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Post by Maidstone_Hoop on Sept 8, 2020 19:44:29 GMT
I think this season is going to end in tears right now.
Eze, Hugil, Wells all gone and BOS on the way. That must be 40-50 of our goals from last season.
So far we have replaced the above fire power with Dykes (good signing), who even the most optimistic fanS can’t expect To solely be our driving force for goals on his own.
Chair, is unproven and raw and is seen as Eze’s direct replacement by many on here and I think he will is seriously going to frustrate fans.
We let in 76 goals in the league last year, have lost experienced defenders in Hall, Rangel and Leinster and so far replaced them with Dickie and have Manning, Kakay and Materson as other options who all played numerous games last season.
MW says 2/3 more signings and the players we are linked with as we speak don’t seem to have any champ experience and are Barton basement options.
Unless the club pull their finger out soon, we have a very poor champ team, that is significantly weaker than last year and has all the recipients of relegation candidates.
The delusion on this board atm that youngsters many of whom played last year are going to help us kick on is imo a little bit bemusing.
I am still hoping the club have a few tricks up their sleeves and this is a traditional pre season melt down. However, as things stand the squad scares the life out of me and the players we are being Linked with are hardly inspiring.
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Post by Tarbie on Sept 8, 2020 19:54:37 GMT
Good job the window doesn't shut for a few weeks then, isn't it mate?
I do also think a few of the younger players will surprise you. You talk about Chair being unproven and raw, wasn't Eze that a year ago?
We'll be fine. As much as I agree that there are some fairly worrying gaps in the squad, I think the club are working hard to address that problem. I also think there will be a flurry of activity, particularly with regards to loans from Prem clubs closer to the end of the window.
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Post by Stanley75 on Sept 8, 2020 20:14:53 GMT
It's certainly a view. And I'm sure you're not alone in it Maids. One month to go though and a lot can happen in that time, so I wouldn't panic just yet. |
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Post by Maidstone_Hoop on Sept 8, 2020 20:18:32 GMT
Good job the window doesn't shut for a few weeks then, isn't it mate? I do also think a few of the younger players will surprise you. You talk about Chair being unproven and raw, wasn't Eze that a year ago? We'll be fine. As much as I agree that there are some fairly worrying gaps in the squad, I think the club are working hard to address that problem. I also think there will be a flurry of activity, particularly with regards to loans from Prem clubs closer to the end of the window. I genuinely hope you are right Tarbie. I like the signings we have made so far but we need more. Looking at the squad now we will struggle to compete on this league. We will leak goals and don’t have enough fire power. Some of the players we are linked with currently don’t have champ experience and look more like gambles that could go either way. It would be nice to see some more movement and for the club to awknowledge we need more than 2/3 players. Dykes potentially being injured shows how vulnerable our depth of squad is and the season starts on Saturday!! |
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Post by Corbray on Sept 8, 2020 21:04:48 GMT
if the window closed right now then i would agree that we would be in trouble, but it hasn't and i highly doubt that we won't bring in any reinforcements for next season.
lets wait and see, i think we'll sign a few more good players. i agree that losing hugill, wells, eze and probably bos is incredibly worrying but i can see us plugging those holes and improving other areas of the pitch to compensate their irreplaceable losses. onwards and upwards!
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Post by croydoncaptainjack on Sept 8, 2020 22:24:48 GMT
A bit sensationalist isn't it mate?
I really like your posts generally but I think we need to at least start the season before putting up the white flag.
I think we are two or three signings away from being a decent team.
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Post by Maidstone_Hoop on Sept 8, 2020 22:39:34 GMT
A bit sensationalist isn't it mate? I really like your posts generally but I think we need to at least start the season before putting up the white flag. I think we are two or three signings away from being a decent team. Im just sharing what I’m thinking mate. It might be sensationalist to some but I genuinely think we are a lot weaker than last year. I can’t see where the goals are coming from and I still think we will leak plenty and the players we are linked with right now do not fill me with confidence. I am completely open minded to the fact the window is still open and things can change and I’m not saying they are not. I think It’s tight margins in the champ and four or five shrewd signings could change us from a squad right now that looks like it could struggle to stay up to a team that could easily compete mid table and maybe more. Right now I think we are still a long way from that and it does worry me. Hopefully the club have some gems lined up! |
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Post by Tarbie on Sept 8, 2020 23:36:57 GMT
Maids, can you name a team in this division that isn't weaker today than it was end of last season? Maybe there are 1 or 2, but I think on the whole funds are tight and teams are far from finished with their transfer dealings.
