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Post by The General on Apr 23, 2022 18:49:57 GMT
We have a great team on paper
Unfortunately the game is played on grass 😂
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Apr 23, 2022 18:55:25 GMT
Players are also to blame Wot a match to not turn up too I would be waiting for them in the dressing Room with a baseball bat Warbs deserves some blame for sure - eg selecting Dyches. But the players are well paid and they are in an important game. They need to take at least as much responsibility. |
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Post by James1979 on Apr 23, 2022 18:58:46 GMT
Players are also to blame Wot a match to not turn up too I would be waiting for them in the dressing Room with a baseball bat Warbs deserves some blame for sure - eg selecting Dyches. But the players are well paid and they are in an important game. They need to take at least as much responsibility. I think with Warbs, my issue is that he seems clueless about how to stop the slide. He comes out with same stuff and just looks like he doesn’t know what to do. Also, I think it pretty disgraceful how the team can be so poor in such a big game. Yes the players are partly to blame but it speaks volumes for the manager too. |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Apr 23, 2022 19:00:18 GMT
Think too a man a bunch of spineless cants.
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Apr 23, 2022 19:03:06 GMT
Think too a man a bunch of spineless cants. Not many fighters in there for sure - eg Dozell just doesn't look up for fight, he looks like a young Tom Carroll, lots of five yard passes but just brushed off the ball like a drunk in a storm |
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Post by Stanley75 on Apr 23, 2022 19:06:13 GMT
Warbs deserves some blame for sure - eg selecting Dyches. But the players are well paid and they are in an important game. They need to take at least as much responsibility. True enough Rod. But who is responsible for motivating the players? Who's job is that? Man management too? Inspiring them and instilling confidence into them. This is a massive part of management. Easy to overlook but it can't be downplayed. The good managers have this quality in spades. |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Apr 23, 2022 19:09:20 GMT
If the players cant get up for
A. A relatively well paid job that most would kill to do.
B. Try and get in the supposed best league in the world and pit themselves agaonst the best.
Nothing or no one will and they should look for another pastime.
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Post by Stanley75 on Apr 23, 2022 19:12:37 GMT
If the players cant get up for A. A relatively well paid job that most would kill to do. B. Try and get in the supposed best league in the world and pit themselves agaonst the best. Nothing or no one will and they should look for another pastime. Missing the point mate. No one is arguing that players should not be self-motivated. Point being made is this is a huge part of being a good manager too. That extra few % of man-management coming from him can be the difference between the winners and the also-rans. The best managers throughout history have proved that. |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Apr 23, 2022 19:15:50 GMT
Do u need anyone to motivate you? I dont,i have pride in myself todo the best job i can.
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Post by Stanley75 on Apr 23, 2022 19:19:23 GMT
Do u need anyone to motivate you? I dont,i have pride in myself todo the best job i can. It's not a valid comparison IMO Leighs. A successful football team is much more of a TEAM game. The successful teams have inspiring and charismatic managers/leaders. It's essential in fact. Otherwise they are rudderless. This is especially important for the younger players. |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Apr 23, 2022 19:22:50 GMT
But essentially its words,actions speak louder and only individuals doing their actions to the best of their abilities boosts a team. Few individuals cuddling or bollocking not going to change much unless you a weak fragile soul..
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Post by Stanley75 on Apr 23, 2022 19:27:08 GMT
Essentially it's not just words though. That would be underestimating their value and impact. Words delivered in a certain way and order, coming from an inspired charismatic manager can be the crucial difference. Again, history proves this.
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Post by Stanley75 on Apr 23, 2022 19:39:52 GMT
Listen to interviews with a lot of players. They often say they wanted to win for their manager, to please him or to not let him down because he had their utmost respect. Mike Tyson and Cus d'amato was a prime example of this in sport. And the more sensitive souls you refer to do need an arm round them at times instead of a rollocking. The mentally tough players who take pride in their job may need less motivating, but not all players are like that and often the most talented are the ones that need more man-management to coax the best out of them. The best managers are psychologists too.
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Post by 2Loftus on Apr 23, 2022 19:39:54 GMT
Disappointing, sure. But we have the players and staff our budget allows.
We’re not ready for the Prem, but hopefully we will build on this season, strengthen (and rebalance a poor January window) and perhaps make a more concerted and consistent push for the playoffs next season.
Nice to pissed off about not finishing top 6 rather than dabbling with relegation.
I’m perfectlyOK with life in the Championship, the most competitive and entertaining league in the world!
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Post by Corbray on Apr 23, 2022 21:07:36 GMT
Do u need anyone to motivate you? I dont,i have pride in myself todo the best job i can. our jobs aren't competitive sports though. i'm a gardener so i don't have to worry about hedges trying to score a 25 yard screamer against me |
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Post by acricketer on Apr 23, 2022 21:11:54 GMT
Whoever comes in will be have to bring a bag of glitter.
