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Post by The General on Oct 28, 2020 20:49:51 GMT
David Wagner
Martin o Neil
Roy Keane
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Post by alanwycombe on Oct 28, 2020 21:11:27 GMT
the players are better than our team performances No argument there from me. So it's management. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Oct 28, 2020 21:23:20 GMT
No argument there from me. So it's management. Yes, but it's the players too. As said earlier, through no fault of their own, they've not yet had time to bed in and build up a mutual understanding. That's the downside to having a major overhaul every summer. The team is expected to hit the ground running; then when it doesn't always go to plan, immediately the pressure comes down hard on the manager. |
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Post by alanwycombe on Oct 28, 2020 21:44:00 GMT
Yes, but it's the players too. As said earlier, through no fault of their own, they've not yet had time to bed in and build up a mutual understanding. That's the downside to having a major overhaul every summer. The team is expected to hit the ground running; then when it doesn't always go to plan, immediately the pressure comes down hard on the manager. Yeah, I get that but I don't have the confidence that he can deliver. Naive defending, little creativity (Adomah aside), rubbish set pieces and Hollowayesque substitions are repeated - these are things that should be changing even if there are a lot of new players |
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Post by Stanley75 on Oct 28, 2020 21:58:28 GMT
Yes, but it's the players too. As said earlier, through no fault of their own, they've not yet had time to bed in and build up a mutual understanding. That's the downside to having a major overhaul every summer. The team is expected to hit the ground running; then when it doesn't always go to plan, immediately the pressure comes down hard on the manager. Yeah, I get that but I don't have the confidence that he can deliver. Naive defending, little creativity (Adomah aside), rubbish set pieces and Hollowayesque substitions are repeated - these are things that should be changing even if there are a lot of new players I fully agree and share the frustration. Then you also factor in the injuries to Dykes, Thomas and Amos - key players of what's already a thin squad. I suspect we have one of the smallest squads in the division? |
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Post by James1979 on Oct 28, 2020 23:10:20 GMT
Yeah, I get that but I don't have the confidence that he can deliver. Naive defending, little creativity (Adomah aside), rubbish set pieces and Hollowayesque substitions are repeated - these are things that should be changing even if there are a lot of new players I fully agree and share the frustration. Then you also factor in the injuries to Dykes, Thomas and Amos - key players of what's already a thin squad. I suspect we have one of the smallest squads in the division? We lost 3-0 to Barnsley Stan. It’s embarrassing. It’s almost like the club has over time made us gradually accept that such a loss is “ok”. Bollocks to that. I think the gradual decline is a disgrace. We’re an ex premier club and one of bigger names in this league....not to mention being in London. Something is not right and it’s not just Warburton. We’ve offered a 4 year deal to a lad who has played less than 5 games in the championship.....why not wait until January. Where’s he going? Screams of panic and a reaction to contract issues with Manning and BOS. We’re told it’s good now as we’ve got “football men” in now. Look at our last few managers. How much worse could “non-football” men have done? It’s all nonsense. We’re clueless on and off the field. I think Warburton is least of our problems. |
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Post by Rangers77 on Oct 29, 2020 0:29:40 GMT
We're 0-3 to Barnsley scoring 2 and conceding 9..
