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Post by alanwycombe on Nov 1, 2020 12:46:43 GMT
Drop Barbet ASAP total liability that we cannot afford anymore Agree, but he'll drop Masterson. Think about it though, depending on which poster - me included - we wouldn't pick one or more of Kane, Masterson, Barbet, Hamalainen, Cameron, Chair, Carroll or BOS but they all played yesterday and it was the best performance and result so far. What's our best team then? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2020 12:49:37 GMT
Modern managers do talk some pony about 'physicality' and fitness - and I'm not singling out MW. Truth is at our level they play no more games than they used to. (And before Westy jumps on me I'm not talking about ancient times, let's say from the 80s on) The game is far less physical than it was, in terms of getting kicked all over the place, and they are fitter than ever now with their diets and recovery programmes. Let's see what team he puts out midweek because there is an important factor in the game - momentum. Ball got us the points in an extraordinary way so I don't think that team is IT but you don't change a winning team, you go again. Do we want to hear he had to make changes because of fatigue if we do poorly? Two games a week? The only thing that I can think of that’s changed since the 80s is the lack of real competitive reserve team football I.e the Football Combination League. I know we now have what’s called Under 23 or development team matches but are they competitive enough for new players joining or for rusty or out of form players to gain any meaningful use from it especially if they are already considered to be first team players. Another point worth noting is the transfer market and the loan system was always open. |
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Post by West Acton on Nov 1, 2020 14:16:25 GMT
Sounds like there’s a lot of emphasis behind the scenes on sports science, fitness levels etc. Basically, a player might not put a foot wrong in a match but find themselves out of the team for the next game if there’s any doubt about their level of recovery. This is obviously something that all clubs do to a degree but I wonder it’s an aspect of the game that he pays particular attention. They are of course professional athletes and will be fit enough stamina wise to play two games a week but I suppose it’s all about the little knocks, muscle tightness etc that he’s worried about and whether starting a player who might have a tight hammy or calf might backfire with them developing a more serious injury and end up out for weeks. I agree. Fans can be quick to hammer a manger over a team selection without always knowing the full story behind these decisions. spot on.all good and well having opinion but this is not football from 70/80s like it or not this is modern day totally different game |
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Post by alanwycombe on Nov 1, 2020 14:26:18 GMT
I agree. Fans can be quick to hammer a manger over a team selection without always knowing the full story behind these decisions. spot on.all good and well having opinion but this is not football from 70/80s like it or not this is modern day different game What's different about fitness and athleticism then? Is it worse now, so they have to play less often? |
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Post by West Acton on Nov 1, 2020 14:48:35 GMT
Heard it was fantastic living in caves
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Post by itsonlyagame on Nov 1, 2020 16:08:06 GMT
Modern managers do talk some pony about 'physicality' and fitness - and I'm not singling out MW. Truth is at our level they play no more games than they used to. (And before Westy jumps on me I'm not talking about ancient times, let's say from the 80s on) The game is far less physical than it was, in terms of getting kicked all over the place, and they are fitter than ever now with their diets and recovery programmes. Let's see what team he puts out midweek because there is an important factor in the game - momentum. Ball got us the points in an extraordinary way so I don't think that team is IT but you don't change a winning team, you go again. Do we want to hear he had to make changes because of fatigue if we do poorly? Two games a week? Agree about momentum Alan, it’s a huge part of a teams success. And fatigue certainly shouldn’t be an issue at this stage of the season. Trouble is, momentum is lost just as easily if we start losing players to injuries which could have been avoided if they’d been allowed to recover properly. They do seem more delicate these days, far more so than in the 80s when I was a teenage watching the likes of Waddock, Maguire and Mark Dennis getting stuck in😆 |
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Post by 1qprdk on Nov 1, 2020 22:27:16 GMT
hey do seem more delicate these days Think there is a real point here regarding muscle strengt vs tendon strength. Old school footballers spent more time on the pitch and less time in the gym, would be my guess. Hence they were slower with less powerful muscles, but they quite possibly had stronger tendons. Think you or someone else wrote similar the other day. Would make sense that you get more of these injuries nowadays if theres is more of a mismatch between muscle and tendon strength. |
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Post by itsonlyagame on Nov 2, 2020 9:25:10 GMT
You might have hit on something there. Could explain why there is an increased number of acl injuries in the modern game and in other sports too.
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Post by Corbray on Nov 2, 2020 9:50:49 GMT
modern football has a lot more money involved and players are high value assetts now compared to 30-40 years ago. i'm sure most players could play through injuries but obviously won't be at their best. football is a game of fine margins now and clubs want their players to be in absolute peak condition, they spend millions on staff and medical facilities to keep their players in tip top shape.
if you got a team from the 80s against a team from today i imagine the 80s team would be knackered after 60 minutes because todays game is a lot more fast paced and physically demanding. not the tackles and battering eachother but the running and movement etc.
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Post by 1973ranger on Nov 2, 2020 15:05:23 GMT
Are we also saying Rob Dickie warms the bench ? No. Bring him in for Barbet  100% this. |
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Post by alanwycombe on Nov 2, 2020 16:30:42 GMT
No. Bring him in for Barbet 100% this. 100% won't happen😕 |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2020 19:43:08 GMT
If that does prove to be the case with Barbet keeping his place then we will have the a similar situation as with Joe Lumley. Barbet will become a player that no matter how he plays will get slated or blamed for the slightest flaws in his game thus destroying his confidence. Barbet needs to be benched. |
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Post by Corbray on Nov 2, 2020 20:04:10 GMT
warbs has come out defending barbet so i doubt he'll bench him.
i don't get why warbs is saying its harsh to call out barbet's errors and mistakes, if he's not doing his job properly then he opens himself up to it lol.
