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Post by Maidstone_Hoop on Sept 5, 2020 14:27:45 GMT
Today’s result shows imo that our fans who think the likes of chair, Kakay, Materson ect will be enough for us to compete without some sensible signings are a little deluded.
All three are good players and have potential but imo are squad players. We need 5 or 6 very shrewd signings if we are going to compete at championship level.
Without Wells, Hugil and Eze and Manning and BOS playing like they are off we have a lot of work to do.
New GK, LB, arguably more cb options, Amos shouldn’t be playing in the 3 behind the striker, new winger, defintely a new 10 to at least compete with chair but imo to start in front of him and we need goals.
I think Dykes is a great signing but if he scored 10-12 goals I’ll be shocked. He’ll link up play and be a nuisance and probably a fans fav but we need a goal scorer or two proven at this level.
Forrest will roll us over with the team we put out today. We need to make some moves fast.
Some of our youngsters are good prospects but they are not ready to play 46 games in the champ and be relied upon to keep us up!
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Post by Rangers77 on Sept 5, 2020 14:29:50 GMT
So thin up front they'll be pulling fans out of the stand to play.
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Post by Tarbie on Sept 5, 2020 14:37:52 GMT
I honestly don't think we need 5 or 6 players in mate.
2 more forwards would be nice. Maybe an out and out striker and an offensive midfielder would just about cut it at a push. We need another centre half for sure. I wouldn't mind seeing 1 more defensive midfielder too.
Don't agree that we need another left back. Wallace is decent, Barbet can play there and Niko deserves a chance. From what I've seen of him, he's good enough for this level.
As for the keeper. As things stand, we have 4 keepers. I think Barnes will go this week and obviously there are a few question marks around Lumley. If those 2 go then we need another goalie. Depends how much you rate Kelly and Dieng whether you believe we need a first team keeper or a back up. Perhaps we could look at a loan from the Prem.
On the subject of loans, I suspect that might be the route we take to plug some of the gaps in the squad. I think there will be a flurry of activity in the loan market closer to the deadline.
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Post by 1973ranger on Sept 5, 2020 14:45:49 GMT
I honestly don't think we need 5 or 6 players in mate. 2 more forwards would be nice. Maybe an out and out striker and an offensive midfielder would just about cut it at a push. We need another centre half for sure. I wouldn't mind seeing 1 more defensive midfielder too. Don't agree that we need another left back. Wallace is decent, Barbet can play there and Niko deserves a chance. From what I've seen of him, he's good enough for this level. As for the keeper. As things stand, we have 4 keepers. I think Barnes will go this week and obviously there are a few question marks around Lumley. If those 2 go then we need another goalie. Depends how much you rate Kelly and Dieng whether you believe we need a first team keeper or a back up. Perhaps we could look at a loan from the Prem. On the subject of loans, I suspect that might be the route we take to plug some of the gaps in the squad. I think there will be a flurry of activity in the loan market closer to the deadline. Tarbie. We have four blokes who put gloves on but not one of them are proven at this level. You were quite strong on not needing a new keeper as others areas are more urgent, The keeper is the most important position on the pitch as it all starts and finishes from there. |
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Post by Hitman34 on Sept 5, 2020 14:47:40 GMT
so far, we have a squad of 29 players.
we clearly need to let a few go first, namely poppadom hands and kelly.
plus gubbings and masterson should be sent out on loan.
our one mistake is that leistner was let go. if we had him and dickie in defense, we would be in alot better shape.
i do not rate barbet one bit.
there is still a hell of alot of work to sort out the current squad but, a new goal scoring striker is a must.
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Post by Tarbie on Sept 5, 2020 14:49:05 GMT
Your point is only valid if we can bring in anyone better 73. Decent keepers cost money. I can't think of many off the top of my head that we can realistically get who'll significantly improve us.
Maybe somebody on loan from a Prem side?
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Post by Stanley75 on Sept 5, 2020 14:49:18 GMT
Ryan Manning should be 3rd choice LB behind Wallace and Niko. Why the fuck is this manager still persisting with him when every time he plays he's a defensive liability that costs us goals? Again and again it happens. Today was no different. Does he have blinkers on or something? Worse still, what the fuck must Wallace and Niko be thinking every time they have to witness this? What's it doing to their own morale?
