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Post by 1973ranger on Oct 28, 2020 13:15:53 GMT
Weather it’s realistic or not depends on if the championship is a bigger pull then the Scottish league (I’m not suggesting we’re bigger then Rangers) but really impressed with Gerrard at Rangers. Would a move south to championship (Lampardess) be stepping stone in the prem opportunity Probably never happen but for me that would show little bit of ambition even if they just sounded it out rather then same tired names Bigger fish to fry up there Westy stopping 10 in a row. |
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Post by 1973ranger on Oct 28, 2020 13:22:38 GMT
Westy right now we need a solid results based guy to steady the ship and get some confidence back into the squad. I really fear for us if we wait too long with this as nothing tells me that he is capable of turning this around.
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Post by croydoncaptainjack on Oct 28, 2020 13:28:06 GMT
CCJ as for starting brightly how many saves did the keeper make for them while 11 v 11? We played it around but the final ball was poor and nothing was created by Carroll, Ball or Chair when he was on. Adomah did put quite a few crosses in which was a plus point. We were the better team by far until they scored without creating many or any chances. Adomah put a good few balls in but our two strikers didn't get near them. We often dominate openings of games without creating enough but we do need to capitalise on the good spells as we are invariably punished for not doing so. |
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Post by 1973ranger on Oct 28, 2020 13:38:48 GMT
CCJ as for starting brightly how many saves did the keeper make for them while 11 v 11? We played it around but the final ball was poor and nothing was created by Carroll, Ball or Chair when he was on. Adomah did put quite a few crosses in which was a plus point. We were the better team by far until they scored without creating many or any chances. Adomah put a good few balls in but our two strikers didn't get near them. We often dominate openings of games without creating enough but we do need to capitalise on the good spells as we are invariably punished for not doing so. Agree that we looked better 11 v 11 but still never created clear cut chances and that has to be a concern. The big worry has to be when we go behind the lack of belief in the players and that was clear in the Preston game with 11 as well as last night with 10. CCJ I liked the stuff we played last year but this year no goals in 5 hours tells you that Eze may have been a huge part of that style and not neccesarily the manager? I love Rangers and under this guy I cannot see us turning it around so would look at options and make the change as the next 10 games are not nice. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2020 14:08:44 GMT
CCJ as for starting brightly how many saves did the keeper make for them while 11 v 11? We played it around but the final ball was poor and nothing was created by Carroll, Ball or Chair when he was on. Adomah did put quite a few crosses in which was a plus point. We were the better team by far until they scored without creating many or any chances. Adomah put a good few balls in but our two strikers didn't get near them. We often dominate openings of games without creating enough but we do need to capitalise on the good spells as we are invariably punished for not doing so. Would certainly agree with your summing up of the first 25 mins CCJ...I thought we looked bright and energetic and were in the main in control of the game until the sending off. I do think we have also been very fortunate in a couple of games that opponents have not punished us in the same manner that we fail to capitalise on our opportunities. The real worry for me is an awful lot of these chances for our opponents have been down to terrible individual mistakes that happen on a most regular basis. Last nights penalty IMO was the result of Barbet going to sleep and losing his man then lunging with the wrong foot in which the ball broke kindly for their striker off Dickie. As said by others this is a regular occurrence with our defenders yet there seems little to no remedy or action taken by MW to prevent it happening every single game. i truly hope that MW is given some games to rectify his mistakes but at this point he appears out of his depth. |
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Post by hal9thou on Oct 28, 2020 14:13:01 GMT
Get in John Sitton and leave the cameras rolling.
The board wont do anything. They're a huge part of the problem. Complacent. Useless. And guaranteed when they finally do appoint they'll fuck it up as per.
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Post by croydoncaptainjack on Oct 28, 2020 14:18:22 GMT
I fear you are right but time will tell and I think he should be given a bit more time to confirm that. I still think it is unlikely given he has brought in a whole new squad.