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Apr 23, 2022 21:12:29 GMT
Do u need anyone to motivate you? I dont,i have pride in myself todo the best job i can. our jobs aren't competitive sports though. i'm a gardener so i don't have to worry about hedges trying to score a 25 yard screamer against me End of day u still have to perform or you out of work,so its pressure. |
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Post by jfrabbit on Apr 23, 2022 22:28:06 GMT
As I said before they’ll let him finish the season and then wave him off.
It’s a shame because he done a lot of good things for us but fuck me he has royally fucked up this promotion push.
Tinkered the wrong players and positions. Dropped the wrong players. Stuck with under performing players. Terrible in game management. Always late to react when changes are required.
I’ve always been on his side but he’s shown himself to be way too stubborn and out of touch.
On your bike Warbs.
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Post by Shania on Apr 24, 2022 18:25:43 GMT
The final straw for me was yesterday when he started with Dykes instead of Gray. Generally, it`s also quite boring when he time after time stated that he doesn`t deserve the sack, because etc etc. It`s quite frankly childish imo.
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Post by Tarbie on Apr 24, 2022 18:56:30 GMT
Do u need anyone to motivate you? I dont,i have pride in myself todo the best job i can. our jobs aren't competitive sports though. i'm a gardener so i don't have to worry about hedges trying to score a 25 yard screamer against me Uphill Gardener? 🤣😉 |
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Post by hal9thou on Apr 25, 2022 9:27:37 GMT
My understanding is that his contractual options are based on the number of points we have at the end of the season.
I think everyone realised it was necessary to loose on Saturday in order to facilitate getting shot of him.
That is the only explanation for such a half arsed, shot away performance.
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Post by sparks on Apr 25, 2022 9:32:45 GMT
Lose both remaining games and finish in 13th and there’s no progression from MW first season.
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Post by alanwycombe on Apr 26, 2022 6:12:20 GMT
He can bang on about ‘taking care of the football’ but one big failing we have had since Warnock days is lack of game management. Along with Stoke, as it stands now, we have lost more games than anyone else in the top 16. If just three or four of those had been draws we’d still be in it. Substitutions that just amount to changing the shirt but not the game don’t help.
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Post by Bill on Apr 26, 2022 7:09:25 GMT
Do u need anyone to motivate you? I dont,i have pride in myself todo the best job i can. I agree,although sometimes you get stabbed in the back. |
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Post by Bill on Apr 26, 2022 7:11:12 GMT
He can bang on about ‘taking care of the football’ but one big failing we have had since Warnock days is lack of game management. Along with Stoke, as it stands now, we have lost more games than anyone else in the top 16. If just three or four of those had been draws we’d still be in it. Substitutions that just amount to changing the shirt but not the game don’t help. Well placed and we fucked it up. |
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Post by Corbray on Apr 26, 2022 9:46:53 GMT
He can bang on about ‘taking care of the football’ but one big failing we have had since Warnock days is lack of game management. Along with Stoke, as it stands now, we have lost more games than anyone else in the top 16. If just three or four of those had been draws we’d still be in it. Substitutions that just amount to changing the shirt but not the game don’t help. we had some good game management at times like barnsley at home where we made some subs in the 30th minute but it felt like we were chasing our tails most of the time. what matters most to me is performances and quite simply our performances since january have been dire bar one or two games. if we'd been on our run and just been unlucky to lose the games we have then i'd still be firmly in the warbs in camp but we play like a team at the foor of the table and with nothing to hope for. yes we've had injuries but aside from willock i don't think any of them have been a massive blow. |
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Post by sparks on Apr 26, 2022 10:12:59 GMT
Don’t you think MW got his initial team selection wrong for the Barnsley game Corbray.
He brought in Georgehino to play as RWB and Dozzell to play alongside Johansen in CM.
At that time BGB was out injured which meant we had no holding player.
His changes were the correct call as you say bringing on Albert at RWB and Ball as holding.
Although Ball is limited imo I do think he’s been underused especially if we were to have parked the Bus in a few games during our poor run.
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Post by Corbray on Apr 26, 2022 11:39:58 GMT
Don’t you think MW got his initial team selection wrong for the Barnsley game Corbray. He brought in Georgehino to play as RWB and Dozzell to play alongside Johansen in CM. At that time BGB was out injured which meant we had no holding player. His changes were the correct call as you say bringing on Albert at RWB and Ball as holding. Although Ball is limited imo I do think he’s been underused especially if we were to have parked the Bus in a few games during our poor run. i fully agree but was merely pointing that out as the only time i can recall off the top of my head were he showed good game management. theres undoubtedly been more but most of the time we've gotten into a pickle due to his selection choices in the first place. agree on ball too and i've always had a bit of a soft spot for him due to the effort he brings to the side. would still pick field ahead of him everytime but ball is a good squad player to have imo. |
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Post by spongeparr on Apr 26, 2022 15:49:45 GMT
Funny really, at the start of the season we would battle until the end and picked up the most points from losing positions. And we scored in 31 or so games in a row.
Went downhill when that record went.
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