmush on Nov 28, 2019 9:35:13 GMT
Last night was simply the best defensive side in the league against the worst defensive side in England.
Unfortunately Forest also have a few dangerous attacking players whereas ours were way off the pace.
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Post by alanwycombe on Nov 28, 2019 10:09:28 GMT
Just seen replay of red. There is argument he wasn't last player and it was another 'entitled to go down' bollocks moment.
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Post by croydoncaptainjack on Nov 28, 2019 10:19:03 GMT
Just seen replay of red. There is argument he wasn't last player and it was another 'entitled to go down' bollocks moment. That is what Warbs said. Unfortunately the ref couldn't wait to get that red card out. In fact it was almost as quick as the yellow he got out a minute later for what was arguably a clearer red. |
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Post by James1979 on Nov 28, 2019 11:07:12 GMT
I’m a bit more chilled today. Games are won and lost on fine lines. If Chair had passed it at the end of the 1st half, Wells has tap in for 1-1 at half time. Changes game completely. Forest created little until last 10, when we were knackered with 10 men and chasing game.
Does everyone also remember Lumley doing a pass out at start of 2nd half and it being millimetres from going to there forward for simple goal?
I think we’ve got to be more ruthless with our players. In my view, Hall, Leinster, Ball, Wells, Hugill and Eze need to start every game. These are our core 6. The others should be rotated around to fit in with these 6 or a new formation or based on form.
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Post by hal9thou on Nov 28, 2019 11:38:23 GMT
The players aren't the problem. Take a bang average side (relative to their division), organise them, play to their strengths, and you will outperform expectations.
I've seen this so many times over the years, the latest outstanding example are Blades. Leicester did it and to some extent are still doing it, they also did it in our division if you remember. Going back to pre history, Shankly did it when Liverpool were every bit as bad as we are now. It happens all the time to a greater or lesser extent.
Warburton is making a classic managerial error in the same way Ollie did: he isn't setting up according to team strength. He's setting up according to what he wants us to be, and we haven't got the staff.
If you want them to play out all the time, start with the kids. Imposing a 100% play out philosophy on this lot is insane, you could keep the approach but be more flexible. Play what's in front of you. Simples. And ffs bring in someone who can teach them how to cover and how to hold a line.
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Post by James1979 on Nov 28, 2019 11:40:27 GMT
Yeah that’s fair. We’ve been fooled into thinking the squad is better than it is.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2019 11:45:04 GMT
Yeah that’s fair. We’ve been fooled into thinking the squad is better than it is. We were not fooled by anyone but ourselves with talk of a top 6 finish while shipping goals every week. How many goals have we conceded where it is a free header in our box or by a shit pass out? All points to the same to players who are not good enough to play that way and for a manager that has a total disregard for basic defensive skills. The proof is in that out of 18 games we have condeded 2 or more in 15 of those. |
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Post by James1979 on Nov 28, 2019 11:57:18 GMT
Just me fooled then! Not the first time. I thought Harry Redknapp was a good appointment
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Post by The General on Nov 28, 2019 12:26:33 GMT
Hes a good manager but just needs to chage the formation and defence they are shite
He does need to wake up to this situation very quickly though for his own sake
Almost like Ollie playing wing back for 20 games lost his job for that didnt he in the end
if its not working change it
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