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Post by Stanley75 on Dec 21, 2019 16:57:58 GMT
Once again came from very poor defensive play. Both from unforced errors. Both so easily avoidable with a little more care.
Two points chucked away again!!
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Post by Greg1882 on Dec 21, 2019 17:03:34 GMT
It’s so bloody frustrating. It’s basic shit. Embarrassing defending yet again and so wasteful at the other end. Queen’s Park rangers you never cease to fucking amaze me. Wankers
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Post by 1qprdk on Dec 21, 2019 17:04:43 GMT
We should have won that comfortably. Too many missed chances, and crap defending on top gets you a 2-2 draw. Bit pissed off now, but it´s kinda hilarious, really.
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Post by 1qprdk on Dec 21, 2019 17:06:37 GMT
Just fucking concentrate for the last fucking minute for fucks sake.
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Post by Bill on Dec 21, 2019 17:06:47 GMT
Inexperience naive poor game management poor defensively amd missed chances🙄
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Post by Stanley75 on Dec 21, 2019 17:07:27 GMT
We should have won that comfortably. That is a massive understatement mate. We farking dominated that game (attacking/possession wise)...and Charlton are a really poor side!
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Post by 1qprdk on Dec 21, 2019 17:15:30 GMT
That´s what you get when your strikers can´t score a one on one. If Nahki scores or passes, we are two nil up half time. Hope it doesn´t affect his confidence too much, but he should be ashamed of himself for his efforts today.
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Post by Shania on Dec 21, 2019 17:17:15 GMT
What do we do in training? I thought they were trained at coping with different scenarios. Today Eze should have kept the ball near the byline in the dying seconds. And don`t get me started on our defensive issues and how 6 or 7 of our players let the Charlton player shoot without any sort of pressure.
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Post by The General on Dec 21, 2019 17:46:35 GMT
Defence has been shocking this season
Total Shambles all season
Need to replace both CB s and Kane
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Post by The General on Dec 21, 2019 17:47:18 GMT
Cameron is also shit
Can't pass the fucking ball at all
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Post by Rangers77 on Dec 21, 2019 18:02:41 GMT
Cameron is also shit Can't pass the fucking ball at all Passed it very effectively to the Charlton player to equalize in the 95th min.
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Post by Rangers77 on Dec 21, 2019 18:24:16 GMT
Two assists for Charlton goals....Jesus Christ. What facking awful goals. WTF? And what's wrong with Kane? Why can't he defend?
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Post by Tarbie on Dec 21, 2019 18:30:43 GMT
Jesus Christ. What facking awful goals. WTF? And what's wrong with Kane? Why can't he defend? I said similar on the match thread about Kane mate. He's a right back with very limited defensive skills. Looks great bombing forward when we are in possession, but defensively he's poor. Gets caught out of position a lot, also doesn't head or tackle particularly well. Hard to fathom how he's ended up plying his trade as a defender. Looks more like a midfielder to me. Ditto Manning on the other side too!
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Post by West Acton on Dec 21, 2019 18:55:57 GMT
Jesus Christ. What facking awful goals. WTF? And what's wrong with Kane? Why can't he defend? I said similar on the match thread about Kane mate. He's a right back with very limited defensive skills. Looks great bombing forward when we are in possession, but defensively he's poor. Gets caught out of position a lot, also doesn't head or tackle particularly well. Hard to fathom how he's ended up plying his trade as a defender. Looks more like a midfielder to me. Ditto Manning on the other side too! this is the significant problem. We have two FB who cannot defend. Leaves us really vulnerable If the rumoured £5mil offer from wolves for manning is true I would snap there hand off as that’s 4mil more then he’s worth
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Post by Tarbie on Dec 21, 2019 19:03:23 GMT
Hadn't heard that rumour Westy. Paper talk, or something you've heard on the grapevine?
Agree though, 5m quid would be a very decent return for Manning. He'll never cut it at Left Back in the Prem though. Can only assume Wolves feel he can be developed into a decent Winger if there is truth in this rumour.
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Post by Shania on Dec 21, 2019 19:29:40 GMT
Eustace did a good job with us last season, so why can`t he organise this team into a better unit? Not at all saying Warburton should walk, but sure a management team is just that - a team?
I do also have to say that I feel Hugill is far, far from the player I thought we were getting. His shooting is shocking at times..
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Post by West Acton on Dec 21, 2019 19:31:55 GMT
Was there player offside for equaliser?
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Post by Tarbie on Dec 21, 2019 19:34:38 GMT
He was stood offside mate, but it came off Cameron's head which played him onside.
