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Post by West Acton on Jul 14, 2024 11:21:42 GMT
I think we saw the best of him.
He will have good games at Cardiff, as he’s a decent player, but we know his hamstrings are made of cotton wool so I don’t expect he will fly the way he did for us over two seasons.
I had genuine hopes he could be a premier league player, this move I think tells us where he/ his body and reputation in the game is at and he will serve his career out in championship.
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Jul 14, 2024 13:01:31 GMT
Was fed up initially about him going but on reflection he’s no great loss. We had to do without him a lot, he didn’t make the most of his opportunities off the bench or once selected again and is clearly not the player he was. If that is because he was cheating us he can fuck off - if it’s because he’s knackered well sorry, but we had enough dead wood. Don’t usually pay much attention to ex-players but might watch this one. I think I read he had something like 1 goal in his last 24 games for us, and that was at home to Rotherham. We suffered a Willock loss last season when his form dropped dramatically. But we have survived for at least a year with virtually nothing coming from Willock. So hardly a loss at all. |
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Post by EGRanger on Jul 14, 2024 17:40:20 GMT
It’s a shame to see him leave without a transfer fee - hopefully the removal of his salary frees up a new signing
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Post by Timmy Doc on Jul 14, 2024 18:53:17 GMT
Was fed up initially about him going but on reflection he’s no great loss. We had to do without him a lot, he didn’t make the most of his opportunities off the bench or once selected again and is clearly not the player he was. If that is because he was cheating us he can fuck off - if it’s because he’s knackered well sorry, but we had enough dead wood. Don’t usually pay much attention to ex-players but might watch this one. I think I read he had something like 1 goal in his last 24 games for us, and that was at home to Rotherham. We suffered a Willock loss last season when his form dropped dramatically. But we have survived for at least a year with virtually nothing coming from Willock. So hardly a loss at all. Well, I watched every game and think he changed quite a many when coming on. |
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Post by shepherdsmush on Jul 15, 2024 15:30:10 GMT
I reckon he'll start off really well then just give up.
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Post by West Acton on Aug 18, 2024 14:41:56 GMT
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Post by croydoncaptainjack on Aug 19, 2024 8:45:04 GMT
I watched the highlights of that game and Cardiff were well on top to start with. Burnley were two nil up having only had one chance!
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Post by Ginger Ninja on Aug 19, 2024 13:38:48 GMT
Burnley are a different level this season, reckon they'll get over 100pts. Willock won't be shit all season.
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Post by croydoncaptainjack on Aug 19, 2024 13:54:24 GMT
I think Burnley will go up but it is way to early to call them different level mate.
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Sept 1, 2024 10:02:23 GMT
Think Willock’s hammy’s are shot. Dunne responsible for more QPR goals back end of last season than Willock. Cardiff fans apparently already complaining he doesn’t seem to care, which sounds familiar. Can only assume fans who wanted to keep him here were sentimental for the old Willock. Much more excited to have Dembele
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Post by 2Loftus on Sept 1, 2024 11:11:21 GMT
Think Willock’s hammy’s are shot. Dunne responsible for more QPR goals back end of last season than Willock. Cardiff fans apparently already complaining he doesn’t seem to care, which sounds familiar. Can only assume fans who wanted to keep him here were sentimental for the old Willock. Much more excited to have Dembele Guilty. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2024 13:51:47 GMT
Apparently Willock was one of only 3 Cardiff players who had a near decent game at the weekend but was still hooked after 60 odd minutes - maybe to protect his hammy's but the whole Cardiff team and especially their manager are getting hammered on their message boards so he was ok in a mess of a team. Calls for the manager to be sacked already and hoping Dyche will become available ! Araf as they say.
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Sept 26, 2024 10:31:57 GMT
Manager sacked, bottom of league, no goals, getting subbed. No idea what the Cardiff fans make of him but wonder if ever on a wet Wednesday in Wales he has ever questioned his move down there? Or if the money is enough to motivate him? Either way I don't think we have missed him especially on last season's form.