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Post by shepherdsmush on Sept 9, 2020 0:38:20 GMT
White flags out before a ball is kicked....nothing new there.
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Post by Ginger Ninja on Sept 9, 2020 1:51:19 GMT
Farkin ell
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Post by West Acton on Sept 9, 2020 5:18:20 GMT
Maids, can you name a team in this division that isn't weaker today than it was end of last season? Maybe there are 1 or 2, but I think on the whole funds are tight and teams are far from finished with their transfer dealings. was going say Forest aside who who finished below us has got stronger. I liked Hughill I wanted him stay but I recall mater of months ago fans saying he was a donkey, send him back West Ham and the phrase used for Oteh, he was an empty shirt. Can't judge anyone until window closes |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Sept 9, 2020 5:30:09 GMT
May not be in free fall but def treating water
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Post by Maidstone_Hoop on Sept 9, 2020 6:52:05 GMT
Maids, can you name a team in this division that isn't weaker today than it was end of last season? Maybe there are 1 or 2, but I think on the whole funds are tight and teams are far from finished with their transfer dealings. I think that’s a fair point Tarbie but it’s all in perspective. I think a lot of teams are weaker but just not as weak as us. I can see all the comments below and can tell some fans think this post is harsh or OTT but in the last previous seasons even in the turmoil our club has been in I’ve thought there have been either 3 worst teams than or us or we had enough about us to stay up. Our pre season has been shocking and our squad is, especially defensively is very poor and we have no special players who can create that bit of magic. Happy to eat humble pie in a few weeks time when the window shuts and we’ve signed 5 or 6 decent players and MW has a cohesive team competing in the league as that’s what we all want. My point purely right now is where people think I’m sensationalist, I think there’s a lot of blind optimism on here right now and we will struggle badly as things stand! |
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Post by James1979 on Sept 9, 2020 7:03:59 GMT
Maids, can you name a team in this division that isn't weaker today than it was end of last season? Maybe there are 1 or 2, but I think on the whole funds are tight and teams are far from finished with their transfer dealings. I think that’s a fair point Tarbie but it’s all in perspective. I think a lot of teams are weaker but just not as weak as us. I can see all the comments below and can tell some fans think this post is harsh or OTT but in the last previous seasons even in the turmoil our club has been in I’ve thought there have been either 3 worst teams than or us or we had enough about us to stay up. Our pre season has been shocking and our squad is, especially defensively is very poor and we have no special players who can create that bit of magic. Happy to eat humble pie in a few weeks time when the window shuts and we’ve signed 5 or 6 decent players and MW has a cohesive team competing in the league as that’s what we all want. My point purely right now is where people think I’m sensationalist, I think there’s a lot of blind optimism on here right now and we will struggle badly as things stand! GK - unchanged Defence - with Dickie coming in, surely our defence has to (on paper) be stronger? Kakay also looks better than Kane. Wallace at left back. Dickies only been here what a week? Midfield - again surely with additions we have to be better. Not much better but still improved Forwards - is Hugill that much better than Dykes? Let’s see. I think BOS can be replaced and that leaves Chair vs Eze. Clearly Eze is far better now but let’s not write team off yet. Where you are right is that we desperately need some cover for our forwards. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2020 10:10:47 GMT
I agree with Maidstone Hoops thoughts and fears about this season...this isn’t raising the white flag it’s called realism.
A team of Girl Guides would outmuscle our current powderpuff midfield trio of Carroll Amos and Ball.
MW has probably less than Fifteen games to stop playing the Fool with our clubs place in the Championship.
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Post by James1979 on Sept 9, 2020 10:19:09 GMT
I agree with Maidstone Hoops thoughts and fears about this season...this isn’t raising the white flag it’s called realism. A team of Girl Guides would outmuscle our current powderpuff midfield trio of Carroll Amos and Ball. MW has probably less than Fifteen games to stop playing the Fool with our clubs place in the Championship. Pretty harsh on Ball and you’ve also got Cameron. |
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Post by Shania on Sept 9, 2020 10:22:29 GMT
I`ve no problem seeing where the opening poster is coming from. Remember how we failed to keep Wells last season. But to be honest, I think the powers that be have learn`t their lesson now - in even more difficult circumstances (Budget and the Corona-situation).
