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Post by alanwycombe on Feb 12, 2020 1:23:33 GMT
6000 miles away so can't comment but is a point more than I thought we'd get so happy with that and the encouraging posts.
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Post by Corbray on Feb 12, 2020 2:27:03 GMT
my MOTM would be either kelly, manning or barbet. kelly didn't do anything spectacular but had a real solid game
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Post by Tarbie on Feb 12, 2020 5:50:17 GMT
Anyone else starting to look down the table and worry a bit?
I know last night wasn't a bad performance and actually was probably a point that a lot of us didn't expect to get, but Swansea were absolutely there for the taking and we couldn't put them away.
Hugill is a very frustrating player. He has nights (like last night) where he could play for 180 minutes and not score. Eze has also gone right off the boil (and I know I'm probably contradicting some of the positive stuff I was saying about him a few months back), but it worries me how this seems to happen with him 2nd half of the season. His set pieces are also woeful and getting worse.
We are only 9 points from the drop with 14 games left to play. We are most likely going to have to dig out another 3 or 4 wins. I'm honestly a little bit concerned that we may not have it in us.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2020 7:21:22 GMT
Anyone else starting to look down the table and worry a bit? I know last night wasn't a bad performance and actually was probably a point that a lot of us didn't expect to get, but Swansea were absolutely there for the taking and we couldn't put them away. Hugill is a very frustrating player. He has nights (like last night) where he could play for 180 minutes and not score. Eze has also gone right off the boil (and I know I'm probably contradicting some of the positive stuff I was saying about him a few months back), but it worries me how this seems to happen with him 2nd half of the season. His set pieces are also woeful and getting worse. We are only 9 points from the drop with 14 games left to play. We are most likely going to have to dig out another 3 or 4 wins. I'm honestly a little bit concerned that we may not have it in us. I said when Wells went I worry about where the goals will come from as Hugill is just not good enough a finisher. 3 games with no goals is not going to ease the concern especially as we are not blessed in the front line department.
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Post by esoxlucius on Feb 12, 2020 8:34:31 GMT
Anyone else starting to look down the table and worry a bit? I know last night wasn't a bad performance and actually was probably a point that a lot of us didn't expect to get, but Swansea were absolutely there for the taking and we couldn't put them away. Hugill is a very frustrating player. He has nights (like last night) where he could play for 180 minutes and not score. Eze has also gone right off the boil (and I know I'm probably contradicting some of the positive stuff I was saying about him a few months back), but it worries me how this seems to happen with him 2nd half of the season. His set pieces are also woeful and getting worse. We are only 9 points from the drop with 14 games left to play. We are most likely going to have to dig out another 3 or 4 wins. I'm honestly a little bit concerned that we may not have it in us. Not really, Wigan, our nearest threat, will only get to 42-44 points by the end of the season with their average over the 32 games so far being less than a point a game. QPR average over the season has been 1.2 points a game which should see us hitting 56 points at the end; even knocking 6 points off that because Nahki was stolen from us leaves us fairly safe IMO. Secondly, if that was Eze gone right off the boil last night you have some very unrealistic expectations of him. He was pulling the strings in midfield all night and Swansea could do no more than constantly foul him to cut off his threat, it was the same in the last game against Huddersfield in the first half. He will be struggling in the second half of the season because he has played in every game and I think he needs a rest, like Manning did, to recharge the batteries but I wouldn't say he has gone right off the boil. Don't forget that this is only his second full season for us with a lot of responsibility on his shoulders and his return in goals and assists this season is creditable.
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Post by Tarbie on Feb 12, 2020 8:42:53 GMT
Christ Esox. Your glass is so half full its overflowing!
Did you see that corner from Eze that nearly went for a throw in our own half? All about opinions I guess, but I didn't see a great performance from Eze last night. And given the rut we are in, he's a guy we really need to step up right now. Might be a lot to put on the shoulders of a young lad, but if he's the top top player in the making that he's being painted as, it's situations like these where he should be showing what he's made of.
I'm also not sure I buy into your rather simplistic mathematical view of what's required. When the chips are down and clubs are fighting for survival, strange results can happen. There will be a few sides with nothing to play for that will roll over against the relegation threatened sides. Happens every year. We need to make sure we stay well out of it. And unfortunately we are only 2 or 3 more winless games from potentially being dragged into it.
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Post by spongeparr on Feb 12, 2020 9:02:41 GMT
I was happy with that display. It isn't very often we watch a game where we are away from home and think we should win. Bearing in mind Swansea are above us and are thinking about the play offs.
I thought Barbet showed what we were missing. Composed on the ball and pinging passes into feet with pace. Bypassing midfield with a long ball o nteh deck is a skill and he has that.
Manning played well also. I thought Ball was also good. Agreed that Hugil and Pugh coming off for a bit of pace at the end where it was a bit more stretched would have worked wonders (in my mind). Bringing on Clarke and Oteh would have given them something different to think about.