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Post by Stanley75 on Oct 29, 2020 8:39:36 GMT
We lost 3-0 to Barnsley Stan. It’s embarrassing. It’s almost like the club has over time made us gradually accept that such a loss is “ok”. Bollocks to that. I think the gradual decline is a disgrace. We’re an ex premier club and one of bigger names in this league....not to mention being in London. Something is not right and it’s not just Warburton. We’ve offered a 4 year deal to a lad who has played less than 5 games in the championship.....why not wait until January. Where’s he going? Screams of panic and a reaction to contract issues with Manning and BOS. We’re told it’s good now as we’ve got “football men” in now. Look at our last few managers. How much worse could “non-football” men have done? It’s all nonsense. We’re clueless on and off the field. I think Warburton is least of our problems. I agree with all of that James. I've always maintained that this perpetual conveyor belt of new managers has just been a band aid to mask the underlying issues at the club. |
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Post by 1973ranger on Oct 29, 2020 8:44:00 GMT
We lost 3-0 to Barnsley Stan. It’s embarrassing. It’s almost like the club has over time made us gradually accept that such a loss is “ok”. Bollocks to that. I think the gradual decline is a disgrace. We’re an ex premier club and one of bigger names in this league....not to mention being in London. Something is not right and it’s not just Warburton. We’ve offered a 4 year deal to a lad who has played less than 5 games in the championship.....why not wait until January. Where’s he going? Screams of panic and a reaction to contract issues with Manning and BOS. We’re told it’s good now as we’ve got “football men” in now. Look at our last few managers. How much worse could “non-football” men have done? It’s all nonsense. We’re clueless on and off the field. I think Warburton is least of our problems. I agree with all of that James. I've always maintained that this perpetual conveyor belt of new managers has just been a band aid to mask the underlying issues at the club. The problems at the club were caused by one man only and the poor blokes who have tried to manage the team or get him and us out of the shite have never had a prayer from day one. Unfortunately we are heading in a direction that is hard to stop due to mis management and incompetence of the like never seen before. |
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Post by Corbray on Oct 29, 2020 9:03:29 GMT
thing is we always look good for the first 15-20 minutes then we look nervous. the players don't stay motivated and the problem with that lies with the manager.
fair enough ollie wasn't a good manager in his second spell but the players did fight for the whole 90. you don't see that under warbs and when we inevitably go a goal down our heads just drop and we give up.
warbs isn't getting the best out of the side and we look like we're getting worse
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Post by 1973ranger on Oct 29, 2020 9:06:54 GMT
Totally agree and the Preston game for me highlighted that. We lose games yes but the manner in which we are rolling over indicates a change needs to be made.
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Post by alanwycombe on Oct 29, 2020 9:13:26 GMT
His problem is not being able to change anything effectively. Stubborn
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Post by 1973ranger on Oct 29, 2020 9:16:01 GMT
Personally Alan I think he has run out of ideas and does not have the players that suit his style of play. No plan B has bitten him on the arse again.
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Post by spongeparr on Oct 29, 2020 9:18:35 GMT
If you think they did better then that's your opinion, but the football was terrible. We were punching above our weight before lockdown. Unless we go on a losing run, Warbs we'll be here until nearer January. He has us playing better football and he's tightened us up at the back. If Bonne finished his one on ones, or individual mistakes (pens) stop happening then there would be a different outlook - all ifs and buts yet true. People slating us for the PNE game, but they'll be top 6 by the end of the season and are no mugs. Under Holloway yes but first half of Mc's spell was decent enough but the wheels fell off in the new year. Stats wise they did a better job and I do not think you got my point re Preston it was not losing it was the manner and how at no stage did we look like coming back. If you think differently then that is your opinion. As for individual mistakes step forward Barbet a centre half who is picked when fit by MW and has been a total dud since day one. We have conceded more penalties in just over a season than at any time in my 40 odd years I can remember. Yeah to be fair, under Stevie we did play some good stuff, but it went to pot when we got a few injuries to key players. He would probably do well with the Eze that we had last season who was a bit older and ready to be the main man. I still think PNE are a good team and they'll suck the life out of many teams and win. |
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Post by 1973ranger on Oct 29, 2020 9:25:55 GMT
Under Holloway yes but first half of Mc's spell was decent enough but the wheels fell off in the new year. Stats wise they did a better job and I do not think you got my point re Preston it was not losing it was the manner and how at no stage did we look like coming back. If you think differently then that is your opinion. As for individual mistakes step forward Barbet a centre half who is picked when fit by MW and has been a total dud since day one. We have conceded more penalties in just over a season than at any time in my 40 odd years I can remember. Yeah to be fair, under Stevie we did play some good stuff, but it went to pot when we got a few injuries to key players. He would probably do well with the Eze that we had last season who was a bit older and ready to be the main man. I still think PNE are a good team and they'll suck the life out of many teams and win. Sponge cannot disagree with you on Preston though they are better away than at home. My concern is the acceptance and lack of belief when we go behind now. MW needs a Eze to get away with his style of play. |
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Post by alanwycombe on Oct 29, 2020 9:31:41 GMT
Personally Alan I think he has run out of ideas and does not have the players that suit his style of play. No plan B has bitten him on the arse again. Looking like it, yes. |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Oct 29, 2020 9:34:09 GMT
Wednesday will sack monk soon,they will take action and jump above us.