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Post by Maidstone_Hoop on Sept 9, 2020 10:30:49 GMT
I think that’s a fair point Tarbie but it’s all in perspective. I think a lot of teams are weaker but just not as weak as us. I can see all the comments below and can tell some fans think this post is harsh or OTT but in the last previous seasons even in the turmoil our club has been in I’ve thought there have been either 3 worst teams than or us or we had enough about us to stay up. Our pre season has been shocking and our squad is, especially defensively is very poor and we have no special players who can create that bit of magic. Happy to eat humble pie in a few weeks time when the window shuts and we’ve signed 5 or 6 decent players and MW has a cohesive team competing in the league as that’s what we all want. My point purely right now is where people think I’m sensationalist, I think there’s a lot of blind optimism on here right now and we will struggle badly as things stand! GK - unchanged Defence - with Dickie coming in, surely our defence has to (on paper) be stronger? Kakay also looks better than Kane. Wallace at left back. Dickies only been here what a week? Midfield - again surely with additions we have to be better. Not much better but still improved Forwards - is Hugill that much better than Dykes? Let’s see. I think BOS can be replaced and that leaves Chair vs Eze. Clearly Eze is far better now but let’s not write team off yet. Where you are right is that we desperately need some cover for our forwards. This is what I don’t understand and I think where I’m disagreeing with some of you lot. GK - unchanged - we all know there are issues here Defence - let in 75 goals and lost Hall, Leinster and Rangel. Kakay and Materson played numerous times last year and were part of the issues we had at the back!! So far not only have we lost players, we’ve only brought in one defender who I do rate. Midfield - Lost Eze and BOS on his way (if rumours are to be believed) - We lack creativity and championship nous. Striker - Yes atm Hugil is more proven then Dykes. Doesn’t mean Dykes won’t be a good signing but Hugil scores 15 time’s in this league last season. Chair isn’t a striker a is very raw and not to the level of Eze, BOS is not a striker and is off soon, leaving us with Oteh as a back up. So as things stand it’s down to Dykes and Oteh to replace the 28-30 goals Hugil and Wells scored for us!! |
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Post by Tarbie on Sept 9, 2020 10:31:08 GMT
Some ridiculous over reactions amongst our fanbase at the moment, in my opinion.
Lighten up guys. We've just smashed our record for a transfer fee received. And as much as the manager is playing it down, some of that money is there to be spent. For the first time in a few years we've also just signed a centre forward (not a loan, our player), with potential and the ability to improve and move on for significantly more money a few season down the line. We have signed one of the highest rated central defenders outside of the Premier League. Again, I'd hope he improves and generates some really decent revenue a few years down the line.
Yeah, there are a few gaping holes in the squad. We can all see that. But there are also 3 more weeks of the transfer window to address that. And I know, the nay sayers will be saying "but the league starts this weekend", and of course it does. But at the end of the day, it isn't the end of the world if we aren't at full strength until 2 or 3 games in. There are plenty of other sides in the same boat.
There are no magic wands in the transfer market. We are operating on a tight budget and we don't take chances on players we are 50/50 about or we feel are overpriced these days (and god knows if we did there would be somebody on here waiting to pounce the minute it went sour). We are probably trying to get players on better terms than the parent club will want them to go for. As such, some of these deals probably won't kick into action until we get near the transfer deadline. This is particularly relevant when it comes to loan signings. We've seen it in the last few years when we were getting impatient for strikers, then all of a sudden near the end of the window a couple of strikers turned up on loan.
A bit of patience is what's required right now. All this hyperbole about relegation, and griping on social media is daft and counterproductive.
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Post by Shania on Sept 9, 2020 10:37:55 GMT
I agree with Maidstone Hoops thoughts and fears about this season...this isn’t raising the white flag it’s called realism. A team of Girl Guides would outmuscle our current powderpuff midfield trio of Carroll Amos and Ball. MW has probably less than Fifteen games to stop playing the Fool with our clubs place in the Championship. He is the main problem,imo. |
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Post by Ginger Ninja on Sept 9, 2020 10:40:16 GMT
Why is Leistner going an issue? Why does it mean we are weaker than last season with him gone? He didn't play for us for the majority of it. And he was shite.