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Post by hal9thou on Sept 26, 2024 13:22:41 GMT
Manager sacked, bottom of league, no goals, getting subbed. No idea what the Cardiff fans make of him but wonder if ever on a wet Wednesday in Wales he has ever questioned his move down there? Or if the money is enough to motivate him? Either way I don't think we have missed him especially on last season's form. I honestly don't think you can judge him based on Cardiff, which remains in meltdown mode ie where its been since before he got there. The thing about a fit Willock is that he - unlike Dembele, unlike Andersen and unlike everyone else in the squad - is a natural 10. He has not been replaced, and that has undeniably proved to be a problem. If his legs are really gone, then fair enough, deal done. But if he was genuinely fit? You'd seriously have got rid? Hypothetical I know, but may be an interesting question.
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Post by surreychad on Sept 26, 2024 13:58:14 GMT
We had no choice on his decsion, he simply wanted too much money and was prepared to take the highest offer, His agent (Dad) made it clear that if you want him you must pay and there was no loyalty. I would have loved him to stay as he was a good player, and I think Marti really liked him too.
The club always comes first and CEO makes that very clear to all those asking for more money than they are worth.
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Post by alanwycombe on Sept 26, 2024 14:36:57 GMT
I would have wanted him to stay but play like you’re worth it - and he didn’t……or maybe couldn’t.
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Post by West Acton on Sept 26, 2024 14:44:18 GMT
If he’s having nightmare still come Christmas reckon you could try and get him back on cheap via loan or purchase as both would probably want go separate ways.
But you want the pre injury/end of last season Willock not the shadow in between.
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Sept 26, 2024 14:47:52 GMT
Us him done, u should rarely go back unless exceptional, and he not that.
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Post by shepherdsmush on Sept 27, 2024 13:44:56 GMT
League 1 next year
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Post by Stanley75 on Oct 20, 2024 15:43:12 GMT
great assist and decent goal by Willock yesterday. Always worried about us going into this season without a 10 (ie 2 footed, can go past / find space) for love or money. Never replaced him (and Hayden) in the summer. Said so at the time. Big mistake which we're paying the price for this season. And, as you say, he's two-footed. Something Chair will never be, which is why he's not a 10. Even with Willock only operating at half-mast last season, he was still capable of things no other player in the squad was. In addition to your examples, there were games last season where the oppo targeted him with three players tightly around him but he still had the skill to evade them and pass to a player in a hooped shirt. No other player in our squad is capable of that. |
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Post by James1979 on Oct 20, 2024 15:45:03 GMT
great assist and decent goal by Willock yesterday. Always worried about us going into this season without a 10 (ie 2 footed, can go past / find space) for love or money. Never replaced him (and Hayden) in the summer. Said so at the time. Big mistake which we're paying the price for this season. And, as you say, he's two-footed. Something Chair will never be, which is why he's not a 10. Even with Willock only operating at half-mast last season, he was still capable of things no other player in the squad was. In addition to your examples, there were games last season where the oppo targeted him with three players tightly around him but he still had the skill to evade them and pass to a player in a hooped shirt. No other player in our squad is capable of that. Does seem like we tried to keep him though. Not sure we can blame club for him leaving |
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Post by West Acton on Oct 20, 2024 15:45:39 GMT
great assist and decent goal by Willock yesterday. Always worried about us going into this season without a 10 (ie 2 footed, can go past / find space) for love or money. Never replaced him (and Hayden) in the summer. Said so at the time. Big mistake which we're paying the price for this season. And, as you say, he's two-footed. Something Chair will never be, which is why he's not a 10. Even with Willock only operating at half-mast last season, he was still capable of things no other player in the squad was. In addition to your examples, there were games last season where the oppo targeted him with three players tightly around him but he still had the skill to evade them and pass to a player in a hooped shirt. No other player in our squad is capable of that. and he done what no one currently seems willing or capable of doing he would put crosses into the box. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Oct 20, 2024 15:47:42 GMT
Never replaced him (and Hayden) in the summer. Said so at the time. Big mistake which we're paying the price for this season. And, as you say, he's two-footed. Something Chair will never be, which is why he's not a 10. Even with Willock only operating at half-mast last season, he was still capable of things no other player in the squad was. In addition to your examples, there were games last season where the oppo targeted him with three players tightly around him but he still had the skill to evade them and pass to a player in a hooped shirt. No other player in our squad is capable of that. Does seem like we tried to keep him though. Not sure we can blame club for him leaving Not blaming the club for that James. They're responsible for not replacing him though. |
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Post by James1979 on Oct 20, 2024 15:55:33 GMT
But they’ve tried to do that with Dembele and Saito.