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Post by Hitman34 on Sept 5, 2020 14:51:57 GMT
Ryan Manning should be 3rd choice LB behind Wallace and Niko. Why the fuck is this manager still persisting with him when every time he plays he's a defence liability that costs us goals? Again and again it happens. Today was no different. Does he have blinkers on or something? Worse still, what the fuck must Wallace and Niko be thinking every time they have to witness this? What's it doing to their own morale? manning and bos should not have been playing. he gave them a deadline of yesterday to sign a new contract or be stuck in the reserves. he is clearly not a man of his word. |
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Post by Tarbie on Sept 5, 2020 14:53:25 GMT
so far, we have a squad of 29 players. we clearly need to let a few go first, namely poppadom hands and kelly. plus gubbings and masterson should be sent out on loan. our one mistake is that leistner was let go. if we had him and dickie in defense, we would be in alot better shape. i do not rate barbet one bit. there is still a hell of alot of work to sort out the current squad but, a new goal scoring striker is a must. Why would you send Masterson out mate? Looks good enough to me. You're also off your head if you think the answer is to sell all of our keepers a week before the season kicks off. As for Leistner, we fucked that one up way before this transfer window. From what I've heard he was told he was surplus to requirements literally on day 1 or 2 of Warburton's tenure. He didn't want to play for the manager and never wanted to come back from his loan spell in Germany. He was sleeping in Geoff Cameron's spare room wasn't he? Didn't even have a house here anymore. |
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Post by Maidstone_Hoop on Sept 5, 2020 14:53:38 GMT
I honestly don't think we need 5 or 6 players in mate. 2 more forwards would be nice. Maybe an out and out striker and an offensive midfielder would just about cut it at a push. We need another centre half for sure. I wouldn't mind seeing 1 more defensive midfielder too. Don't agree that we need another left back. Wallace is decent, Barbet can play there and Niko deserves a chance. From what I've seen of him, he's good enough for this level. As for the keeper. As things stand, we have 4 keepers. I think Barnes will go this week and obviously there are a few question marks around Lumley. If those 2 go then we need another goalie. Depends how much you rate Kelly and Dieng whether you believe we need a first team keeper or a back up. Perhaps we could look at a loan from the Prem. On the subject of loans, I suspect that might be the route we take to plug some of the gaps in the squad. I think there will be a flurry of activity in the loan market closer to the deadline. Tarbie, your entitled to your opinion mate just like everyone but I couldn’t disagree more and if today’s result against a poor team doesn’t show we are still very vulnerable at the back and lack a cutting edge then I don’t know what will demonstrate the need for us to bring more players in. Chair will not be like Eze, Kakay and Materson are raw and talented and we are not strong on the wings and lack goal scorers up top before we even talk about our goalkeeping options. |
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Post by Tarbie on Sept 5, 2020 15:00:23 GMT
I honestly don't think we need 5 or 6 players in mate. 2 more forwards would be nice. Maybe an out and out striker and an offensive midfielder would just about cut it at a push. We need another centre half for sure. I wouldn't mind seeing 1 more defensive midfielder too. Don't agree that we need another left back. Wallace is decent, Barbet can play there and Niko deserves a chance. From what I've seen of him, he's good enough for this level. As for the keeper. As things stand, we have 4 keepers. I think Barnes will go this week and obviously there are a few question marks around Lumley. If those 2 go then we need another goalie. Depends how much you rate Kelly and Dieng whether you believe we need a first team keeper or a back up. Perhaps we could look at a loan from the Prem. On the subject of loans, I suspect that might be the route we take to plug some of the gaps in the squad. I think there will be a flurry of activity in the loan market closer to the deadline. Tarbie, your entitled to your opinion mate just like everyone but I couldn’t disagree more and if today’s result against a poor team doesn’t show we are still very vulnerable at the back and lack a cutting edge then I don’t know what will demonstrate the need for us to bring more players in. Chair will not be like Eze, Kakay and Materson are raw and talented and we are not strong on the wings and lack goal scorers up top before we even talk about our goalkeeping options. Dykes is still to come in mate. I think add someone like Scott Hogan and all of a sudden we look pretty well stocked up top. Same story at the back. Barbet will be back next week. Add another genuine first team centre half then we have decent options across the back 4. I just don't believe it's anywhere near as doom and gloom as some are making out. Minor tweaks required rather than sweeping changes. I suppose it also depends what you are expecting out of the season. I'm happy enough with us being the upper end of mid table. |
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Post by 1973ranger on Sept 5, 2020 15:23:34 GMT
Your point is only valid if we can bring in anyone better 73. Decent keepers cost money. I can't think of many off the top of my head that we can realistically get who'll significantly improve us. Maybe somebody on loan from a Prem side? David Marshall was available and proven at this level when I made the point. Coming from Wigan would have made him fit in to our wage structure. Would have been good for Dieng. |
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Post by Maidstone_Hoop on Sept 5, 2020 21:07:51 GMT
I genuinely think we will get relegated with the team we have right now.
