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Post by West Acton on Dec 9, 2020 13:19:29 GMT
Don’t disagree 73 and my personal opinion on him is I’m on the fence
If they got shot I could see an argument for that decision and would not cry over it and if they retained him same applies
Just think fans need be even handed with his criticism as currently you only hear what he’s doing bad whatever else he does. He’s got some big flaws which are rightly being challenged
I don’t think any manager would get an awful lot more out of this lot. Better organised defensively as a unit yes could see that but aside from that dickies is still going pull people back in area and give away pens as we’re seeing game after game it’s what he does, barbet is going dive in and give away pens too as he’s done that repeatedly, ball will keep giving the ball away and BOS will keep overplaying and chair will keep hitting the first man set pieces etc etc
We got average squad but there for some reason seems to be big expectations of it
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Post by West Acton on Dec 9, 2020 13:22:54 GMT
there is a lot of potential. Ok different manager is in charge where would you predict we would be in league or should be? Wests, this is precisely the reason why I started the "How good is the Championship" thread. To demonstrate how fucking bang average this division is. So far I've stated 4 maybe 5 teams in that thread who were clearly a cut above us. The rest is all very much of a muchness. Which is where all the limitations of Warburton come in. Therefore, in answer to your question, we could easily be in the top 10, even challenging for the play-offs, with a tactically astute and canny coach. I think that's plainly clear tbh. good post and points well made but I personally don’t see a top ten team or squad in us. If we could put ball in net then yes but we can’t. I was pretty excited start of season probably got carried away but more I see of these players more I think bang average |
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Post by alanwycombe on Dec 9, 2020 13:23:05 GMT
Missing the point I think mate, tbh. Agree with you over the players and squad. However it's what the manager is doing with them where we're falling way short. There's a lot of talent in the squad that a more tactically astute manager could get way more out of. You're just looking at individuals but it's a team game and what the manager is failing badly to get from them in that regard. there is a lot of potential. Ok different manager is in charge where would you predict we would be in league or should be? Who can say but it would be good to see something different tried instead of pressing the repeat button. For sure our current points tally, goals for and against, all averaged out over the season, would mean we are in trouble and I don't fancy relying on the standard being so poor this season to keep us up. We've got the Fakes, a rough physical side and a visit to an old player coming up - all traditional Rs banana skins. |
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Post by West Acton on Dec 9, 2020 13:24:17 GMT
So your not actually convinced change would make difference Al?
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Post by West Acton on Dec 9, 2020 13:25:55 GMT
Good point on Eze 73 appears to actually be difference last season to this
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Post by alanwycombe on Dec 9, 2020 13:30:36 GMT
So your not actually convinced change would make difference Al? Yes I am, problem is who. Warburton's way doesn't work with this very average squad and he's shown no interest in changing anything apart from Dieng isn't expected to be a footballer. Playing Dykes the same as he played Hugill and expecting it to work is crazy. He's nowhere near as good. Do something different. |
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Post by Timmy Doc on Dec 9, 2020 13:30:39 GMT
Chair's second half performance was probably his best for us. Why? Because he opted to shoot earlier and more actively. Credit to half time talk, who is Warburton. Warburton has told them to generally not shot from a distance. From where is this information? One of our main problems has been that we try to dribble or pass the ball in the net. |
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Post by West Acton on Dec 9, 2020 13:37:00 GMT
So where do you think another manager gets us in league?
