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Post by acricketer on Aug 28, 2020 21:55:44 GMT
I hope for a top 10 position this season. Nothing more than that.. Who would be below us? |
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Post by acricketer on Aug 28, 2020 21:58:03 GMT
I only see 11 teams below us this season, so 13th.
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Post by shepherdsmush on Aug 29, 2020 0:01:11 GMT
With the squad we have now - no chance! We’ve lost quality players who even when they were all here we weren’t in the top 6. The only "quality" player we've lost is Eze. Everyone else is far more easy to replace. For the record, I think we are a top ten side at the moment due to our leaking goals but the fact is that anyone can get into that top 6 with the right mix. Millwall almost done it (2 points shy I think) so there is no reason why we can't mention it as a target. |
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Post by Maidstone_Hoop on Aug 29, 2020 4:20:09 GMT
With the squad we have now - no chance! We’ve lost quality players who even when they were all here we weren’t in the top 6. The only "quality" player we've lost is Eze. Everyone else is far more easy to replace. For the record, I think we are a top ten side at the moment due to our leaking goals but the fact is that anyone can get into that top 6 with the right mix. Millwall almost done it (2 points shy I think) so there is no reason why we can't mention it as a target. Sorry is this a wind up post? You think we are a top 10 side atm with the squad we have 😂😂😂! We weren’t even a top 10 side with Eze in the team let alone Wells, Hugil and Hall who I think are all quality champ players. So not only have we lost our main source of goals from last season which make no mistake kept us up but we are actually weaker defensively with no Hall and Rangel and had one of the worst defensive records in the league. As we speak our sole striking signing to replace Wells and Hugil is Dykes who i have high hopes for but scored less goals than either Wells or Hugil in a pub league and we haven’t brought in one defender yet to start fixing our back four or three. How on earth can we have top 10 team currently with a weaker squad than the one we finished with in lower mid table? |
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Post by BrightonR on Aug 29, 2020 6:22:02 GMT
I don't see why we can't try and break into the top six with the mix of players we've got, the youth set-up, plus one or two more additions. We've proved we can mix it at times by getting points off West Brom and Leeds last season. Just got to get a consistent and settled first team squad. With the squad we have now - no chance! We’ve lost quality players who even when they were all here we weren’t in the top 6. MW will have to recruit very smartly if we are to challenge for a top 6 place and I imagine would have to be playing down any money we might have to spend. Have to disagree with you here mate. IMO, the difference between 6th and 13th can quite easily be a couple of better decisions made, a couple of less costly mistakes and the odd bit of good fortune. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Aug 29, 2020 8:12:49 GMT
the fact is that anyone can get into that top 6 with the right mix. Millwall almost done it (2 points shy I think) so there is no reason why we can't mention it as a target.This is the point I've been trying to make, but you have put it more succinctly 😀 |
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Post by Tarbie on Aug 29, 2020 8:40:11 GMT
Its all a bit academic arguing over where our current squad would finish in the league. We're a long way from done with our transfer dealings, the same goes for most sides in the division.
I'm convinced we'll bring at least 4 more players in and we'll be top 10 next year. Perhaps even a bit better than that. I think there will be 1 or 2 sides in the Championship struggling financially without the gate receipts. As such, they may try and get by with a smaller squad than they'd ideally want.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2020 8:43:41 GMT
Think we be pushing top half/playoffs if we kept bulk of last season squad but right now we in the unknown with how it's shaping up with ins and outs
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Post by Stanley75 on Aug 29, 2020 8:51:12 GMT
I'm just looking forward to the time when we don't have to do a major squad overhaul every flipping season. How nice would a little continuity from one season to next be. Everytime that happens the squad has to re-gel, players have to get to know each other, their strengths and weaknesses; new partnerships formed etc. All that takes time, but you are still expected to hit the ground running. It's frustrating.
