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Post by Rangers77 on Dec 29, 2019 17:03:52 GMT
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Albert Einstein.....
Warburton is a fucking moron. He has the shittiest defence in the league. And does nothing to change it. Nothing. What's the fucking point of Lee Wallace? His subs always weaken the team. Tippy tappy shit across the back four every game. Enough is becoming enough. Seriously pissed off. And trying hard not to call for his head. Moron. Hull are piss poor. And easily took those three points.
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Dec 29, 2019 17:04:58 GMT
Forrest fans warned us
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Post by Stanley75 on Dec 29, 2019 17:24:02 GMT
Hull are piss poor. And easily took those three points. Yup. This is the insane thing about it. |
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Post by Rangers77 on Dec 29, 2019 17:26:30 GMT
As someone says on Twitter
FORTY SEVEN goals conceded in 25 matches.
ONE POINT from Barnsley, Charlton, Reading, Hull
TWO WINS in 13 matches.
Stats that lead to a sacking tbh. Especially when he repeats the same mistakes again and again and again.
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Dec 29, 2019 17:27:43 GMT
Some asked for consistency
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Post by Timmy Doc on Dec 29, 2019 17:36:30 GMT
I think Hall and Leistner partnership have been solid lately.
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Post by alanwycombe on Dec 29, 2019 18:00:32 GMT
Why take off players who are playing well - one arguably his best game for us? Why can't we take a decent free kick or corner? Why do we insist on tapping free kicks back and across when we could create a chance... Err, a bit like Hull did at the end?
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Post by Rangers77 on Dec 29, 2019 18:00:37 GMT
As someone says on Twitter FORTY SEVEN goals conceded in 25 matches. ONE POINT from Barnsley, Charlton, Reading, Hull TWO WINS in 13 matches. Stats that lead to a sacking tbh. Especially when he repeats the same mistakes again and again and again. The target was staying up this season... He's not going anywhere when he has clearly met his objectives and we are clearly improving. He's pissing away a half decent team through his dumbass stupidity. That's unacceptable. |
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Post by Tarbie on Dec 29, 2019 18:09:29 GMT
Its annoying ain't it?
The Manager has done great in the transfer market, he's got us playing some of the best attacking football I've seen at Loftus Road in years but he's that bad defensively that I'm actually starting to come round to the argument that he might not last the season.
Why can't he just work on the defensive side of our game a bit? 😡
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Post by Shania on Dec 29, 2019 18:33:46 GMT
I`m not sure I would trust him with much money available.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2019 20:54:18 GMT
He's pissing away a half decent team through his dumbass stupidity. That's unacceptable. A side assembled for pittance because few other clubs wanted them... Midtable - 10th is a great result with this side. Millwall seem to be doing ok with not much outlay now they have someone to set them up and organise them. |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Dec 29, 2019 21:18:16 GMT
Hello Mark.your challenge this new season is to defend a lead.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2019 21:19:42 GMT
Millwall seem to be doing ok with not much outlay now they have someone to set them up and organise them. Millwall spent far more money than we did and have a squad which has played together, for the most part, for the a number of seasons now. Our current squad cost less than £1.5m and most of the players have been with us for less than 2 seasons. The only thing Warburton hasn't got right yet is the defensive fragility. The board set him a target which he has emphatically met and he won't be going anywhere. Next season he'll be set another challenge. Emphatically met? As for Millwall they also lost their top scorer of recent seasons and laid out money through player sales. There form since Rowett took over tells you all you need to know about clued up managers. 47 goals in 25 games does not seem to me like anything but faliure long term. |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Dec 29, 2019 21:21:59 GMT
The mad osterich has turned watford around,
And another 1000 copies of his boys movie
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2019 21:29:59 GMT
Emphatically met? As for Millwall they also lost their top scorer of recent seasons and laid out money through player sales. There form since Rowett took over tells you all you need to know about clued up managers. 47 goals in 25 games does not seem to me like anything but faliure long term. The target Warburton set was to keep us up. We are on course for a midtable finish. Millwall twice broke their record transfer fee last season and most of their players have been with the club for longer than 2 seasons. The point you seem to be ignoring those same players that cost them money and been there for 2 years were going nowhere under Harris. Once Rowett came in and organised them the results are there to see. Very early to think we will be midtable when we gift goals game after game which ultimately cost us points. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2019 21:40:45 GMT