This league is very tight and I think if MW and co can bring in 4/5/6 decent signings then over night we can easily compete.
However, right now we much weaker than last year defensively and we don’t have the fire power to get us out of trouble that we did last season.
Anyone know why Barbet wasn’t in the squad today? Hopefully not injured again because if so that’s another big issue!
Hopefully some of the rumours that the likes of Adomah, Austin, Watson, Chaplin, Jones are true and that we also look at another cb and GK.
We need to add some savy champ level players to the team ASAP and not rely on the kids.
Chair is not Eze and feel sorry for the lad as he’s a level or two below and I think he will frustrate many people here in the upcoming weeks.
Am I right in thinking that MW played Amos in the 10 slot again today?
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Post by Stanley75 on Sept 5, 2020 22:12:37 GMT
Am I right in thinking that MW played Amos in the 10 slot again today? That was Chair I think. It was a 4-2-2-2. IIRC he started with: lumley kakay masterson dickie manning ball ltc amos chair oteh bos |
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Post by acricketer on Sept 5, 2020 23:33:17 GMT
Every season in the past few years has started this way and generated similar threads. I'm waiting until we lose to Forest on Saturday before I weigh in.
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Post by Ginger Ninja on Sept 6, 2020 11:37:35 GMT
Fuck me, 1 cup game and we're getting relegated 😂
Wouldnt want to be in the trenches with some of you lot.
It's almost as if losing a cup game to a lower league side is unheard of lol.
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Post by 1973ranger on Sept 6, 2020 11:43:20 GMT
Fuck me, 1 cup game and we're getting relegated 😂 Wouldnt want to be in the trenches with some of you lot. It's almost as if losing a cup game to a lower league side is unheard of lol. Ginge. It is the manner of the defeat shit defending again and again and since he came in not one single shred of improvement on that front. No point scoring 2 and letting in 3 bang average goals. |
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Post by Maidstone_Hoop on Sept 6, 2020 12:53:23 GMT
Fuck me, 1 cup game and we're getting relegated 😂 Wouldnt want to be in the trenches with some of you lot. It's almost as if losing a cup game to a lower league side is unheard of lol. Ginge we’ve played two league 1 teams and lost, it’s hardly confidence inspiring as well is it? We have a weaker defence than last year in which that defence has one of the worst statistics on the league and we don’t have the same fire power to our score teams currently. As things stand I’m not quite sure what fans are hanging on to that says we are geared up to starve of a relegation fight. I am holding on to the thought that the last two games are hopefully scaring the shit out of our owners and we are going to bring in 5 or 6 decent signings because we desperately need it! |
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Post by Greg1882 on Sept 6, 2020 13:37:36 GMT
Every year we get the pre season doom and gloom about how we’re shit and certs to go down. It’s always nowhere near the end of the transfer window and, 16/17 aside we’re never really in any danger. It’s the same story every pre season
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Post by Greg1882 on Sept 6, 2020 13:39:50 GMT
Fuck me, 1 cup game and we're getting relegated 😂 Wouldnt want to be in the trenches with some of you lot. It's almost as if losing a cup game to a lower league side is unheard of lol. Ginge we’ve played two league 1 teams and lost, it’s hardly confidence inspiring as well is it? We have a weaker defence than last year in which that defence has one of the worst statistics on the league and we don’t have the same fire power to our score teams currently. As things stand I’m not quite sure what fans are hanging on to that says we are geared up to starve of a relegation fight. I am holding on to the thought that the last two games are hopefully scaring the shit out of our owners and we are going to bring in 5 or 6 decent signings because we desperately need it! How have we got a weaker defence? Because hall has gone? He’s been replaced by arguably the best defender in league 1. Isn’t that what we’re supposed to be doing? Buying low and selling high? Can’t really count leistner he wasn’t here for most of the season. We’ve left number 5 free. It doesn’t take a genius to work out what the clubs plans are with that does it? |
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Post by Maidstone_Hoop on Sept 6, 2020 13:42:09 GMT
Every year we get the pre season doom and gloom about how we’re shit and certs to go down. It’s always nowhere near the end of the transfer window and, 16/17 aside we’re never really in any danger. It’s the same story every pre season I hope your right mate, but tbf in the seasons gone by I’ve actually thought we’ve had enough to survive or there were genuinely 3 worst teams than us, even if we have had a poor pre season. This year I’m looking at our squad right now and I think it’s weaker as it stands than 17/18 teams in this league and on par with the other 5/6 teams. However, we have time to change that worry but we need some serious reinforcement all over the park! |