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Post by Tarbie on Aug 29, 2020 9:34:27 GMT
I'm just looking forward to the time when we don't have to do a major squad overhaul every flipping season. How nice would a little continuity from one season to next be. Everytime that happens the squad has to re-gel, players have to get to know each other, their strengths and weaknesses; new partnerships formed etc. All that takes time, but you are still expected to hit the ground running. It's frustrating. Do you consider this a major overhaul this season mate? It'll probably end up being around 5 or 6 new players added to the squad plus a few stepping up from the U23's or returning from loans. I think that's a pretty normal summer for a Championship side these days. |
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Post by Shania on Aug 29, 2020 9:39:05 GMT
I only see 11 teams below us this season, so 13th. The window is not closed just yet. |
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Post by Maidstone_Hoop on Aug 29, 2020 10:04:40 GMT
Its all a bit academic arguing over where our current squad would finish in the league. We're a long way from done with our transfer dealings, the same goes for most sides in the division. I'm convinced we'll bring at least 4 more players in and we'll be top 10 next year. Perhaps even a bit better than that. I think there will be 1 or 2 sides in the Championship struggling financially without the gate receipts. As such, they may try and get by with a smaller squad than they'd ideally want. I think this is the most spot on post. Right now we do not have a complete squad and Warbs has said himself at least 3 players need to come. Even if some on here think that’s enough or that we need 5/6/7 more the only way we can really start making assumptions is when we get these players and the quality they potentially bring. I personally just can’t get my head around anyone thinking our squad is stronger than last year right now when we have lost Eze, Hugil, Wells, Pugh, Hall and Rangel and findished 13th with one of the worst defences in the league. My gout feeling is we will buy and bring in 5/6 very shrewd signings which will transform our team! |
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Post by West Acton on Aug 29, 2020 10:13:16 GMT
He said he wants a squad of 21 think that will be indicator of what more we need or will see come in
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Post by Tarbie on Aug 29, 2020 11:10:19 GMT
Its all a bit academic arguing over where our current squad would finish in the league. We're a long way from done with our transfer dealings, the same goes for most sides in the division. I'm convinced we'll bring at least 4 more players in and we'll be top 10 next year. Perhaps even a bit better than that. I think there will be 1 or 2 sides in the Championship struggling financially without the gate receipts. As such, they may try and get by with a smaller squad than they'd ideally want. I think this is the most spot on post. Right now we do not have a complete squad and Warbs has said himself at least 3 players need to come. Even if some on here think that’s enough or that we need 5/6/7 more the only way we can really start making assumptions is when we get these players and the quality they potentially bring. I personally just can’t get my head around anyone thinking our squad is stronger than last year right now when we have lost Eze, Hugil, Wells, Pugh, Hall and Rangel and findished 13th with one of the worst defences in the league. My gout feeling is we will buy and bring in 5/6 very shrewd signings which will transform our team! I think it's pretty clear that this squad as it is would struggle to compete for a whole season. I reckon we could put out a competitive starting 11, but we are threadbare at central defence and beyond Dykes I'm not convinced we have another centre forward who's up to this level. Like I said though, 3 or 4 smart signings and things will look totally different. |
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Post by Maidstone_Hoop on Aug 29, 2020 11:59:15 GMT
Agree Tarbs, and I trust Warbs and think the board are more switched on then people give credit.
Can see us bring 3/4 players in who will elevate the first 11 considerably and possibly a further 2/3 if Manning and BOS don’t sign new contracts.
Love the fact Warbs has told them both if they think they are going to play and leave for free next year they can forget it. Class management!!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2020 12:01:17 GMT
Hope we ship out bos and Manning asap. Like both players but we need situation sorted.
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Post by 1qprdk on Aug 29, 2020 21:28:44 GMT
Even though today was only a friendly, it finally killed my last hope for Manning as lb. Seeing him strut about without a care in the world today was the final straw.
#finallyoffthefence
#hecanfuckrightoffnow
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Post by West Acton on Aug 30, 2020 7:10:22 GMT
Even though today was only a friendly, it finally killed my last hope for Manning as lb. Seeing him strut about without a care in the world today was the final straw. #finallyoffthefence #hecanfuckrightoffnow totally lacks desire to defend |
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Post by Greg1882 on Aug 30, 2020 8:18:22 GMT
I'm just looking forward to the time when we don't have to do a major squad overhaul every flipping season. How nice would a little continuity from one season to next be. Everytime that happens the squad has to re-gel, players have to get to know each other, their strengths and weaknesses; new partnerships formed etc. All that takes time, but you are still expected to hit the ground running. It's frustrating. Don’t see this as a big over haul at all?? We’re going to lose a couple of players every year. As literally every team on the plant does. |
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Post by Rangers77 on Aug 30, 2020 9:59:46 GMT
Eze, Hugill and Wells are massive losses. Massive.
