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Post by Tarbie on Sept 9, 2020 15:08:22 GMT
I mean we could start with John Curtis and Gary Borrowdale! 😂 I don’t remember conceding 3 goals nigh on on every game and blatantly see the same player at fault week after week. Both poor players but nowhere near to the level of our current misfits. Our currently leaky defensive is far more to do with how we are set up than any individual player mate. Although I do appreciate if you analyse Manning's performances you could probably attribute about a 3rd of the goals we concede to him making a mistake or being caught out of position. On the whole, probably best we agree to disagree. I appreciate where you are coming from, I just don't agree with a lot of it.
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Post by Timmy Doc on Sept 9, 2020 15:10:14 GMT
As it stands, we are a lot worse than last season.
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Post by Norfolk Ranger on Sept 9, 2020 15:14:39 GMT
We should see what Bob Malcolm is up to nowadays as according to some our Fb's are the worst we have had in years
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2020 15:44:53 GMT
I don’t remember conceding 3 goals nigh on on every game and blatantly see the same player at fault week after week. Both poor players but nowhere near to the level of our current misfits. Our currently leaky defensive is far more to do with how we are set up than any individual player mate. Although I do appreciate if you analyse Manning's performances you could probably attribute about a 3rd of the goals we concede to him making a mistake or being caught out of position. On the whole, probably best we agree to disagree. I appreciate where you are coming from, I just don't agree with a lot of it. We see things very differently Tarbie..I will always speak my mind...whereas you will say that our defensive problems are down to the manager yet you say in the next sentence he’s doing a great job..let’s all hope that come the end of the season that’s still holds true.
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Post by Tarbie on Sept 9, 2020 15:54:28 GMT
I think I've been pretty clear that I don't agree with the manager's ethos when it comes to defensive play Sparx. But I'm not gonna repeat stuff I've said earlier in the thread.
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Post by Shania on Sept 9, 2020 16:07:43 GMT
It seems like the players like Warbuton quite well. Long may that continue.
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Post by Stanley75 on Sept 9, 2020 16:15:03 GMT
if you analyse Manning's performances you could probably attribute about a 3rd of the goals we concede to him making a mistake or being caught out of position. Agreed. And some conceded goals game from Kane's errors at RB last season. Less than Manning though, overall. I'd say that the least amount of shipped goals came from CB errors, so on the whole, Barbet, Hall and Masterson never consistently let us down, other than Barbet giving away a few needless penalties early in the season. Rangel when fit defended better than Kane at RB. So in summary our CBs were not really an issue last season. Goalkeeping and the fullbacks were.
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Post by Bill on Sept 9, 2020 17:21:46 GMT
Think it will be the same story for quite a few years. Bang in trouble sounds about right. Treading water going until we get lucky with good blend of youth and some older heads and REAL LEADER and a team that can defend.
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Post by Shania on Sept 9, 2020 17:44:50 GMT
What I don`t understand is when Manning and Kakay goes forward, why are nobody covering?
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Post by Stanley75 on Sept 9, 2020 17:51:11 GMT
What I don`t understand is when Manning and Kakay goes forward, why are nobody covering? Warby attempts to cover that one in the interview, Shania.
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Post by Ginger Ninja on Sept 9, 2020 19:58:27 GMT
MW states again only one or two more signings and doesn’t expect the squad to be much different from what it is now in his latest interview. Sorry, if that’s true we are f***ed. Materson and Kakay both played regularly last year in a defence that conceded 75 goals that’s was shielded by Amos, Cameron and Ball. These are the same players we still have at our disposal plus Dickie. Is everyone seriously expecting Dickie to single handedly change our fortune and Dykes and Thomas to replace the 50 plus goals Hugil, Eze, Wells and BOS supposed. The two signings we are bringing in must be world beaters if they are going to help keep us up!! Ffs man what the fuck do you want? We CANNOT BRING IN MANY MORE BECAUSE WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO DO SO. We can't splash cash and we shouldn't be bringing in 5 or 6 players just because. 5 or 6 players of the quality you want will cost money that we simply don't have.
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Post by Maidstone_Hoop on Sept 9, 2020 20:27:08 GMT
MW states again only one or two more signings and doesn’t expect the squad to be much different from what it is now in his latest interview. Sorry, if that’s true we are f***ed. Materson and Kakay both played regularly last year in a defence that conceded 75 goals that’s was shielded by Amos, Cameron and Ball. These are the same players we still have at our disposal plus Dickie. Is everyone seriously expecting Dickie to single handedly change our fortune and Dykes and Thomas to replace the 50 plus goals Hugil, Eze, Wells and BOS supposed. The two signings we are bringing in must be world beaters if they are going to help keep us up!! Ffs man what the fuck do you want? We CANNOT BRING IN MANY MORE BECAUSE WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO DO SO. We can't splash cash and we shouldn't be bringing in 5 or 6 players just because. 5 or 6 players of the quality you want will cost money that we simply don't have. I want us to be able to compete Ginger and to progress each season. Right now to me the squad is unbalanced and significantly weaker than last season and as a fan I am worried that we are serious relegation candidates. This is a forum is it not and purely expressing my concerns that I think we are in trouble as things stand and tbh I’m not impressed by the activity right now. There have been some brilliant moves by many Champ clubs over the last few weeks bringing in savy loans, frees and relatively cheap deals. Doesn’t help when your little neighbours down the road are moving to a new stadium, competing at a higher standard both foot along wise and commercially whilst we are treading water. My views seem to have rattled you? It’s only a opinion mate and I’m not as convinced as others on here that the youngsters will step up and right now if we don’t sign 5 or 6 players then I will be angry at the board (not MW).