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Post by Stanley75 on Oct 20, 2024 16:08:59 GMT
But they’ve tried to do that with Dembele and Saito. And failed. Who is responsible for that? Were the summer signings entirely data driven, or were they scouted in person too? When Willock joined us he was at a higher level than Dembele and Saito are now. Can they be developed and progress to that level under Marti? As things stand, like was not replaced for like, we certainly know that. |
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Post by James1979 on Oct 20, 2024 16:13:48 GMT
But they’ve tried to do that with Dembele and Saito. And failed. Who is responsible for that? Were the summer signings entirely data driven, or were they scouted in person too? When Willock joined us he was at a higher level than Dembele and Saito are now. Can they be developed and progress to that level under Marti? As things stand, like was not replaced for like, we certainly know that. I don’t really have an issue with Saito and Dembele. Yes they could be better. The problem signings are Madsen and Ashby. We should have got Hayden and signed an actual decent right back and probably would have spent less! |
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Post by Stanley75 on Oct 20, 2024 16:17:41 GMT
And failed. Who is responsible for that? Were the summer signings entirely data driven, or were they scouted in person too? When Willock joined us he was at a higher level than Dembele and Saito are now. Can they be developed and progress to that level under Marti? As things stand, like was not replaced for like, we certainly know that. I don’t really have an issue with Saito and Dembele. Yes they could be better. The problem signings are Madsen and Ashby. We should have got Hayden and signed an actual decent right back and probably would have spent less! I don't really have an issue with them either James, but they can't unlock defences like Willock can, nor do they have his skills set. ITR he hasn't been replaced. I agree our main problems lie in central midfield though. That is really where we're losing games. |
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Post by James1979 on Oct 20, 2024 16:21:37 GMT
I don’t really have an issue with Saito and Dembele. Yes they could be better. The problem signings are Madsen and Ashby. We should have got Hayden and signed an actual decent right back and probably would have spent less! I don't really have an issue with them either James, but they can't unlock defences like Willock can nor have his skills set. ITR he hasn't been replaced. I agree our main problems like in central midfield though. That is really where we are losing games. But isn’t that because we’re losing the midfield battle and not playing positively in the right areas. Signing a tall midfielder who doesn’t like to head or tackle for the championship has to go down as one of the strangest signings of all time. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Oct 20, 2024 16:25:49 GMT
I don't really have an issue with them either James, but they can't unlock defences like Willock can nor have his skills set. ITR he hasn't been replaced. I agree our main problems like in central midfield though. That is really where we are losing games. But isn’t that because we’re losing the midfield battle and not playing positively in the right areas. Signing a tall midfielder who doesn’t like to head or tackle for the championship has to go down as one of the strangest signings of all time. Sorry, I made a typo. Should have said 'lie' not 'like' so perhaps my post above wasn't clear. (Now edited.) But fundamentally we're in agreement. |
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Post by Shania on Oct 20, 2024 16:36:25 GMT
Dembele and Saito cuts inside too often because there really aren't anyone in the box except for a man marked Frey.
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