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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2020 9:28:48 GMT
Millwall Manager did not have to out think MW..our Manager again shot himself in the foot by nullifying our M/F area with the subs.
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Post by West Acton on Dec 9, 2020 9:42:01 GMT
A very average squad with a very average manager. The squad is achieving way below average results though under MW leadership. I think squad is performing at the level it probably should be. We have an inferior squad compared to others. I’m genuinely surprised fans are really impressed with strength of this squad to point they think we should be way up the table. Dieng aside I’m not sure we have any players any of the top six sides would want off us Young squad of huge potential if we can keep them together 2/3 seasons and stay in this league. Next two years could be exciting |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Dec 9, 2020 9:45:23 GMT
Squad is a sows' ear
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Post by alanwycombe on Dec 9, 2020 10:00:27 GMT
For me Dieng has impressed because he's been allowed to just do his job of keeping goal. I doubt he's any better with the ball at his feet than Lumley or Kelly but at least he won't be passing it to an opponent. I think we forget on here that we were all happy with Lumley until he was asked to play out then his whole performance suffered because his confidence was shot.
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Post by alanwycombe on Dec 9, 2020 10:03:53 GMT
The squad is achieving way below average results though under MW leadership. I think squad is performing at the level it probably should be. We have an inferior squad compared to others. I’m genuinely surprised fans are really impressed with strength of this squad to point they think we should be way up the table. Dieng aside I’m not sure we have any players any of the top six sides would want off us Young squad of huge potential if we can keep them together 2/3 seasons and stay in this league. Next two years could be exciting Totally agree except I don't have confidence in MW to work with a 'young squad of huge potential'. |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Dec 9, 2020 10:06:23 GMT
There's never a collective progression as a club. You get movement on one area but the rest tends to generally slide. We a club in a slow long decline. We had our chances to move on up and sustain a decent level and frankly blew everything. And now we reaping the costs.
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Post by alanwycombe on Dec 9, 2020 10:12:32 GMT
I don't think you can draw that conclusion TimmyD,Chair should have been doing that long before now and there have been plenty of second halves where we've looked a shadow of the first half team. Damned if he does and damned if he doesn't eh Al? I saw plenty of comments (not necessarily on here) that Rowett would change it at half time and we would get out-manouvered but the opposite happened. Once we were in front we were controlling the game and creating good chances. However, yet again we failed to take them and put the game to bed. We defended well and were a bit unlucky with a deflected goal and after that we dropped and could well have lost it. I still look at the team and think there are more new faces than old and am prepared to give him longer with them. Finances have dictated we have lost our loan players and our best player so the goals have dried up as a result. No mate, I just don't see how he can be given credit when a player starts doing what he should be doing but it's not his fault when they make the same mistakes game after game. Can't have it both ways. |
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Post by alanwycombe on Dec 9, 2020 10:20:51 GMT
There's never a collective progression as a club. You get movement on one area but the rest tends to generally slide. We a club in a slow long decline. We had our chances to move on up and sustain a decent level and frankly blew everything. And now we reaping the costs. And we're probably lucky to still have a club after what went on. I don't know enough of what goes on to knock the owners. It seems to me that we wouldn't exist without them taking it on the chin over the past few years. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Dec 9, 2020 10:29:18 GMT
The squad is achieving way below average results though under MW leadership. I think squad is performing at the level it probably should be. We have an inferior squad compared to others. I’m genuinely surprised fans are really impressed with strength of this squad to point they think we should be way up the table. Dieng aside I’m not sure we have any players any of the top six sides would want off us Young squad of huge potential if we can keep them together 2/3 seasons and stay in this league. Next two years could be exciting Missing the point I think mate, tbh. Agree with you over the players and squad. However it's what the manager is doing with them where we're falling way short. There's a lot of talent in the squad that a more tactically astute manager could get way more out of. You're just looking at individuals but it's a team game and what the manager is failing badly to get from them in that regard. |
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Post by West Acton on Dec 9, 2020 10:31:33 GMT
Damned if he does and damned if he doesn't eh Al? I saw plenty of comments (not necessarily on here) that Rowett would change it at half time and we would get out-manouvered but the opposite happened. Once we were in front we were controlling the game and creating good chances. However, yet again we failed to take them and put the game to bed. We defended well and were a bit unlucky with a deflected goal and after that we dropped and could well have lost it. I still look at the team and think there are more new faces than old and am prepared to give him longer with them. Finances have dictated we have lost our loan players and our best player so the goals have dried up as a result. No mate, I just don't see how he can be given credit when a player starts doing what he should be doing but it's not his fault when they make the same mistakes game after game. Can't have it both ways. what credit has he been given? |
