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Post by acricketer on Dec 5, 2020 23:59:01 GMT
Not good enough today. Change is needed now. This is no longer a team in transition, this is a team in a downward spiral with no excuses.
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Post by rscot on Dec 6, 2020 17:09:32 GMT
Look at the first 20 seconds of the highlights if it doesn’t cause your eyes to bleed to much
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Post by rscot on Dec 6, 2020 17:11:23 GMT
This is why I’m not such a fan of 4-2-3-1 and prefer a 4-3-3. With the 4-2-3-1 when the full backs are pushed high up the opposition end of the pitch it only really leaves 4 QPR players to defend counter attacks (outfield players, not including the keeper), with a 4-3-3 and the full-backs pushed on you still have 5 players attacking and 5 defending. I think it’s a better balanced system all round. If I can see it, I’m pretty sure opposition managers can too
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Post by rscot on Dec 6, 2020 17:15:13 GMT
It doesn’t show you the 5-10 seconds before when, I think it’s Willock holds onto the ball for too long allowing himself to be closed down and eventually dispossessed when he had ample opportunity to link up with Dykes or other team mates
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Post by rscot on Dec 6, 2020 17:25:37 GMT
2nd goal, QPR have initiated a high press, the ball goes back to the Huddersfield keeper who pops the ball over the press into midfield. Kane pushes up to put pressure on the Huddersfield left-sided midfielder, who simply heads it inside to a teammate who then plays a ball through to the left-sided attacking midfielder who runs into the box plays a short pass resulting in a goal, Kane pushes up because there is a big gap in the midfield 2 of QPR and there’s no one nearby to challenge the left-sided midfielder from Huddersfield from receiving the pass, kick out from the keeper, and then he doesn’t have the pace to recover. BOS doesn’t put much of an effort in either to try and get back. I think it’s Carroll who just lets his man and the eventual scorer, stroll away from him. rfantasyisland.boards.net/thread/1686/game-managementThe front 4 are pressing to high up the pitch and leaving too much space behind them in the midfield or the defence isn’t pushing high enough onto the opposition because they don’t want exposed because of lack of pace
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Post by Greg1882 on Dec 6, 2020 17:48:12 GMT
Look at the first 20 seconds of the highlights if it doesn’t cause your eyes to bleed to much Watched the game yesterday but just watched that back again. I’d actually be dragging a few players in over that. Todd Kane’s “efforts” as well as brights aimless jog back are frankly a fucking disgrace
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Post by rscot on Dec 6, 2020 17:53:16 GMT
Look at the first 20 seconds of the highlights if it doesn’t cause your eyes to bleed to much Watched the game yesterday but just watched that back again. I’d actually be dragging a few players in over that. Todd Kane’s “efforts” as well as brights aimless jog back are frankly a fucking disgrace You’ve got to press as a team or don’t press, otherwise you get gaps appearing in the structure of the formation. Do you think the back line were afraid to push up into the opposition midfield during the press because of lack of pace?
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Post by Greg1882 on Dec 6, 2020 18:07:49 GMT
Watched the game yesterday but just watched that back again. I’d actually be dragging a few players in over that. Todd Kane’s “efforts” as well as brights aimless jog back are frankly a fucking disgrace You’ve got to press as a team or don’t press, otherwise you get gaps appearing in the structure of the formation. Do you think the back line were afraid to push up into the opposition midfield during the press because of lack of pace? Possibly but just track Kane. Gets back but just stands in position making absolutely no attempt to win the ball or throw himself in front of the attacking player. That really is park football standard. Fraud of a right back
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Post by alanwycombe on Dec 6, 2020 18:13:18 GMT
Kakay every time, don't care if he makes the odd mistake. Kane has always been an empty shirt for me.