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Post by Ginger Ninja on Sept 6, 2020 14:29:42 GMT
Fuck me, 1 cup game and we're getting relegated 😂 Wouldnt want to be in the trenches with some of you lot. It's almost as if losing a cup game to a lower league side is unheard of lol. Ginge we’ve played two league 1 teams and lost, it’s hardly confidence inspiring as well is it? We have a weaker defence than last year in which that defence has one of the worst statistics on the league and we don’t have the same fire power to our score teams currently. As things stand I’m not quite sure what fans are hanging on to that says we are geared up to starve of a relegation fight. I am holding on to the thought that the last two games are hopefully scaring the shit out of our owners and we are going to bring in 5 or 6 decent signings because we desperately need it! 1 was a fucking friendly so I'm not entertaining that. And we lose to a lower league side in the Cup every year, when was the last time we were relegated? |
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Post by Tarbie on Sept 6, 2020 14:30:39 GMT
Ginge we’ve played two league 1 teams and lost, it’s hardly confidence inspiring as well is it? We have a weaker defence than last year in which that defence has one of the worst statistics on the league and we don’t have the same fire power to our score teams currently. As things stand I’m not quite sure what fans are hanging on to that says we are geared up to starve of a relegation fight. I am holding on to the thought that the last two games are hopefully scaring the shit out of our owners and we are going to bring in 5 or 6 decent signings because we desperately need it! 1 was a fucking friendly so I'm not entertaining that. And we lose to a lower league side in the Cup every year, when was the last time we were relegated? Being way too sensible there mate! 😂 |
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Post by Stanley75 on Sept 6, 2020 14:56:54 GMT
we lose to a lower league side in the Cup every year What an absolutely shameful stat that is too! 😃 |
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Post by Shania on Sept 6, 2020 15:03:56 GMT
Fuck me, 1 cup game and we're getting relegated 😂 Wouldnt want to be in the trenches with some of you lot. It's almost as if losing a cup game to a lower league side is unheard of lol. You were just as dissapointed  as most of us were yesterday, Ginger Ninja. |
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Post by Ginger Ninja on Sept 6, 2020 16:00:07 GMT
Fuck me, 1 cup game and we're getting relegated 😂 Wouldnt want to be in the trenches with some of you lot. It's almost as if losing a cup game to a lower league side is unheard of lol. You were just as dissapointed as most of us were yesterday, Ginger Ninja. Yeah I was disappointed, of course I was. But I'm not pressing the "OH MY GOD WE'RE GETTING RELEGATED" button just yet, am I? |
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Post by Shania on Sept 6, 2020 16:17:55 GMT
You were just as dissapointed as most of us were yesterday, Ginger Ninja. Yeah I was disappointed, of course I was. But I'm not pressing the "OH MY GOD WE'RE GETTING RELEGATED" button just yet, am I? No, you are trying to stay as positive as possible, I guess - But What I find thought provoking is that Warburton doesn`t mention our poor defensive fragilties at all. In the end such a take at a very important part of the game might eventually lead to relegation whether he likes it or not. |
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Post by Norfolk Ranger on Sept 6, 2020 16:36:49 GMT
It is quite concerning with the noises coming out of the club that we only need 2-3 more signings. Imo we need to bring in at least 4 in of a good championship standard to be able to push on this season.
If we can get the recruitment right and hopefully Warburton can address the defensive issues,then i can't see no reason why we can't do better than last season. I think as fans we do tend to big up the opposition more than what they really are,imo the league is weaker this time around.
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Post by acricketer on Sept 6, 2020 16:50:51 GMT
You were just as dissapointed as most of us were yesterday, Ginger Ninja. Yeah I was disappointed, of course I was. But I'm not pressing the "OH MY GOD WE'RE GETTING RELEGATED" button just yet, am I? I'm waiting for the Forest game. |
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Post by 1973ranger on Sept 6, 2020 16:57:36 GMT
we lose to a lower league side in the Cup every year What an absolutely shameful stat that is too! 😃 Would have been playing Orient had we have got through. For a club that needs to generate money I cannot for the life of me why we just roll over every year in these cup competitions and funny thing is the fans seems to accept this is what happens. |
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as most of us were yesterday, Ginger Ninja.