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Post by 1973ranger on Dec 9, 2020 10:41:55 GMT
exactly, do we need an Ambassador, dof, ceo, dot, technical directors on managers wages, an army of backroom staff? we need to streamline the office jobs so as to have more money to invest in the playing squad. I’ve always wondered why you need a Director of Football at a football club. What other directors are there? As for an ambassador??? Absolutely laughable. The ambassador role is an absolute joke and another example of how badly we are run as a championship club. That role maybe a good one in the world of PL fortunes but not in the world where every penny counts. They cannot even get Sinton a suit that fits him. |
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Post by Shania on Dec 9, 2020 11:37:41 GMT
Bump
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Post by Shania on Dec 9, 2020 11:47:17 GMT
The squad is achieving way below average results though under MW leadership. I think squad is performing at the level it probably should be. We have an inferior squad compared to others. I’m genuinely surprised fans are really impressed with strength of this squad to point they think we should be way up the table. Dieng aside I’m not sure we have any players any of the top six sides would want off us Young squad of huge potential if we can keep them together 2/3 seasons and stay in this league. Next two years could be exciting The Bristol City manager has suggested otherwise, West Acton. |
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Post by Shania on Dec 9, 2020 11:58:20 GMT
Chair's second half performance was probably his best for us. Why? Because he opted to shoot earlier and more actively. Credit to half time talk, who is Warburton. Warburton has told them to generally not shot from a distance. |
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Post by Shania on Dec 9, 2020 12:01:00 GMT
Warbs has had so many games to improve things and it's just the same average every game Time for a change its not working is it Every game is the same every week We need more players in January proper experienced pros to keep us in the division Absolutely spot on. |
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Post by croydoncaptainjack on Dec 9, 2020 12:41:24 GMT
No mate, I just don't see how he can be given credit when a player starts doing what he should be doing but it's not his fault when they make the same mistakes game after game. Can't have it both ways. what credit has he been given? Exactly |
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Post by alanwycombe on Dec 9, 2020 12:42:53 GMT
what credit has he been given? Exactly I was responding to Timmydoc's post |
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Post by alanwycombe on Dec 9, 2020 12:43:42 GMT
Chair's second half performance was probably his best for us. Why? Because he opted to shoot earlier and more actively. Credit to half time talk, who is Warburton. I don't think you can draw that conclusion TimmyD,Chair should have been doing that long before now and there have been plenty of second halves where we've looked a shadow of the first half team. |
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Post by croydoncaptainjack on Dec 9, 2020 12:44:17 GMT
I think squad is performing at the level it probably should be. We have an inferior squad compared to others. I’m genuinely surprised fans are really impressed with strength of this squad to point they think we should be way up the table. Dieng aside I’m not sure we have any players any of the top six sides would want off us Young squad of huge potential if we can keep them together 2/3 seasons and stay in this league. Next two years could be exciting The Bristol City manager has suggested otherwise, West Acton. Is it possible he is wrong? |
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Post by croydoncaptainjack on Dec 9, 2020 12:46:21 GMT
I was responding to Timmydoc's post It is still relevant though Al. The fact is when things go right he isn't given much credit but people are quick to jump on the errors. And there are errors don't get me wrong but I still think we are way to early in the season with a practically new young team to be talking about changing him. |
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Post by West Acton on Dec 9, 2020 12:51:27 GMT
For me Dieng has impressed because he's been allowed to just do his job of keeping goal. I doubt he's any better with the ball at his feet than Lumley or Kelly but at least he won't be passing it to an opponent. I think we forget on here that we were all happy with Lumley until he was asked to play out then his whole performance suffered because his confidence was shot. wrong IMO Lumley was doing well until he got kicked in the head at villa, entirely different keeper from that event plus if you think Dieng is no better then Lumley with his feet I really will have to stop taking you seriously. Do you recall how many of Lumleys clearances flew straight out for throws??? Compare that to Dieng how many of his are wasted? Dieng on another planet with his feet to Lumley |
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Post by West Acton on Dec 9, 2020 12:53:13 GMT
I think squad is performing at the level it probably should be. We have an inferior squad compared to others. I’m genuinely surprised fans are really impressed with strength of this squad to point they think we should be way up the table. Dieng aside I’m not sure we have any players any of the top six sides would want off us Young squad of huge potential if we can keep them together 2/3 seasons and stay in this league. Next two years could be exciting Missing the point I think mate, tbh. Agree with you over the players and squad. However it's what the manager is doing with them where we're falling way short. There's a lot of talent in the squad that a more tactically astute manager could get way more out of. You're just looking at individuals but it's a team game and what the manager is failing badly to get from them in that regard. there is a lot of potential. Ok different manager is in charge where would you predict we would be in league or should be? |