Overall, a very solid display. I dont think Kelly had to make a save? The confidence that clean sheet will hopefully give will be good for the next game.
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Post by Brian Wilson on Feb 12, 2020 9:51:10 GMT
Don't think Eze has gone off the boil at all. As for Hugill, can't fault his effort and put in a big shift last night but not much worked for him in front of goal. Tough job playing up front on your own away from home. Don't think we are in any real relegation danger.
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Post by esoxlucius on Feb 12, 2020 11:48:51 GMT
Christ Esox. Your glass is so half full its overflowing! Did you see that corner from Eze that nearly went for a throw in our own half? All about opinions I guess, but I didn't see a great performance from Eze last night. And given the rut we are in, he's a guy we really need to step up right now. Might be a lot to put on the shoulders of a young lad, but if he's the top top player in the making that he's being painted as, it's situations like these where he should be showing what he's made of. I'm also not sure I buy into your rather simplistic mathematical view of what's required. When the chips are down and clubs are fighting for survival, strange results can happen. There will be a few sides with nothing to play for that will roll over against the relegation threatened sides. Happens every year. We need to make sure we stay well out of it. And unfortunately we are only 2 or 3 more winless games from potentially being dragged into it. Christ Tarbie. Your glass is so half empty its it is almost dessicated. I AM sure that empirical evidence is a lot more to be trusted than a negative opinion, even if you knock off 5-6 points because we don't have the guy who scored 27% of our league goals we would still finish 5-6 points above Wigan, our nearest threat. "When the chips are down and clubs are fighting for survival, strange results can happen" does this mean you think that all the other clubs will suddenly outperform their seasonal averages and we will decimate ours? We are more than 2/3rds of the way into the season and have played all the teams at least once. Past performances are no indication of future results and all that but fuck me, have you NO faith at all in the club? I am sure and certain that if last night had been a kick bollock and bite performance with us clearing the ball off the line countless times and some last ditch tackles and headers there would be a lot of people saying that was more like it etc. yet we would still have only one point. The corner was a training routine gone wrong as Manning had moved from the position he was supposed to be in but if that was all you saw in Eze's performance last night then I don't have a hope in hell of convincing you that he was one of the best players on the pitch last night. I think he needs a game or two off to show people what he brings to a game, plus he has been carrying the weight of being the playmaker for two seasons now and he tired last season and I think he is tiring this season so a couple off will do him no harm at all.
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Post by The General on Feb 12, 2020 11:54:17 GMT
9 points can reduce very quickly chaps i dont think we are safe by any means atm
Also all the teams at the bottom start winning too towards the end of the season
Anyone who thinks we are safe already is deluded.
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Post by Stanley75 on Feb 12, 2020 12:01:23 GMT
It's not so much that Eze's form has dipped, more that teams are doubling up players on him now, so is having less opportunities to stand out. Was better at dealing with that last night though. Less so on his set pieces.
Re Kelly, yes he didn't have much to do but what he did was done well and confidently. So he inspires confidence in his defenders (and the fans); is more consistent and you don't feel he has a regular clanger in him like Lumley, IOW better concentration levels.
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Post by spongeparr on Feb 12, 2020 12:17:51 GMT
9 points can reduce very quickly chaps i dont think we are safe by any means atm Also all the teams at the bottom start winning too towards the end of the season Anyone who thinks we are safe already is deluded. You're right it can, but you are talking as if we wouldn't pick up any points from now until the end of the season. As others have said, we'll win more games and we will lose more games. We are boring midtable again but we won't go on a 7 match losing run like past years.
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Post by Tarbie on Feb 12, 2020 12:19:54 GMT
9 points can reduce very quickly chaps i dont think we are safe by any means atm Also all the teams at the bottom start winning too towards the end of the season Anyone who thinks we are safe already is deluded. Pretty much what I was trying to say General. As for your response Esox, I don't see the point of playing tidy football if we can't find a way to win. What I saw last night was a team that could have carried on playing for another 90 mins and still probably wouldn't have found a way to win. But as I say, that's just my opinion. And it ain't me being negative as you suggest, I've been anything but that this season.
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Post by West Acton on Feb 12, 2020 12:30:59 GMT
Not personally worried about relegation. Two wins maybe three, which we will get between now and end of the season, So I’m not concerned Shame season Has come to the point where we’re even discussing it given how we started season.
If we get three wins means Wigan have to win five games just to be level on points, they have won seven games all season! ! !
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Post by Stanley75 on Feb 12, 2020 12:35:25 GMT
What I saw last night was a team that could have carried on playing for another 90 mins and still probably wouldn't have found a way to win. Indeed - which is an inevitability when you lose your top scorer and best finisher. Zero goals in our last three games suggests that our other attacking players haven't yet compensated for that loss.
