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Post by rscot on Dec 5, 2020 12:09:43 GMT
This is why I’m not such a fan of 4-2-3-1 and prefer a 4-3-3. With the 4-2-3-1 when the full backs are pushed high up the opposition end of the pitch it only really leaves 4 QPR players to defend counter attacks (outfield players, not including the keeper), with a 4-3-3 and the full-backs pushed on you still have 5 players attacking and 5 defending. I think it’s a better balanced system all round.
Been telling him this for years but he wont listen. It's more tactically flexible, helps an average squad get on the front foot.
BUT - not such a great system with slow ball and that's warburtons trade mark.
Football changed when France won the WC with less possession but Warbs still dreams of tiki taka......
I also think that 4-2-3-1 isn’t very flexible when it comes to fitting players into the system. You obviously have your back 4, a sitting/defensive midfielder, a deep siting passer/playmaker, 3 attacking midfielders and a centre forward. With other systems you can change the types of players within the system to suit the opposition, style of play you are executing on the day. For example a formation with 3 midfielders, whether 4-3-3 or 5-3-2 etc, you can have say 2 defensive midfielders and a playmaker, perhaps if you are setting up as a counter-attacking side. You could have 1 defensive midfielder, 1 playmaker and a box-box ball carrying midfielder, if you are trying to be more possession based and more offensive. 4-2-3-1 is a very rigid system in terms of the type of player from your squad that can be incorporated into it. |
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Post by alanwycombe on Dec 5, 2020 12:29:49 GMT
Yes, better players than we can afford? if that is the answer, I agree with you I think it is, then surely we got stop kicking managers and players as you can only get a tune out of what you have to play with. If there substandard why we expecting Stella outcomes Not question directly to you Al just something I’m pondering. We need reasonable expectations I'm not, but it is frustrating when you see us so good at times showing we CAN do it. Maybe that is the difference between half decent and top quality? Like I posted elsewhere about thinking all the mentality stuff the foreigners go on about is bollocks - starting to think it isn't. |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Dec 5, 2020 13:08:53 GMT
Rock n hard place init.
Football a entertainment for punters,but its primarily a business and results driven. Not many can provide both to keep all happy. So do you play sexy attractive and entertain,or clinical,stifling to get result.
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Post by rscot on Dec 5, 2020 13:19:48 GMT
Rock n hard place init. Football a entertainment for punters,but its primarily a business and results driven. Not many can provide both to keep all happy. So do you play sexy attractive and entertain,or clinical,stifling to get result. Ideally the team should be able to do both within the 90 minutes, it should be flexible to play attractive, attacking, entertaining football and have the ability to stifle opposition teams when required and when it suit QPR to do so. Right now I’d stay with how the team are playing and see if a few of the chances created get scored and a few of the defensive individual errors are remedied. If the team keep losing and moving down the table, I’d be looking at changing things to stop the leaking of goals. |
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Post by Shania on Dec 5, 2020 13:23:32 GMT
God knows where we might have been without the injures on George Thomas and Amos. Another issue is the fact that I thought Albert Adomah was a better player than the one we have seen so far. Based on this, It could be that I should have given Warburton a little more time and leeway before judging him too hard. I don`t know..
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Post by rscot on Dec 5, 2020 13:47:25 GMT
God knows where we might have been without the injures on George Thomas and Amos. Another issue is the fact that I thought Albert Adomah was a better player than the one we have seen so far. Based on this, It could be that I should have given Warburton a little more time and leeway before judging him too hard. I don`t know.. A few good results will take a lot of pressure off the team and manager, but certain underlying problems remain, lack of experience, squad depth. Hopefully management have realised this and will try to address these problems in January and end of season transfer windows. |
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Post by Greg1882 on Dec 5, 2020 13:58:43 GMT
God knows where we might have been without the injures on George Thomas and Amos. Another issue is the fact that I thought Albert Adomah was a better player than the one we have seen so far. Based on this, It could be that I should have given Warburton a little more time and leeway before judging him too hard. I don`t know.. Been really disappointed with adomah so far. Doesn’t tend to influence games when he comes on. Need to see a bit more from him especially considering he supports the club. You would expect 100% at all times |
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Post by hal9thou on Dec 5, 2020 14:03:07 GMT
God knows where we might have been without the injures on George Thomas and Amos. Another issue is the fact that I thought Albert Adomah was a better player than the one we have seen so far. Based on this, It could be that I should have given Warburton a little more time and leeway before judging him too hard. I don`t know.. Every side has injury problems right now.
No excuses.
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Post by Timmy Doc on Dec 5, 2020 14:03:26 GMT
Good lineup.