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Post by 1973ranger on Nov 2, 2020 21:25:54 GMT
If that does prove to be the case with Barbet keeping his place then we will have the a similar situation as with Joe Lumley. Barbet will become a player that no matter how he plays will get slated or blamed for the slightest flaws in his game thus destroying his confidence. Barbet needs to be benched. Barbet is a dreadful centre back with little or no awareness of what is happening around him. How many penalties has he given away since he joined us and how many have been for the same thing? Gets away with it because he plays Hollywood crossfield balls. Sorry for me he is no defender and the quicker he is benched the better. |
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Post by Shania on Nov 2, 2020 21:39:34 GMT
warbs has come out defending barbet so i doubt he'll bench him. i don't get why warbs is saying its harsh to call out barbet's errors and mistakes, if he's not doing his job properly then he opens himself up to it lol. It`s the sign of the times |
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Post by alanwycombe on Nov 2, 2020 21:59:17 GMT
He'll leave Masterson out. As certain as one of Westy's bets.
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Post by Stanley75 on Nov 5, 2020 10:46:47 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2020 11:10:06 GMT
He may be stubborn and tetchy with fans criticism at times but he’s also honest and deserves a lot of credit for our upturn in fortunes recently.
We may have been a tad lucky in the last couple of games but who cares..a lucky manager is always welcome in my book.
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Post by Stanley75 on Nov 5, 2020 11:51:37 GMT
We may have been a tad lucky in the last couple of games but who cares..a lucky manager is always welcome in my book. We've been unlucky too so I think it evens itself out.  |
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Post by Stanley75 on Nov 8, 2020 9:19:46 GMT
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Post by alanwycombe on Nov 8, 2020 9:34:44 GMT
Anyone still doubt MW has painted himself into a corner over Captain Cameron? Hooking Ball half time was "tactical". We were "losing duels" and he wanted to "move the ball quicker" so we leave on a 37 year old who is blowing out of his arse after 65 and is not having his best season but pull a guy who is on a high, never lets us down, used to be a CB at Spurs as a youth so can cover but also drives forward and can pass as well as Cameron these days.
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Post by Stanley75 on Nov 8, 2020 9:45:50 GMT
Anyone still doubt MW has painted himself into a corner over Captain Cameron? Hooking Ball half time was "tactical". We were "losing duels" and he wanted to "move the ball quicker" so we leave on a 37 year old who is blowing out of his arse after 65 and is not having his best season but pull a guy who is on a high, never lets us down, used to be a CB at Spurs as a youth so can cover but also drives forward and can pass as well as Cameron these days. He's 35, not 37. Otherwise I agree with you 🙂 |
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Post by alanwycombe on Nov 8, 2020 9:49:18 GMT
Anyone still doubt MW has painted himself into a corner over Captain Cameron? Hooking Ball half time was "tactical". We were "losing duels" and he wanted to "move the ball quicker" so we leave on a 37 year old who is blowing out of his arse after 65 and is not having his best season but pull a guy who is on a high, never lets us down, used to be a CB at Spurs as a youth so can cover but also drives forward and can pass as well as Cameron these days. He's 35, not 37. Otherwise I agree with you 🙂 Wish I was 😊 |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2020 9:53:25 GMT
This obsession with playing Cameron is becoming a farce with MW.
Can any fans of Cameron please enlighten me to what qualities he brings to the side ahead of Ball or any other player that we have boots to fit let alone being Captain.
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Post by alanwycombe on Nov 8, 2020 10:03:48 GMT
This obsession with playing Cameron is becoming a farce with MW. Can any fans of Cameron please enlighten me to what qualities he brings to the side ahead of Ball or any other player that we have boots to fit let alone being Captain. He was decent before lockdown but the resumption/new season is a season too far. Worth keeping as a squad player for this year but he should never have been seen as a regular. What gets me is all the bollocks about too many games and squad rotation yet Cameron is first name on the team sheet and isn't rested. MW clearly has his favourites and that's not good. |
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Post by Tarbie on Nov 8, 2020 10:37:57 GMT
Said it at the time, making Cameron captain was a mistake cos the manager will feel obliged to play him, despite the fact he isn't one of our strongest 11.
Personally, I like him as a squad player and as back up. His experience is important and he's a good guy to bring on when a game needs shoring up etc. There is no way on earth he should be getting selected ahead of Dom Ball though!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2020 10:52:51 GMT
I understand what your saying Tarbie but when does MW “ever “ shore a game up ?
We already have relatively experienced players on the pitch with Ball, Kane ,Albert and Carroll ?
We need more energy and fizz in that role that Cameron plays IMO
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Post by alanwycombe on Nov 8, 2020 11:51:05 GMT
I understand what your saying Tarbie but when does MW “ever “ shore a game up ? We already have relatively experienced players on the pitch with Ball, Kane ,Albert and Carroll ? We need more energy and fizz in that role that Cameron plays IMO Good point about energy and fizz but I agree with Tarbs that Cam could do a job in front of back four for final 20 if we look like caving in. MW bangs on about using the squad, that's a good example surely. |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Nov 8, 2020 12:48:28 GMT
He not picked for on field,its all the bits he does off it. Pays all the lads fines,rims mark every morning. Pays 80 % of staff wages. Rims Eustace in anoon.
You lot should be more grateful 😉
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Nov 8, 2020 12:50:17 GMT
Oh I forgot he also brings cakes in daily and organized the secret Santa
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