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Post by West Acton on Oct 29, 2020 9:47:07 GMT
Paul cook is super shout
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Post by 1973ranger on Oct 29, 2020 9:50:47 GMT
In no particular order
Lee Bowyer
Cowley Brothers
Nigel Pearson.
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Oct 29, 2020 10:01:26 GMT
I want a younger,non Brit non dinosaur,non usual candidate. Its like a Norfolk dating app,same 5-10 names and getting the gravy
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Post by Stanley75 on Oct 29, 2020 10:29:31 GMT
Just realised we've not scored a single goal in the last 4 games - 360 minutes of football! 😮
Warbs said we've been trying to score the perfect goal 😅
I've not even looked at the table since the Bournemouth game. Too depressing.
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Post by 1973ranger on Oct 29, 2020 10:35:38 GMT
Cardiff is huge as they will come and play and put it on us and lets see if this lot can stand up to the challenge we face.
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Post by West Acton on Oct 29, 2020 10:45:18 GMT
Just realised we've not scored a single goal in the last 4 games - 360 minutes of football! 😮 There lies the problem |
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Post by 1973ranger on Oct 29, 2020 11:00:50 GMT
Just realised we've not scored a single goal in the last 4 games - 360 minutes of football! 😮 There lies the problem How do you reckon we can change it with the players we have? |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Oct 29, 2020 11:06:34 GMT
We have missed our"own" striker for ages,we just added defense to list
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Post by alanwycombe on Oct 29, 2020 11:17:06 GMT
How do you reckon we can change it with the players we have? Get Albert fit for 90.Get Dykes and Bonne to get in there for his crosses. Defenders concentrate on defending and give it to others to play. Forget Carroll unless he can be persuaded to pass forward. Keep Dom Ball and persevere with the 4132 that looked so promising for 20 mins. Stop making stupid substitutions. Give the Kelman kid a chance if Bonne doesn't shape up pronto. Recognise you might be wrong MW. |
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Post by alanwycombe on Oct 29, 2020 11:21:12 GMT
And Willock in for Chair or Carroll.
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Post by alanwycombe on Oct 29, 2020 11:28:31 GMT
Stan made the point about a new squad every year (something I thought the DOF idea was supposed to prevent) so surely you play it simple, stick to the basics, get some points on the board to build confidence THEN start messing about with systems etc.
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Post by 1qprdk on Oct 29, 2020 14:56:17 GMT
I want a younger,non Brit non dinosaur,non usual candidate. Its like a Norfolk dating app,same 5-10 names and getting the gravy Solbakken (Norwegian coach) just got the sack in Copenhagen a few weeks ago. Has been a success for most of his time here in DK, but plays a bit boring style: very safe, men behind the ball, low risk game. Prefers two strikers, and normally plays 442. |
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Post by coneysboots on Oct 29, 2020 15:58:09 GMT
Marti Cifuentes. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mart%C3%AD_CifuentesHe has worked wonders with next to nothing to spend in the Norwegian top flight. Coaching background from Barcelona B, Ajax and Millwall. Only 38 years old and very good at organising a team. He has not signed a new contract with Sandefjord FK so far. You don't see them three in the same sentance often  |
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