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Post by 1973ranger on Dec 9, 2020 13:39:12 GMT
Good point on Eze 73 appears to actually be difference last season to this Certainly was the difference. Our manager needed to adopt a system to suit and bring out their qualities and that is where he is lacking and him having no plan b is hindering the team. Dykes is no world beater but for Scotland he looks and performs well in the role given to him and it shows him in a good light. What have we done with him so far? |
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Post by alanwycombe on Dec 9, 2020 13:41:18 GMT
So where do you think another manager gets us in league? Well we've dropped 5 or 6 points so far that we shouldn't have, so we could have a safer cushion from the basement. That's realistic. We are no top team, I've never said that and you've said I'm negative so you know I haven't. |
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Post by 1973ranger on Dec 9, 2020 13:43:00 GMT
Don’t disagree 73 and my personal opinion on him is I’m on the fence If they got shot I could see an argument for that decision and would not cry over it and if they retained him same applies Just think fans need be even handed with his criticism as currently you only hear what he’s doing bad whatever else he does. He’s got some big flaws which are rightly being challenged I don’t think any manager would get an awful lot more out of this lot. Better organised defensively as a unit yes could see that but aside from that dickies is still going pull people back in area and give away pens as we’re seeing game after game it’s what he does, barbet is going dive in and give away pens too as he’s done that repeatedly, ball will keep giving the ball away and BOS will keep overplaying and chair will keep hitting the first man set pieces etc etc We got average squad but there for some reason seems to be big expectations of it Westy a lack of a defensive coach shows game after game. Unfortunately we have a manager who only works on the side of the game when we have the ball not when we have not and all decent teams have to be as good without the ball as they are with it. |
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Post by alanwycombe on Dec 9, 2020 13:43:49 GMT
Two threads covering same points now Stan.
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Post by alanwycombe on Dec 9, 2020 13:49:58 GMT
They cannot even get Sinton a suit that fits him.[/quote]
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Post by Stanley75 on Dec 9, 2020 13:54:03 GMT
Wests, this is precisely the reason why I started the "How good is the Championship" thread. To demonstrate how fucking bang average this division is. So far I've stated 4 maybe 5 teams in that thread who were clearly a cut above us. The rest is all very much of a muchness. Which is where all the limitations of Warburton come in. Therefore, in answer to your question, we could easily be in the top 10, even challenging for the play-offs, with a tactically astute and canny coach. I think that's plainly clear tbh. good post and points well made but I personally don’t see a top ten team or squad in us. If we could put ball in net then yes but we can’t. I was pretty excited start of season probably got carried away but more I see of these players more I think bang average The debate is in danger of becoming circular. Yes, we can't put the ball in the net but it could easily be argued that's because he's failing to get the best from his strikers due to his tactical shortcomings. The debate can get even more hypothetical by arguing they are the signings, team selections and formations of an inferior manager to start with. But I'm happy to agree to disagree over it. The bottom line is I've lost faith in him as I've now witnessed too many occurrences of his failure to change, learn and adapt to teams with managers clearly capable of doing exactly that, particularly mid-way through games. His substitutions especially highlight these flaws in his management. It goes without saying that I'd love him to prove me wrong but so far there's just no evidence of it, sadly. |
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Post by Shania on Dec 9, 2020 14:11:12 GMT
Warburton has told them to generally not shot from a distance. From where is this information? One of our main problems has been that we try to dribble or pass the ball in the net. Can`t remember exacly where, but it was on an occasion where we all reacted negatively to what he was saying. It could be when Ball scored actually. Warburton saw it as a wasted opportunity, but as we all know, the ball went in. |
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Post by alanwycombe on Dec 9, 2020 14:19:00 GMT
From where is this information? One of our main problems has been that we try to dribble or pass the ball in the net. Can`t remember exacly where, but it was on an occasion where we all reacted negatively to what he was saying. It could be when Ball scored actually. Warburton saw it as a wasted opportunity, but as we all know, the ball went in. You are correct Shania, he said something about telling them not to shoot from there but was happy it went in this time. |
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Post by Shania on Dec 9, 2020 14:23:14 GMT