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Post by Greg1882 on Dec 6, 2020 18:14:54 GMT
Kakay every time, don't care if he makes the odd mistake. Kane has always been an empty shirt for me. Agree 100%. I don’t want to see Kane in a qpr shirt again. If ever someone needed the hairdryer treatment it’s him
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Post by rscot on Dec 6, 2020 18:19:46 GMT
You’ve got to press as a team or don’t press, otherwise you get gaps appearing in the structure of the formation. Do you think the back line were afraid to push up into the opposition midfield during the press because of lack of pace? Possibly but just track Kane. Gets back but just stands in position making absolutely no attempt to win the ball or throw himself in front of the attacking player. That really is park football standard. Fraud of a right back If QPR were pressing as a team, Kane would’ve been challenging the left-sided midfielder for the header. The Huddersfield player wouldn’t have had the free header. So I was wondering why the back line is so deep when the frontline is pressing so high
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Post by Greg1882 on Dec 6, 2020 18:25:38 GMT
Possibly but just track Kane. Gets back but just stands in position making absolutely no attempt to win the ball or throw himself in front of the attacking player. That really is park football standard. Fraud of a right back If QPR were pressing as a team, Kane would’ve been challenging the left-sided midfielder for the header. The Huddersfield player wouldn’t have had the free header. So I was wondering why the back line is so deep when the frontline is pressing so high Agree they are all over the place but my main gripe isn’t us losing the ball it’s his total lack of any attempt whatsoever to try and win the ball after getting himself in position, it’s totally unacceptable
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Post by rscot on Dec 6, 2020 18:31:05 GMT
Look at Carroll too (I think it’s him), he tracks his opposite midfielder then leaves him to receive the head pass, under no pressure in acres of space. If Carroll had stayed with him, again he’s putting in a challenge, slowing down the attack to let QPR players fall back, even a cheeky little pro foul stops the attack all together
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Post by West Acton on Dec 6, 2020 18:41:42 GMT
You’ve got to press as a team or don’t press, otherwise you get gaps appearing in the structure of the formation. Do you think the back line were afraid to push up into the opposition midfield during the press because of lack of pace? Possibly but just track Kane. Gets back but just stands in position making absolutely no attempt to win the ball or throw himself in front of the attacking player. That really is park football standard. Fraud of a right back manning done this whole of last and plenty of our fans said he was besr lwb in league Kane was shit and always has been for us. Think he had couple recent decent games aside from that he’s poop
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Post by Stanley75 on Dec 6, 2020 18:52:19 GMT
The general consensus has been Kane is more effective as a RW than a RB. (Kakay better defensively).
We said the same about Manning but on the left.
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Post by rscot on Dec 6, 2020 18:54:21 GMT
The mix-up, misunderstanding between Kane and Dickie for the first goal is pretty poor too. You’d probably put most of the blame on Kane there too. On the subject of lack of pace. For years and years one of Scotland’s biggest problems (international team), was we didn’t have any Centre Half’s with decent pace. And it effected so much about the teams performance. We couldn’t move up and down the pitch as a unit (attacking and defending), it made the team really nervous when out of possession. We altered our shape to compensate, usually playing a 4-5-1, flooding the midfield to try and offer the Centre Half’s protection. We ended up sitting deep in our own half the majority of games, playing hopeless long balls to a lone centre forward who was usually surrounded by 3 or 4 opposition defenders / midfielders. All because our centre halves had no pace and it resulted in the team not trusting itself to be able to defend
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Post by Shania on Dec 6, 2020 19:07:17 GMT
For me Dickie`s lack of pace is a worry, That`s why I feel we have to get in a new CB with pace, to play alongside him. Masterson is lacking a bit of routine, but he is very talented in my opinion.
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Post by rscot on Dec 6, 2020 19:13:01 GMT
For me Dickie`s lack of pace is a worry, That`s why I feel we have to get in a new CB with pace, to play alongside him. Masterson is lacking a bit of routine, but he is very talented in my opinion. Do you think Barbet has enough pace at this level?