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Post by esoxlucius on Dec 21, 2019 19:42:19 GMT
I agree Manning certainly didn't look like our most expensive player today, almost anything good he did was offset by a mistake. Wells had a very bad off day but I am going to leave it at that. Lumley had a very good game, along with Hall, Leistner, Amos and Pugh. I would have included Geoff Cameron in that lot but for that shocking header at the death. Hugill... not for me thanks; very good at shithousing but leans back at just about every shot he takes. Eze was doing a lot more hard work today but playing very deep until Wells went off and then he seemed to come into his own with Chair & BOS who would have been a candidate for MOTM if he had been on a bit longer. Kane, as noted above, very good going forward but weak defensively and Scowen wasn't on long enough to make much impression and MW could just as easily have left Amos on. The ref was shit for both sides and despite QPR spurning so many good chances they still should have had a penalty for the ball that Darren Pratley handled and the if the guy wrestling Hugill to the ground with his shirt halfway up his back wasn't a penalty then I haven't been going to football for almost 55 years. A draw that feels like a defeat has a silver lining I suppose but I am struggling at the moment to see it; still only 18 points from safety and it's not even Christmas yet.
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Post by West Acton on Dec 21, 2019 19:42:50 GMT
But if he was off from first ball the flick off Cameron’s head would not have mattered it would have been flagged. He must have been on?
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Post by Tarbie on Dec 21, 2019 19:46:22 GMT
But if he was off from first ball the flick off Cameron’s head would not have mattered it would have been flagged. He must have been on? Don't he was onside at any point mate, but I'd need to watch it back. Also not 100% what the interpretation is of that these days. I think the minute it comes off a defender everyone is considered onside.
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Post by West Acton on Dec 21, 2019 19:46:49 GMT
I thought Cameron was pretty poor today. Missed most tackles and kept giving ball away
I’m prob alone saying and thinking this but Manning is crap, I would get shot of him. One of the most over hyped players I’ve watched in the hoops but for some bizarre reason fans seem to love him.
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Post by West Acton on Dec 21, 2019 19:49:47 GMT
But if he was off from first ball the flick off Cameron’s head would not have mattered it would have been flagged. He must have been on? Don't he was onside at any point mate, but I'd need to watch it back. Also not 100% what the interpretation is of that these days. I think the minute it comes off a defender everyone is considered onside. but if your offside when ball is taken flag would go up surely, hitting defender has to be irrelevant. Don’t see how first infringement is cancelled out by it touching defending player. There was not enough time to say there was second phase to negate first one. Suppose all depends on how rule is worded.
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Post by Tarbie on Dec 21, 2019 19:50:31 GMT
I thought Cameron was pretty poor today. Missed most tackles and kept giving ball away I’m prob alone saying and thinking this but Manning is crap, I would get shot of him. One of the most over hyped players I’ve watched in the hoops but for some bizarre reason fans seem to love him. He's got a great left foot on him mate. 3 assists from Left Back so far this season. I just think we are utilising him wrong. He's not positionally or defensively strong enough to make it as a defender. We should be trying to develop him into a left sided midfielder in my opinion.
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Dec 21, 2019 19:51:45 GMT
Harvey Weinstein has a better defense than us
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Post by Tarbie on Dec 21, 2019 19:54:01 GMT
Don't he was onside at any point mate, but I'd need to watch it back. Also not 100% what the interpretation is of that these days. I think the minute it comes off a defender everyone is considered onside. but if your offside when ball is taken flag would go up surely, hitting defender has to be irrelevant. Don’t see how first infringement is cancelled out by it touching defending player. There was not enough time to say there was second phase to negate first one. Suppose all depends on how rule is worded. Not interfering with play til the ball reaches you under the current interpretation of the offside laws mate, are you? As you say mate, all comes down to the wording etc. I suspect it was probably onside though as per how the refs are currently being instructed.
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Post by alanwycombe on Dec 21, 2019 19:56:56 GMT
I thought Cameron was pretty poor today. Missed most tackles and kept giving ball away I’m prob alone saying and thinking this but Manning is crap, I would get shot of him. One of the most over hyped players I’ve watched in the hoops but for some bizarre reason fans seem to love him. You are not alone.
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Dec 21, 2019 19:58:17 GMT
I thought Cameron was pretty poor today. Missed most tackles and kept giving ball away I’m prob alone saying and thinking this but Manning is crap, I would get shot of him. One of the most over hyped players I’ve watched in the hoops but for some bizarre reason fans seem to love him. You are not alone. No crap Jacko songs please
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Post by esoxlucius on Dec 21, 2019 19:59:51 GMT
I thought Cameron was pretty poor today. Missed most tackles and kept giving ball away I’m prob alone saying and thinking this but Manning is crap, I would get shot of him. One of the most over hyped players I’ve watched in the hoops but for some bizarre reason fans seem to love him. NO-ONE in our squad is crap. Crap is what you get watching Sunday morning park football with hungover idiots trying to clog lumps out of each other. Every one of our squad has been deemed good enough to earn a contract playing Championship level football; trust me, as one whose highest level was Isthmian League Division 6, QPR do not have any crap players in the squad.
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Post by Tarbie on Dec 21, 2019 20:02:18 GMT
I thought Cameron was pretty poor today. Missed most tackles and kept giving ball away I’m prob alone saying and thinking this but Manning is crap, I would get shot of him. One of the most over hyped players I’ve watched in the hoops but for some bizarre reason fans seem to love him. You are not alone. Ball is a far better bet than Cameron in that holding role for me, from what I've seen this season.
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