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Post by Timmy Doc on Oct 28, 2020 14:38:36 GMT
We were the better team by far until they scored without creating many or any chances. Adomah put a good few balls in but our two strikers didn't get near them. We often dominate openings of games without creating enough but we do need to capitalise on the good spells as we are invariably punished for not doing so. Agree that we looked better 11 v 11 but still never created clear cut chances and that has to be a concern. The big worry has to be when we go behind the lack of belief in the players and that was clear in the Preston game with 11 as well as last night with 10. CCJ I liked the stuff we played last year but this year no goals in 5 hours tells you that Eze may have been a huge part of that style and not neccesarily the manager? I love Rangers and under this guy I cannot see us turning it around so would look at options and make the change as the next 10 games are not nice. Eze yes, but don't forget the impact Wells and Hugill had. And they both had a slow start. |
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Post by 1973ranger on Oct 28, 2020 14:45:10 GMT
Agree that we looked better 11 v 11 but still never created clear cut chances and that has to be a concern. The big worry has to be when we go behind the lack of belief in the players and that was clear in the Preston game with 11 as well as last night with 10. CCJ I liked the stuff we played last year but this year no goals in 5 hours tells you that Eze may have been a huge part of that style and not neccesarily the manager? I love Rangers and under this guy I cannot see us turning it around so would look at options and make the change as the next 10 games are not nice. Eze yes, but don't forget the impact Wells and Hugill had. And they both had a slow start. And Barbet what is his excuse for being played week in week out and been consistently crap? The recent performances do not lie and while Bournemouth we looked half decent overall we have been a really hard watch. Look at his record at Rangers and Forest and you will see exactly the same slide and he did not stop it there and he will not stop it here. Wait too long and it could be the biggest mistake the club has made in recent years and there have been a fair few. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Oct 28, 2020 14:46:52 GMT
it is unlikely given he has brought in a whole new squad. I'm inclined to agree that he'll be given a bit more time to prove that he can make a success of all these signings he's only just brought in. Bearing in mind too that any new manager will always want to bring in their own players, meaning yet another overhaul. Most worth their salt will not be happy being forced to work just with inherited players. He'd want to make more signings in January than Warburton would. The board would be weighing those factors up. |
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Post by 1973ranger on Oct 28, 2020 14:55:48 GMT
it is unlikely given he has brought in a whole new squad. I'm inclined to agree that he'll be given a bit more time to prove that he can make a success of all these signings he's only just brought in. Bearing in mind too that any new manager will always want to bring in their own players, meaning yet another overhaul. Most worth the salt will not be happy being forced to work just with inherited players. He'd want to make more signings in January than Warburton would. The board would be weighing those factors up. Bring in someone as first team coach and they do just that coach the players they have. 3 wins in 19 is no recipe for success. Crazy to keep someone who has a record of 1 win every 4 or 5 games since he came here. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Oct 28, 2020 14:57:41 GMT
I'm inclined to agree that he'll be given a bit more time to prove that he can make a success of all these signings he's only just brought in. Bearing in mind too that any new manager will always want to bring in their own players, meaning yet another overhaul. Most worth the salt will not be happy being forced to work just with inherited players. He'd want to make more signings in January than Warburton would. The board would be weighing those factors up. Bring in someone as first team coach and they do just that coach the players they have. 3 wins in 19 is no recipe for success. Crazy to keep someone who has a record of 1 win every 4 or 5 games since he came here. All valid points 73; but the board have pretty heavily backed MW in the transfer window just gone. That'll be the main reason they don't sack him in the immediate future. TF and Amit also have a history of keeping managers on longer than most would wish for. |
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Post by 1973ranger on Oct 28, 2020 15:01:35 GMT
Bring in someone as first team coach and they do just that coach the players they have. 3 wins in 19 is no recipe for success. Crazy to keep someone who has a record of 1 win every 4 or 5 games since he came here. All valid points 73; but the board have pretty heavily backed MW in the transfer window just gone. That'll be the main reason they don't sack him in the immediate future. TF and Amit also have a history of keeping managers on longer than most would wish for. So when they claim to have learned clearly that is not the case. Holloway and McClaren both did a better job yet got moved on so cannot see any footballing reason why we keep him. Results do not lie and his track record shows good football with a good start and then fades away. |
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Post by Shania on Oct 28, 2020 15:06:59 GMT
Nigel Pearson fits the bill as far as championship experience is concerned.
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Oct 28, 2020 15:31:36 GMT
Weather it’s realistic or not depends on if the championship is a bigger pull then the Scottish league (I’m not suggesting we’re bigger then Rangers) but really impressed with Gerrard at Rangers. Would a move south to championship (Lampardess) be stepping stone in the prem opportunity Probably never happen but for me that would show little bit of ambition even if they just sounded it out rather then same tired names Bigger fish to fry up there Westy stopping 10 in a row. he could come here and sto 10 defeats in a row, |
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Post by West Acton on Oct 28, 2020 16:36:45 GMT
Just looking and Pearson’s managerial win % is 41%
I got no idea what is a good percentage for a manager so would 40ish% be good enough for us??