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Post by Stanley75 on Aug 30, 2020 10:47:12 GMT
I'm just looking forward to the time when we don't have to do a major squad overhaul every flipping season. How nice would a little continuity from one season to next be. Everytime that happens the squad has to re-gel, players have to get to know each other, their strengths and weaknesses; new partnerships formed etc. All that takes time, but you are still expected to hit the ground running. It's frustrating. Do you consider this a major overhaul this season mate? It'll probably end up being around 5 or 6 new players added to the squad plus a few stepping up from the U23's or returning from loans. I think that's a pretty normal summer for a Championship side these days. Don’t see this as a big over haul at all?? We’re going to lose a couple of players every year. As literally every team on the plant does. As 77 says, it's not so much the numbers (this season) but the loss of players who were so intrinsic and indispensable to our season last term. Let's see where we're at when the window closes. |
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Post by jfrabbit on Aug 31, 2020 4:18:33 GMT
He states......... youth development must not been forgotten. Good. players who are running down their contracts wont be picked. Good. eze's transfer is almost complete. Good. eze money will go to keep the operations of the club running and our transfer targets remain to be low fees and free transfers. WTF. Bright??? Gonna be hard to leave him out considering he's one of our best players if not the best right now. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2020 7:32:53 GMT
May as well play them if still here after window closing and promise them a sale in January for whatever bids they attract. Better than getting nothing next summer if no new contract agreed.
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Post by Stanley75 on Aug 31, 2020 7:51:20 GMT
In this day and age, if a player chooses to run their contract down, the only leverage a club has is to not play them. Perfectly understandable from the club's perspective, as not only is the player mentally not fully committed to the cause, but it can also unsettle the team spirit in the squad. The fact Warbs has come out and said these players won't play is therefore a positive. BOS may be our best player on paper, but not on the pitch if his head's not right. Same goes for Manning. Get rid of both ASAP if they won't sign what they've been offered and replace them with players who ACTUALLY want to play for us. Neither have done well in pre-season anyway, which kinda proves the point.
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Post by West Acton on Aug 31, 2020 7:59:42 GMT
Totally agree stan but when you say get rid ASAP is that below there value?
If club got BOS extend but he only signs with minimum release clause of say 4mil would people be happy?? Especially if he has blinder this season then goes for £4mil end of season.
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Post by Stanley75 on Aug 31, 2020 8:04:09 GMT
Wests, you get the best possible price you can for him. But it's more important for the sake of squad harmony to get rid of any bad eggs. He's not going to have a blinder this season if he chooses to run down his contract because that tells you he's not fully committed to our cause and therefore won't bust a gut for us.
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Post by Tarbie on Aug 31, 2020 8:42:44 GMT
Personally I'd give both players our absolute best offer. Tell them they have a week to sign or alternatively they can ask their agents to find them another club.
We are in no position to fanny about. Players either want to be here or they need to be prepared to be sold. Everyone knows the financial problems we've had.
Unfortunately it probably means there is a good chance these 2 will leave on the cheap. But getting some money in and 2 players off the wage bill is preferable to these 2 hanging around like a bad smell, if they don't want to be here.
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Post by 1973ranger on Aug 31, 2020 9:02:57 GMT
Set an example to the rest of the squad with these two players. Give them until 2 weeks into the season and if not extended get rid for any offer that suits us. BOS turned Brugges down who play in the CL so that should give you a clue into his intention.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2020 9:05:19 GMT
BOS did similar to Blackpool before coming ours so it's no surprise.
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Post by West Acton on Aug 31, 2020 9:08:29 GMT
Think you’re right Tarbs but imagine fallout if Bos went for couple of mil would be DOF is shit club not learnt etc
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