Don’t disagree 73 and my personal opinion on him is I’m on the fence If they got shot I could see an argument for that decision and would not cry over it and if they retained him same applies Just think fans need be even handed with his criticism as currently you only hear what he’s doing bad whatever else he does. He’s got some big flaws which are rightly being challenged I don’t think any manager would get an awful lot more out of this lot. Better organised defensively as a unit yes could see that but aside from that dickies is still going pull people back in area and give away pens as we’re seeing game after game it’s what he does, barbet is going dive in and give away pens too as he’s done that repeatedly, ball will keep giving the ball away and BOS will keep overplaying and chair will keep hitting the first man set pieces etc etc We got average squad but there for some reason seems to be big expectations of it I feel he get`s a lot of praise even when he manages  to only get one sub right. So there you go.... |
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Post by spongeparr on Dec 9, 2020 14:27:18 GMT
I think that was the worst game I've ever seen Cameron in a QPR shirt. Kakay wasn't great either, but at least better than Kane. On the plus side thought Niko did very well on the other side. Really? I thought he struggled a bit albeit against a great player. He will have hopefully learned a lot tonight. I like him and he is much preferable to Wallace for me. Totally agree with you. Don'e okay at times but struggled at others, notably the diagonal. Didn't offer much getting forward. Kakay did, but then ruined it with a shit cross. I thought Chair 2nd half showed what he was about and in the 1st half was poor, way to deep and only coming to the ball rather than getting in behind. With Niko not offering an overlap on the left it meant very one dimentional. |
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Post by Shania on Dec 9, 2020 14:30:09 GMT
Can`t remember exacly where, but it was on an occasion where we all reacted negatively to what he was saying. It could be when Ball scored actually. Warburton saw it as a wasted opportunity, but as we all know, the ball went in. You are correct Shania, he said something about telling them not to shoot from there but was happy it went in this time. Yes, and without Eze at the club, it`s not easy to "do a Barcelona" this season. He has to use different tactics every match, but he refuses to do so it looks like. No wonder the opposition has us easily sussed out.. |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Dec 9, 2020 14:45:32 GMT
This thread is the fundamental example of warbs and the board. Everyone sees the same game different. So they probably see it more positive in the overall pic than others.
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Post by 1973ranger on Dec 9, 2020 15:37:03 GMT
They cannot even get Sinton a suit that fits him. 😂😂[/quote] Never seen such an ill fitting suit jacket as Sinton's club one. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2020 15:45:08 GMT
Both in his first season and the current MW has been unable to consistently organise our defence to stop conceding soft goals and that’s the bottom line.
Last season we had much better strikers and Eze which glossed over Warburtons obvious failings.
Some may blame individual players for being rubbish or inexperienced but I solely lay the blame on MW tactics.
Another Manager would have us comfortably in mid table safety with the same squad.
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Post by Bill on Dec 9, 2020 16:29:50 GMT
Both in his first season and the current MW has been unable to consistently organise our defence to stop conceding soft goals and that’s the bottom line. Last season we had much better strikers and Eze which glossed over Warburtons obvious failings. Some may blame individual players for being rubbish or inexperienced but I solely lay the blame on MW tactics. Another Manager would have us comfortably in mid table safety with the same squad. A point is a point but does not cover our fundamental problems. Just to cautious game after game. |
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Post by Bill on Dec 9, 2020 16:54:38 GMT
We are all going round in circles.
If your happy with a manager who refuses to change and continues in the same vein fine.
I am not,he is stubborn and tactically naive and
the squad is poorer than last season,having said that I feel with more organisation in defence and more astute tactics whilst not challenging at the top we could be just outside the playoffs in what for me is a very poor division.
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Post by Stanley75 on Dec 9, 2020 17:07:10 GMT
Two threads covering same points now Stan. Fair point Alan. All in one thread now. |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Dec 9, 2020 17:08:44 GMT
That's cos Brighton changed to 2 threads up front formation
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Post by BrightonR on Dec 9, 2020 19:06:17 GMT
That's cos Brighton changed to 2 threads up front formation But I’m useless too. 😂 |
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Post by Shania on Dec 9, 2020 20:29:57 GMT
We are all going round in circles. If your happy with a manager who refuses to change and continues in the same vein fine. I am not,he is stubborn and tactically naive and the squad is poorer than last season,having said that I feel with more organisation in defence and more astute tactics whilst not challenging at the top we could be just outside the playoffs in what for me is a very poor division. Agreed, Properly used and with game managment in matches spot on, our squad is top ten material,imo. |
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Post by James1979 on Dec 12, 2020 19:01:40 GMT
Warbs interview bingo “how good was it to.....”
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Post by James1979 on Dec 12, 2020 19:01:59 GMT
This week....”have fans back?”
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to only get one sub right. So there you go....