The point you seem to be ignoring those same players that cost them money and been there for 2 years were going nowhere under Harris. Once Rowett came in and organised them the results are there to see. Very early to think we will be midtable when we gift goals game after game which ultimately cost us points. The point you seem to be ignoring is that Millwall had to cough up money to buy those players. They were considered among the best players at clubs and Millwall had to twice break their transfer record fee to acquire them. The players at Mark Warburton's disposal are mainly from the bargain bucket and were scraps who no one wanted. What he has achieved with this squad is a sign that he is clued up. Yes, there are issues with conceding goals but we are among the highest scorers and among the most attractive sides to watch this season. This isn't Player Manager 2020 but real life and what he has done should be applauded and he will more than earn his bonus in May. I am glad you pointed out that player manager part as that is exactly how this guy has managed. 47 league goals in 25 games tells you he is a hopeless manager on a defensive basis and as rightly point out we are scraping around poundland for rubbish so how do we expect to outscore teams game on game? Attractive football yes but no good if we get dragged into a relegation fight which is by no means something we can ignore. |
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Post by Rangers77 on Dec 29, 2019 21:41:24 GMT
The point you seem to be ignoring those same players that cost them money and been there for 2 years were going nowhere under Harris. Once Rowett came in and organised them the results are there to see. Very early to think we will be midtable when we gift goals game after game which ultimately cost us points. The point you seem to be ignoring is that Millwall had to cough up money to buy those players. They were considered among the best players at clubs and Millwall had to twice break their transfer record fee to acquire them. The players at Mark Warburton's disposal are mainly from the bargain bucket and were scraps who no one wanted. What he has achieved with this squad is a sign that he is clued up. Yes, there are issues with conceding goals but we are among the highest scorers and among the most attractive sides to watch this season. This isn't Player Manager 2020 but real life and what he has done should be applauded and he will more than earn his bonus in May. Come on. He might not yet deserve the sack, but there are worrying signs. He certainly deserves a bollocking for being so shit at setting us up defensively and winning only 2 in 13. |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Dec 29, 2019 21:43:06 GMT
It's a results game.you can play the sexiest football in world and loose.you don't win many you go down.
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Post by Rangers77 on Dec 29, 2019 21:43:41 GMT
Just listened to the interview: "Nahki held the ball up well". Huh? Fuck right off with that shit, fella. He didn't hold it up once.
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Post by Tarbie on Dec 29, 2019 21:51:05 GMT
The point you seem to be ignoring is that Millwall had to cough up money to buy those players. They were considered among the best players at clubs and Millwall had to twice break their transfer record fee to acquire them. The players at Mark Warburton's disposal are mainly from the bargain bucket and were scraps who no one wanted. What he has achieved with this squad is a sign that he is clued up. Yes, there are issues with conceding goals but we are among the highest scorers and among the most attractive sides to watch this season. This isn't Player Manager 2020 but real life and what he has done should be applauded and he will more than earn his bonus in May. I am glad you pointed out that player manager part as that is exactly how this guy has managed. 47 league goals in 25 games tells you he is a hopeless manager on a defensive basis and as rightly point out we are scraping around poundland for rubbish so how do we expect to outscore teams game on game? Attractive football yes but no good if we get dragged into a relegation fight which is by no means something we can ignore. Absolutely right mate. If we are team put together on a shoestring (which we are), we should be looking to build our game around keeping it tight and earning clean sheets, just liked Hull tried to do today. Teams that typically do well out of Warburton's swashbuckling, attacking style of football are normally teams that have been put together with reasonable transfer budgets. I don't really understand how Warburton thinks he can play this way every week with our calibre of players at the back and not concede more than we score. Stop holding such a high line (although that has improved as the season has gone on), if you are gonna send your full backs bombing forward make sure there is cover, and defend/mark properly at set pieces. If we did those things and relied on BOS, Chair and Eze working a bit of magic when we have possession I actually reckon we'd be capable of wining games 1-0, rather than losing them 2-1. |
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Post by Shania on Dec 29, 2019 21:53:56 GMT
Nakhi Wells was positioned far too deep today. Not his(Wells)fault, I guess.