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Post by Ginger Ninja on Sept 9, 2020 20:34:54 GMT
Ffs man what the fuck do you want? We CANNOT BRING IN MANY MORE BECAUSE WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO DO SO. We can't splash cash and we shouldn't be bringing in 5 or 6 players just because. 5 or 6 players of the quality you want will cost money that we simply don't have. I want us to be able to compete Ginger and to progress each season. Right now to me the squad is unbalanced and significantly weaker than last season and as a fan I am worried that we are serious relegation candidates. This is a forum is it not and purely expressing my concerns that I think we are in trouble as things stand and tbh I’m not impressed by the activity right now. There have been some brilliant moves by many Champ clubs over the last few weeks bringing in savy loans, frees and relatively cheap deals. Doesn’t help when your little neighbours down the road are moving to a new stadium, competing at a higher standard both foot along wise and commercially whilst we are treading water. My views seem to have rattled you? It’s only a opinion mate and I’m not as convinced as others on here that the youngsters will step up and right now if we don’t sign 5 or 6 players then I will be angry at the board (not MW). Your opinion hasn't rattled me, just seeing it repeated in so many threads. Look, we're hamstrung. He even said in the interview the £20m odd we got from Eze isn't available, because its coming in installments (as most transfer fees are now). You cannot expect us to bring in 5 or 6 players when we don't have the money to do so. Or would you prefer we brought in any old 5 or 6 players? You can say 5 or 6 til you're blue in the face but the fact of the matter is players of the quality you want just can't be brought in. And it seems that you would rather we got success now and not progress season by season.
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Sept 9, 2020 20:38:32 GMT
As a former Tory boy,Essex boy, I want it all now. Maggie said I could!
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Post by Maidstone_Hoop on Sept 9, 2020 20:56:08 GMT
I want us to be able to compete Ginger and to progress each season. Right now to me the squad is unbalanced and significantly weaker than last season and as a fan I am worried that we are serious relegation candidates. This is a forum is it not and purely expressing my concerns that I think we are in trouble as things stand and tbh I’m not impressed by the activity right now. There have been some brilliant moves by many Champ clubs over the last few weeks bringing in savy loans, frees and relatively cheap deals. Doesn’t help when your little neighbours down the road are moving to a new stadium, competing at a higher standard both foot along wise and commercially whilst we are treading water. My views seem to have rattled you? It’s only a opinion mate and I’m not as convinced as others on here that the youngsters will step up and right now if we don’t sign 5 or 6 players then I will be angry at the board (not MW). Your opinion hasn't rattled me, just seeing it repeated in so many threads. Look, we're hamstrung. He even said in the interview the £20m odd we got from Eze isn't available, because its coming in installments (as most transfer fees are now). You cannot expect us to bring in 5 or 6 players when we don't have the money to do so. Or would you prefer we brought in any old 5 or 6 players? You can say 5 or 6 til you're blue in the face but the fact of the matter is players of the quality you want just can't be brought in. And it seems that you would rather we got success now and not progress season by season. Ginge, that’s the thing. My expectations are low and I success to me right now is staying in the championship or finishing mid table. I don’t want to see us making the same mistakes as years gone by and I actually like the way the club has been heading under MW and the massive turnaround in financial control over the last few years. Last year we worked the loan market fantastically well and brought in to quality strikers at this level in Hugil and Wells and were lucky enough to compliment that with a raw talent like Eze that comes along once in a few years. That combination kept us up fairly comfortably. However, this season we are now considerably weaker without them and yes your right it’s CLEAR we are not going to bring in 5/6 players and I’m my eyes it’s the first season we are going backwards because in the last two three years I’ve actually been confident we had enough to stay up. I also didn’t think it was unreasonable to expect the club to replace The likes of Hall, Leinster, Eze, Wells, Rangel, Hugil and probably BOS with some half decent players. Jamal Lowe went to Swansea for 800k, Morgan Gibbs White to Swansea on a free, Martin to Bristol on a free, Bettnelli to Boro on a free. There’s some great players available for great prices who would walk into our current team and we don’t seem to be competing for any of them.
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Post by Stanley75 on Sept 9, 2020 21:03:03 GMT
This is a forum is it not and purely expressing my concerns It certainly is, so you've every right to express them. Personally I think the topic is worthy of debate at least, and I find the discussion an interesting one so far - albeit quite a "sensationalist" thread title (as CCJ calls it), but that's cool 😎
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Post by Norfolk Ranger on Sept 9, 2020 21:15:25 GMT
We are,and many other clubs are having to cut their cloth accordingly, especially through this pandemic. I've said it before,but do think we always think all these other teams are stronger than ours,but not really knowing the ins and outs of the club's finances etc. Look at Birmingham,their form since coming back from lockdown was abysmal,they've sold Bellingham for £26 million and in total 14 players have left the club,and they have only bought in 8 players for total of £1.1 mil,in my eyes we are in a lot better place than they are and probably a good few other clubs too.