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Post by Tarbie on Feb 12, 2020 12:38:18 GMT
What I saw last night was a team that could have carried on playing for another 90 mins and still probably wouldn't have found a way to win. Indeed - which is an inevitability when you lose your top scorer and best finisher. Zero goals in our last three games suggests that our other attacking players haven't yet compensated for that loss. And this again is part of the point I was trying to make. We've been hemorrhaging goals all season but have been getting away with it cos we've been scoring loads too. We've now lost our top goal scorer and the goals from the midfield also look to have dried up a bit. If we continue to struggle in front of goal like this it won't take long at all to get sucked into a relegation battle.
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Post by The General on Feb 12, 2020 12:52:06 GMT
Tarbs your not negative just realistic
Sometimes if you dont agree with some posters You are accused of being negative like I was last week its all just opinions mate
Crack on mate
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Post by Shania on Feb 12, 2020 13:21:26 GMT
I hope shoring up the defence like we it did last night will eventually result in goals. It breeds confidence through the whole team.
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Post by esoxlucius on Feb 12, 2020 13:35:21 GMT
Tarbs your not negative just realistic Sometimes if you don't agree with some posters You are accused of being negative like I was last week its all just opinions mate Crack on mate So being positive about our chances is NOT realistic? As pointed out by others in this thread; you've created a scenario in your head that all the teams below us will go on amazing winning streaks and we will lose enough of ours to be in trouble? I'll tell you what; if we get relegated, I'll buy you a pint in the C&S before our first home game next season and if we stay up, I'll let you buy me a pre match falafel at Mr Falafel's in the market at the same game. How's that?
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Post by shepherdsmush on Feb 12, 2020 13:42:34 GMT
Proper dull game last night but a real defensive showing.
Need some composure up top as we should have been out of sight by half time.
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Post by awin on Feb 12, 2020 14:25:22 GMT
No one wants to get relegated No one loves the FFP restrictions
On that I’m sure we all agree, it’s how we cope trying to balance the two that is the issue.
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Post by West Acton on Feb 12, 2020 14:30:03 GMT
Tarbs your not negative just realistic Sometimes if you don't agree with some posters You are accused of being negative like I was last week its all just opinions mate Crack on mate So being positive about our chances is NOT realistic? As pointed out by others in this thread; you've created a scenario in your head that all the teams below us will go on amazing winning streaks and we will lose enough of ours to be in trouble? I'll tell you what; if we get relegated, I'll buy you a pint in the C&S before our first home game next season and if we stay up, I'll let you buy me a pre match falafel at Mr Falafel's in the market at the same game. How's that? which is more expensive a pint or falafel 😂
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Post by esoxlucius on Feb 12, 2020 15:49:47 GMT
So being positive about our chances is NOT realistic? As pointed out by others in this thread; you've created a scenario in your head that all the teams below us will go on amazing winning streaks and we will lose enough of ours to be in trouble? I'll tell you what; if we get relegated, I'll buy you a pint in the C&S before our first home game next season and if we stay up, I'll let you buy me a pre match falafel at Mr Falafel's in the market at the same game. How's that? which is more expensive a pint or falafel 😂 About £6 each? I haven't had a beer in there since early last season and it was about a fiver IIRC.
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Post by The General on Feb 12, 2020 16:19:25 GMT
Pint or Fellatio 6 quid sounds cheap
Mmmm no brainer that
Ps im glad your so convinced we will stay up i will sleep well tonight now.
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Post by Corbray on Feb 12, 2020 16:21:40 GMT
Pint or Fellatio 6 quid sounds cheap Mmmm no brainer that Ps im glad your so convinced we will stay up i will sleep well tonight now. he only asked for falafel, gen! you don't need to suck him off! 😂😂
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Post by Brian Wilson on Feb 12, 2020 16:26:39 GMT
Pint or Fellatio 6 quid sounds cheap Mmmm no brainer that Ps im glad your so convinced we will stay up i will sleep well tonight now. Fuckin hell General, surely buying the falafel is a better option..or is it? - 6 quid is cheap for a suckjob though.
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Post by Hitman34 on Feb 12, 2020 16:29:54 GMT
#gothead
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Post by esoxlucius on Feb 12, 2020 16:42:31 GMT
Pint or Fellatio 6 quid sounds cheap Mmmm no brainer that Ps im glad your so convinced we will stay up i will sleep well tonight now. Not interested then?
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Post by The General on Feb 12, 2020 16:50:34 GMT
I didnt say that we would get relegated , i said it is still possible Esox
Which it is ,
I was actually responding to Tarbie post who was saying that it could still happen
Which it could , but was accused of being negative for a statement that was actually still possible
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2020 17:43:57 GMT
If the goal drought continues then of course we could be dragged into a dogfight which could mean us going down. If our centre forward starts putting chances away then we should be ok. 3 games since Wells went with no goals makes you fear for us.
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