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Post by Corbray on Dec 29, 2019 21:55:17 GMT
it wouldn't be a problem if it didn't keep happening EVERY GAME. theres being unlucky and then theres us and it gets to a point where the blame has to be laid at the managers feet.
its incredibly frustrating as for the most part we have been the better team in a few of the games we've lost but enough is enough with the constant mistakes, poor subs and wrong set-ups that we play. what on earth is going on in training?! i refuse to believe that its just the players regardless of how much we've spent, we still have a good squad here with many of our players being good enough for this level!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2019 22:00:26 GMT
I am glad you pointed out that player manager part as that is exactly how this guy has managed. 47 league goals in 25 games tells you he is a hopeless manager on a defensive basis and as rightly point out we are scraping around poundland for rubbish so how do we expect to outscore teams game on game? Attractive football yes but no good if we get dragged into a relegation fight which is by no means something we can ignore. What do you think we should do? Buy Virgil Van Dijk or Pique? Maybe lower our expectations and buy Kongolo? Have you not thought that, just maybe, we don't have the players we'd need to be more organised at the back without being more detrimental to our abilities to win games? Have you not noticed that buying players for millions from AC Milan was not the way we should have been doing things and not the way we can do things? I'm not being antagonistic or patronising but we have no money. We are broke. We all know we need a new Goalkeeper - the centre back pairing isn't the problem at all - but we have no money. The option is to play 3 CBs with wing-backs and 1 up front or how it is now. At least we can win games with the current set up and we should have done so today and against Charlton. So that leaves you, and people like you, with two options: 1) Support the team 2) moan But whatever you choose to do Mark Warburton is rightly staying and has the support of the board. Managers should have a variety ways of winning a game especially when we have been put together the way we have as we do not have the players to play his way all over the pitch. Defence is as important as attacking as for all our outstanding play we find ourselves in the bottom 10 due to a lack of defending. |
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Post by Shania on Dec 29, 2019 22:08:59 GMT
Nakhi Wells was positioned far too deep today. Not his(Wells)fault, I guess. He drifts too far back. Amos has taken over the box-to-box role and we don't need Wells to come back so often. No, could be.  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2019 22:09:08 GMT
Managers should have a variety ways of winning a game especially when we have been put together the way we have as we do not have the players to play his way all over the pitch. Defence is as important as attacking as for all our outstanding play we find ourselves in the bottom 10 due to a lack of defending. What's the solution then? Name your starting XI and how they will line up. A manager who earns a living as a coach should work that part out especially after 6 months day in day out in training not a punter who pays to watch. Go back to Millwall the personell has not changed but how he has them set up has. |
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Post by Tarbie on Dec 29, 2019 22:09:52 GMT
It's not about the line up SW. His team selections are fine. It's about the mindset, having a specific game plan for each game and ensuring you are identifying and working on areas that are going wrong.
Hull had us sussed from the first minute today. Come to Loftus Rd, set up 2 banks of 4, keep it tight and you get chances to score as we are so bad at the back. Easiest 3 points away they'll get all season. Both goals came Christmas gift wrapped!
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Post by Shania on Dec 29, 2019 22:17:21 GMT
He is not excatly a strategist.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2019 22:30:14 GMT
Should have won? How many points do you get for should have won games?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2019 22:40:29 GMT
Should have won? How many points do you get for should have won games? Have a lovely rest of the evening mate and a Happy New Year. We're on two very different paths here and there is no convergence along the road. 👍 I see a team who are good to watch but are throwing away games due to a manager's stubborness and inability to have a plan b which we were aware of from his spells at previous clubs that moved him on. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2019 22:41:57 GMT
A manager who earns a living as a coach should work that part out especially after 6 months day in day out in training not a punter who pays to watch. Go back to Millwall the personell has not changed but how he has them set up has. So you haven't got a solution then.... I'm not giving Warburton 10 out of 10 or suggesting the Freeman of Shepherd's Bush. He's not the Messiah and he's not getting everything right. But FFS, give the man credit where its due. Our team is full of has beens, never will be and wannabes. Its from Lidl and yet, here we are, favourites to be relegated in August sitting comfortably in midtable and a couple of results away from challenging the play offs. And you need to get over this obsession with Millwall. Most of their squad has been with them for a few seasons or more and they heavily invested last year. Also Neil Harris took them to the brink of the Play Offs two seasons ago but was hindered by the FA Cup run to the Qtr Finals and last season was 1 minute from taking them to the FA Cup Semi finals which also, like us as a consequence of our less successful cup run last season, played havoc with the back end of the season. They had also only lost 3 games in the league at the time of his sacking - Fulham, us and Blackburn. The reason he quit - he wasn't sacked - is because their idiots had started to abuse his family at matches. I am from that part of the World and know Millwall well. So they are not the right club to draw comparisons with for a whole array of reasons. Obsession not pointing out what a good manager can do when you have a team organised. |
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