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Post by 1qprdk on Sept 9, 2020 21:35:39 GMT
Jamal Lowe went to Swansea for 800k, Morgan Gibbs White to Swansea on a free, Martin to Bristol on a free, Bettnelli to Boro on a free. There’s some great players available for great prices who would walk into our current team and we don’t seem to be competing for any of them. Maybe we couldn´t match the wage demands?
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Post by acricketer on Sept 9, 2020 22:49:29 GMT
On another website MW states that 14 or 15 were brought in and roughly the same shipped out last year. Other than Wells or Hugill I can’t think of any that were an out and out success or upgrade than were here ? The rest of the very long list of loans were disappointing imo. Even though MW has had a miniscule transfer budget he was given a lot of players on loan. All of his permanent signings disappointing. Wallace £12k per weekBall Barbet Kane Kelly The man's a thief.
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Post by croydoncaptainjack on Sept 9, 2020 23:13:32 GMT
Surely it is too early to say we have gone backwards this season when the season hasn't even started though?
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Post by 1qprdk on Sept 10, 2020 1:00:33 GMT
Surely it is too early to say we have gone backwards this season when the season hasn't even started though? No, it is already too late, I fear. We are doomed!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2020 5:28:06 GMT
On another website MW states that 14 or 15 were brought in and roughly the same shipped out last year. Other than Wells or Hugill I can’t think of any that were an out and out success or upgrade than were here ? The rest of the very long list of loans were disappointing imo. Even though MW has had a miniscule transfer budget he was given a lot of players on loan. All of his permanent signings disappointing. Wallace £12k per weekBall Barbet Kane Kelly The man's a thief. Despite paying Wallace £500k a year wages for a handful of games last season is this an upgrade on Bidwell ? It really wasn’t too difficult to predict when looking at his previous injury record north of the border or maybe MW thinks Manning is the better option ? Either way a shocking waste of funds that could have been spent wisely elsewhere.
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Post by Corbray on Sept 10, 2020 6:02:23 GMT
Despite paying Wallace £500k a year wages for a handful of games last season is this an upgrade on Bidwell ? It really wasn’t too difficult to predict when looking at his previous injury record north of the border or maybe MW thinks Manning is the better option ? Either way a shocking waste of funds that could have been spent wisely elsewhere. i honestly cant see him being on 12k a week, thats just mental money for a past his prime player who'd only played 2 games in 2 years. i imagine he's on around 5k-8k as the only other offers he had were likely from other scottish clubs and theres no way they'd break the bank for him
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Post by Stanley75 on Sept 10, 2020 8:04:12 GMT
He's on 10k a week according to footballleaguefc.com
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2020 8:10:14 GMT
Even if Wallace is on a much reduced salary it was very poor judgement to bring him here full stop.
According to MW recent interview getting 7 out of 10 transfers right is a sign of a good manager.
Where are these good signings by our manager ?
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Post by Corbray on Sept 10, 2020 8:22:13 GMT
Even if Wallace is on a much reduced salary it was very poor judgement to bring him here full stop. According to MW recent interview getting 7 out of 10 transfers right is a sign of a good manager. Where are these good signings by our manager ? i think ball has been a solid signing, barbet has been decent and even good at times. amos has potential and kelly was an obvious choice for only 50k. wells and hugill were both good for us, mlakar and smith not so much. i don't think the transfers have been bad at all really as they've all been very low risk signings and except for smith and mlakar all played a role last season
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Post by Stanley75 on Sept 10, 2020 8:30:51 GMT
Wallace has been a decent signing for us IMO. He's over his injury issues now and whenever he's played he has rarely had a bad game. He is also a much better LB than Manning! And it's certainly not his fault the manager doesn't play him and instead chooses to pick an inferior player there, in his infinite wisdom!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2020 9:12:41 GMT
Can someone wake me up in 10 years time (if I’m not dead ) and tell me that our club has rediscovered what the word ambition means please ?
Even the most ardent fans on here have come to expect mediocrity and it is probably exactly what our inept rich owners want to hear. from the fan base.
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Post by 1973ranger on Sept 10, 2020 9:46:02 GMT
We are weaker and worse still have 2 toerags upsetting the harmony of the squad in Manning and BOS. Get rid of them and use whatever we get to replace as plenty of free's available and players at low fees.
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Post by Tarbie on Sept 10, 2020 9:53:01 GMT
Can someone wake me up in 10 years time (if I’m not dead ) and tell me that our club has rediscovered what the word ambition means please ? Even the most ardent fans on here have come to expect mediocrity and it is probably exactly what our inept rich owners want to hear. from the fan base. Define mediocrity? If your definition of mediocrity is accepting we are about the 30th best club in the country and expecting us to finish about there in the Football League, then yes, I am quite happy to accept mediocrity.
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