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Post by awin on Sept 9, 2020 10:47:03 GMT
I agree with Maidstone Hoops thoughts and fears about this season...this isn’t raising the white flag it’s called realism. A team of Girl Guides would outmuscle our current powderpuff midfield trio of Carroll Amos and Ball. MW has probably less than Fifteen games to stop playing the Fool with our clubs place in the Championship. He is the main problem,imo. MW is the problem? I just give up on some fans. Highest league position in seasons, limited budget, bringing young players through, selling a player for our highest ever transfer fee. Other than turn water into wine, what do people want? |
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Post by West Acton on Sept 9, 2020 10:56:22 GMT
He is the main problem,imo. MW is the problem? I just give up on some fans. Highest league position in seasons, limited budget, bringing young players through, selling a player for our highest ever transfer fee. Other than turn water into wine, what do people want? Awin could not agree more. We have some fans with wildly unrealistic expectations or they still see us as a premier league team in their heads |
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Post by Tarbie on Sept 9, 2020 10:57:03 GMT
He is the main problem,imo. MW is the problem? I just give up on some fans. Highest league position in seasons, limited budget, bringing young players through, selling a player for our highest ever transfer fee. Other than turn water into wine, what do people want? Agreed mate. Warburton's interpretation of the defensive side of the game drives me absolutely bananas, but he is still the best manager we've had since Warnock. Aside from the defensive frailties, he's improved us significantly in every area. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2020 10:59:00 GMT
I agree with Maidstone Hoops thoughts and fears about this season...this isn’t raising the white flag it’s called realism. A team of Girl Guides would outmuscle our current powderpuff midfield trio of Carroll Amos and Ball. MW has probably less than Fifteen games to stop playing the Fool with our clubs place in the Championship. Pretty harsh on Ball and you’ve also got Cameron. Is it because Ball came on a free transfer and played for poor teams in the past that he gets a free ride because he’s not quite as bad as we all thought he would be ? Ball is enthusiastic but has no pace,gives the ball away very cheaply and does not win the ball often enough for the position he’s picked for. To sum up he’s a league one player. Cameron is past it and will be peeling the Oranges at most games. |
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Post by Corbray on Sept 9, 2020 11:11:58 GMT
warbs has done an excellent job in most areas, i'd give him an 8.5/10 overall. he's worked wonders on an extremely limited budget, has us playing lovely entertaining football and is developing the younger players into 1st teamers.
fuck knows how anyone could critisize him really, our defence has been shit yes but we still had a very good season last year.
as i've said before we would be in trouble if the transfer window shut right now but i honestly can't see us not bringing in quality players
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Post by Shania on Sept 9, 2020 11:32:58 GMT
MW is the problem? I just give up on some fans. Highest league position in seasons, limited budget, bringing young players through, selling a player for our highest ever transfer fee. Other than turn water into wine, what do people want? Agreed mate. Warburton's interpretation of the defensive side of the game drives me absolutely bananas, but he is still the best manager we've had since Warnock. Aside from the defensive frailties, he's improved us significantly in every area. He is not training his defence at all. And that is OK you mean? |
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Post by Shania on Sept 9, 2020 11:34:15 GMT
warbs has done an excellent job in most areas, i'd give him an 8.5/10 overall. he's worked wonders on an extremely limited budget, has us playing lovely entertaining football and is developing the younger players into 1st teamers. fuck knows how anyone could critisize him really, our defence has been shit yes but we still had a very good season last year. as i've said before we would be in trouble if the transfer window shut right now but i honestly can't see us not bringing in quality players Wow. Just wow. |
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Post by Tarbie on Sept 9, 2020 11:57:03 GMT
Agreed mate. Warburton's interpretation of the defensive side of the game drives me absolutely bananas, but he is still the best manager we've had since Warnock. Aside from the defensive frailties, he's improved us significantly in every area. He is not training his defence at all. And that is OK you mean? It is what it is Shania. It's frustrating as hell, but that's Warburton's ethos. It's how he was at Rangers and Forest too apparently. To be honest, the attacking side of how we play is that good that if he knew how to keep a clean sheet at the same time, there is no way we'd have the guy as Manager. Warburton is very good in the transfer market too. I think if you actually looked at his performance critically and scored him in each area, the only area you could complain about is the defensive side of the game. In every other area he is exceeding expectations for me. I think we need to get used to his shortcomings because he isn't going to change any time soon, from what I can tell. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2020 11:58:22 GMT
On another website MW states that 14 or 15 were brought in and roughly the same shipped out last year.
Other than Wells or Hugill I can’t think of any that were an out and out success or upgrade than were here ?
The rest of the very long list of loans were disappointing imo.
Even though MW has had a miniscule transfer budget he was given a lot of players on loan.
All of his permanent signings disappointing.
Wallace £12k per week
Ball
Barbet
Kane
Kelly
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