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Post by West Acton on Dec 9, 2020 12:56:57 GMT
I think squad is performing at the level it probably should be. We have an inferior squad compared to others. I’m genuinely surprised fans are really impressed with strength of this squad to point they think we should be way up the table. Dieng aside I’m not sure we have any players any of the top six sides would want off us Young squad of huge potential if we can keep them together 2/3 seasons and stay in this league. Next two years could be exciting The Bristol City manager has suggested otherwise, West Acton. I could not even tell you who the Bristol Manager is Shans but it counts not one jot what opposition manager says as they always big up sides they face. Warbs says every team we face is hard opposition Harry Redknapp said every game was going to be tough. You clearly have bought into this squad being something special I’m afraid at this moment in time I’m not seeing that but I hope I soon do |
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Post by West Acton on Dec 9, 2020 12:57:52 GMT
The Bristol City manager has suggested otherwise, West Acton. Is it possible he is wrong? no as if it piles more pressure on the manager it must be believed 😁 |
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Post by West Acton on Dec 9, 2020 12:59:11 GMT
I was responding to Timmydoc's post missing your point Al what difference does that make |
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Post by 1973ranger on Dec 9, 2020 13:07:23 GMT
Is it possible he is wrong? no as if it piles more pressure on the manager it must be believed 😁 Manager's put themselves under pressure when their team selection, substitutions or lack of in game adaptability. MW has one way of playing and refuses to change so when that way fails he will always be under pressure and that is down to him not the fans or anyone else's manager. |
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Post by alanwycombe on Dec 9, 2020 13:09:41 GMT
We obviously have a big difference of opinion as to what is going right and why he shouldn't change anything😁
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Post by Stanley75 on Dec 9, 2020 13:10:52 GMT
Missing the point I think mate, tbh. Agree with you over the players and squad. However it's what the manager is doing with them where we're falling way short. There's a lot of talent in the squad that a more tactically astute manager could get way more out of. You're just looking at individuals but it's a team game and what the manager is failing badly to get from them in that regard. there is a lot of potential. Ok different manager is in charge where would you predict we would be in league or should be? Wests, this is precisely the reason why I started the "How good is the Championship" thread. To demonstrate how fucking bang average this division is. So far I've stated 4 maybe 5 teams in that thread who were clearly a cut above us. The rest is all very much of a muchness. Which is where all the limitations of Warburton come in. Therefore, in answer to your question, we could easily be in the top 10, even challenging for the play-offs, with a tactically astute and canny coach. I think that's plainly clear tbh. |
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Post by 1973ranger on Dec 9, 2020 13:11:48 GMT
I was responding to Timmydoc's post It is still relevant though Al. The fact is when things go right he isn't given much credit but people are quick to jump on the errors. And there are errors don't get me wrong but I still think we are way to early in the season with a practically new young team to be talking about changing him. CCJ it should never be too early to change if something is clearly not working and I would say it is not under MW as over 100 goals conceded and only 8 or 9 clean sheets since he arrived shows. Was fortunate he had a game changer in Eze last year but he has gone and we are still trying to play the same way when those we brought in are not as naturally talented to change a game in a flash. |
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Post by Corbray on Dec 9, 2020 13:11:55 GMT
Missing the point I think mate, tbh. Agree with you over the players and squad. However it's what the manager is doing with them where we're falling way short. There's a lot of talent in the squad that a more tactically astute manager could get way more out of. You're just looking at individuals but it's a team game and what the manager is failing badly to get from them in that regard. there is a lot of potential. Ok different manager is in charge where would you predict we would be in league or should be? competitive at the very least, can that be said of warbs? sure we play some nice stuff at times but there's no plan B. and when our heads drop its pretty much gameover, we don't have that fighting spirit. plus we make the same mistakes game after game, everytime we concede a corner or a freekick i'm nervous as we don't defend them well enough. warbs has had some serious backing in the market this season, easily the most of any of our recent managers but simply hasn't taken us forward. its 18 games in now and whilst i don't see us being in a genuine relegation battle i don't see us having a good season. he's spent long enough in the job that we should be seeing some genuine progress but his stats are pretty horendous. last season we had one of the best attacking lineups in the division+eze which bailed us out more time than once so it brushed warbs shortcomings under the carpet. |
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