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Post by Stanley75 on Dec 5, 2020 14:08:49 GMT
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Post by hal9thou on Dec 5, 2020 14:09:07 GMT
Been telling him this for years but he wont listen. It's more tactically flexible, helps an average squad get on the front foot.
BUT - not such a great system with slow ball and that's warburtons trade mark.
Football changed when France won the WC with less possession but Warbs still dreams of tiki taka......
I also think that 4-2-3-1 isn’t very flexible you can say that again. If he cant speed up the play a bit and do the obvious (4-3-3 ) I'd sooner he played 4-4-2 diamond than 4-2-3-1.
The big problem with us going forward is slow slow ball, when you combine that with one up top you aint going anywhere. This issue goes back to JFH days.
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Post by hal9thou on Dec 5, 2020 14:11:13 GMT
Barbet Cameron and TC in the same side?
Good luck with that.
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Post by West Acton on Dec 5, 2020 14:16:00 GMT
Apparently only won this season with Cameron in team
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Post by Stanley75 on Dec 5, 2020 14:18:03 GMT
Apparently only won this season with Cameron in team Nice stat. MAGA Geoff is a winner 😎 |
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Post by alanwycombe on Dec 5, 2020 14:18:42 GMT
I wish he'd try something different. Can even predict the subs and possibly when. Bonne for Dykes 80,Willock off 65, Ball for Cameron, and BOS once he looks really pissed off with life.
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Post by rscot on Dec 5, 2020 14:25:23 GMT
Let’s hope they can stick a couple of chances away and take the 3 points. A win will be good for the confidence of the players
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Post by hal9thou on Dec 5, 2020 14:28:22 GMT
Apparently only won this season with Cameron in team Nice stat. MAGA Geoff is a winner 😎
Think we've lost plenty of times with him in as well but whoever pulls on the shirt I hope they perform.
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Post by Bill on Dec 5, 2020 14:36:01 GMT
So fast start create chances and take them this time out please.
Than bit of game management and no bollocks in the 2nd half equals 3 points
One can only dream !!!
But history tells me it will be the same old story,I hope not.
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Post by Timmy Doc on Dec 5, 2020 14:43:37 GMT
Barbet Cameron and TC in the same side?
Good luck with that.
It is what it is. Not much better options. |
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Post by Shania on Dec 5, 2020 14:57:49 GMT
God knows where we might have been without the injures on George Thomas and Amos. Another issue is the fact that I thought Albert Adomah was a better player than the one we have seen so far. Based on this, It could be that I should have given Warburton a little more time and leeway before judging him too hard. I don`t know.. Every side has injury problems right now.
No excuses.
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Post by West Acton on Dec 5, 2020 14:59:08 GMT
Ball can’t moan being dropped has a run of games and been pretty poor
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Post by Shania on Dec 5, 2020 15:02:17 GMT
God knows where we might have been without the injures on George Thomas and Amos. Another issue is the fact that I thought Albert Adomah was a better player than the one we have seen so far. Based on this, It could be that I should have given Warburton a little more time and leeway before judging him too hard. I don`t know.. A few good results will take a lot of pressure off the team and manager, but certain underlying problems remain, lack of experience, squad depth. Hopefully management have realised this and will try to address these problems in January and end of season transfer windows. I agree with you. And let`s hope Warburton still is the manager in January. |
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Post by alanwycombe on Dec 5, 2020 15:05:45 GMT
FFS... I thought us fans were supposed to be the spectators?
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Post by Shania on Dec 5, 2020 15:06:02 GMT
Jezzzesssssssssssssss 1-0.
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Post by Timmy Doc on Dec 5, 2020 15:06:30 GMT
Don't worry, possession is still ours.
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Post by Stanley75 on Dec 5, 2020 15:06:46 GMT
Look at all that space he was given. It was like the parting of the Red Sea!!
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Post by West Acton on Dec 5, 2020 15:07:10 GMT
Like said Bristol city when we’re running at our goal defending there is no plan just bodies running back at our goal. What the fuck are Kane and dickies playing at there want to win or block the ball
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Post by Ginger Ninja on Dec 5, 2020 15:07:15 GMT
What in the sweet blue fuck was Kane doing there? Fucking imbecile. Good finish but he was just allowed to get in there. Seny no chance.
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Post by Greg1882 on Dec 5, 2020 15:07:25 GMT
Fucking close him down ffs. What is wrong with our lot 🤬🤬🤬🤬
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Post by Stanley75 on Dec 5, 2020 15:07:58 GMT
Almost two there.
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. I stand corrected I suppose!!