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Post by West Acton on Oct 28, 2020 16:38:39 GMT
Warburton career stats 48% win rate but guessing thats inflated by his time in Scotland 🏴
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Post by 1973ranger on Oct 28, 2020 16:40:45 GMT
Warburton career stats 48% win rate but guessing thats inflated by his time in Scotland 🏴 His win rate in Scotland is due to the fact he managed Rangers in the Scottish Championship with 20 times the budget of most other clubs. |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Oct 28, 2020 17:01:41 GMT
Get in John Sitton and leave the cameras rolling. The board wont do anything. They're a huge part of the problem. Complacent. Useless. And guaranteed when they finally do appoint they'll fuck it up as per. they have to bring a spirit board in cos he dead |
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Post by spongeparr on Oct 28, 2020 17:01:57 GMT
All valid points 73; but the board have pretty heavily backed MW in the transfer window just gone. That'll be the main reason they don't sack him in the immediate future. TF and Amit also have a history of keeping managers on longer than most would wish for. So when they claim to have learned clearly that is not the case. Holloway and McClaren both did a better job yet got moved on so cannot see any footballing reason why we keep him. Results do not lie and his track record shows good football with a good start and then fades away. If you think they did better then that's your opinion, but the football was terrible. We were punching above our weight before lockdown. Unless we go on a losing run, Warbs we'll be here until nearer January. He has us playing better football and he's tightened us up at the back. If Bonne finished his one on ones, or individual mistakes (pens) stop happening then there would be a different outlook - all ifs and buts yet true. People slating us for the PNE game, but they'll be top 6 by the end of the season and are no mugs. |
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Post by 1973ranger on Oct 28, 2020 17:12:22 GMT
So when they claim to have learned clearly that is not the case. Holloway and McClaren both did a better job yet got moved on so cannot see any footballing reason why we keep him. Results do not lie and his track record shows good football with a good start and then fades away. If you think they did better then that's your opinion, but the football was terrible. We were punching above our weight before lockdown. Unless we go on a losing run, Warbs we'll be here until nearer January. He has us playing better football and he's tightened us up at the back. If Bonne finished his one on ones, or individual mistakes (pens) stop happening then there would be a different outlook - all ifs and buts yet true. People slating us for the PNE game, but they'll be top 6 by the end of the season and are no mugs. Under Holloway yes but first half of Mc's spell was decent enough but the wheels fell off in the new year. Stats wise they did a better job and I do not think you got my point re Preston it was not losing it was the manner and how at no stage did we look like coming back. If you think differently then that is your opinion. As for individual mistakes step forward Barbet a centre half who is picked when fit by MW and has been a total dud since day one. We have conceded more penalties in just over a season than at any time in my 40 odd years I can remember. |
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Post by West Acton on Oct 28, 2020 17:26:28 GMT
His press conferences do stink a bit of wanting to pick a fight with the fans. Bit pompous I know best so pipe down. Nothing wrong with that if your walking the walk
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2020 18:12:42 GMT
He certainly appears a stubborn character...his exit from Brentford seemed to be his refusal to be flexible or open to a new position required of him by the club.
His refusal to compromise on tactics or team selection alternatives could yet again prove to be his downfall.at our club too if he’s not careful.
This is a time when he needs to stop and listen to advice given from his coaching staff and trusted friends.
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Post by awin on Oct 28, 2020 19:10:38 GMT
Get in John Sitton and leave the cameras rolling. The board wont do anything. They're a huge part of the problem. Complacent. Useless. And guaranteed when they finally do appoint they'll fuck it up as per. they have to bring a spirit board in cos he dead He’s not mate. |
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Post by Shania on Oct 28, 2020 19:17:36 GMT
Paul Cook ex. Wigan.
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Oct 28, 2020 19:29:04 GMT
they have to bring a spirit board in cos he dead He’s not mate. I know I was joking,he 60 odd now must be,so ideal striker for us |
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Post by The General on Oct 28, 2020 20:29:04 GMT
The blows lost it and if the clubs directors have anything about them they will end the pain now rather than risk league 1 football next season. However, who are realistic candidates for the job that we could attract -or not Edie Howe who is not going to walk into our shit show after managing Bournemouth over the last few years. Here are my realistic targets in no particular order - Lee Bowyer No Gareth Ainsworth No Joey and Clint No Pearson Yes Lee Johnson Maybe Tony No Darren Moore No Paul Cook No Pearson would be my own personal preference! Only Pearson in this lot has the bollox and know how to change our club back to the good times |
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Post by The General on Oct 28, 2020 20:32:01 GMT
He totally transformed Leicester and Watford both relegation cents
He is a nutter but it's about what is best for the club
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Post by The General on Oct 28, 2020 20:40:52 GMT
You forgot to mention Sam Alladyce
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Post by The General on Oct 28, 2020 20:43:29 GMT
Carlos Cavahol
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