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Post by West Acton on Dec 6, 2020 19:25:12 GMT
For me Dickie`s lack of pace is a worry, That`s why I feel we have to get in a new CB with pace, to play alongside him. Masterson is lacking a bit of routine, but he is very talented in my opinion. Do you think Barbet has enough pace at this level? barber is bang average. Was excited when he came but he’s a poor mans mustsfi. Sublime and classy one game then three or four games of gash
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Post by Shania on Dec 6, 2020 19:27:25 GMT
For me Dickie`s lack of pace is a worry, That`s why I feel we have to get in a new CB with pace, to play alongside him. Masterson is lacking a bit of routine, but he is very talented in my opinion. Do you think Barbet has enough pace at this level? Not really, but pace wasn`t Brede Hangeland`s force either and he had a great career. That`s why I think Dickie will come good eventually. One out two in heart of the defence has to have pace imo. Masterson is pacey, but Warburton doesnt trust him which has affected his appearences I think.
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Post by rscot on Dec 6, 2020 19:32:41 GMT
Do you think Barbet has enough pace at this level? Not really, but pace wasn`t Brede Hangeland`s force either and he had a great career. That`s why I think Dickie will come good eventually. One out two in heart of the defence has to have pace imo. Masterson is pacey, but Warburton doesnt trust him which has affected his appearences I think. Yeah Dickie looks like he cares and does try his best, gives 100%. Isn’t Masterton also a right-sided centre half?
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Post by Shania on Dec 6, 2020 19:42:16 GMT
Not really, but pace wasn`t Brede Hangeland`s force either and he had a great career. That`s why I think Dickie will come good eventually. One out two in heart of the defence has to have pace imo. Masterson is pacey, but Warburton doesnt trust him which has affected his appearences I think. Yeah Dickie looks like he cares and does try his best, gives 100%. Isn’t Masterton also a right-sided centre half? Yes he is, but Warburton wants him to go out and get a full season under his belt and mature a bit more. It guess he is right, but in the meantime we have to bring in a loan player or signing with pace imo.
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Post by rscot on Dec 6, 2020 19:43:14 GMT
Yeah Dickie looks like he cares and does try his best, gives 100%. Isn’t Masterton also a right-sided centre half? Yes he is, but Warburton wants him to go out and get a full season under his belt and mature a bit more. It guess he is right, but in the meantime we have to bring in a loan player or signing with pace imo. As well as a couple of full backs
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Post by Shania on Dec 6, 2020 19:45:46 GMT
Yes he is, but Warburton wants him to go out and get a full season under his belt and mature a bit more. It guess he is right, but in the meantime we have to bring in a loan player or signing with pace imo. As well as a couple of full backs Yes, and a midfielder.
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Post by rscot on Dec 6, 2020 19:48:20 GMT
As well as a couple of full backs Yes, and a midfielder. I’d prioritise the back line, get in a Centre halve with pace, experience, good in the air, decent on the ground, and a left and a right fullback in the window in January
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Post by Shania on Dec 6, 2020 19:53:23 GMT
I’d prioritise the back line, get in a Centre halve with pace, experience, good in the air, decent on the ground, and a left and a right fullback in the window in January That could be true.
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Post by rscot on Dec 6, 2020 19:56:09 GMT
I’d prioritise the back line, get in a Centre halve with pace, experience, good in the air, decent on the ground, and a left and a right fullback in the window in January That could be true. QPR need to stop giving away goals so easily. If you’re hard to score against, you always give yourself a chance to win a game
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2020 23:00:22 GMT
All of MW signings last season have been extremely poor...I would only say that Dom Ball has been reasonable business on a free , the rest have been utter rubbish and a waste of a money and squad space. Some might say MW had no money but why would you bring players in like Kane ,Kelly and Wallace when they are clearly worse than what’s already here..incoming signings must be seen to be an improvement on current players.
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Post by acricketer on Dec 6, 2020 23:47:53 GMT
All of MW signings last season have been extremely poor...I would only say that Dom Ball has been reasonable business on a free , the rest have been utter rubbish and a waste of a money and squad space. Some might say MW had no money but why would you bring players in like Kane ,Kelly and Wallace when they are clearly worse than what’s already here..incoming signings must be seen to be an improvement on current players. I'd add Dykes to your list. CW Mark II
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Post by alanwycombe on Dec 7, 2020 8:20:35 GMT
QPR need to stop giving away goals so easily. If you’re hard to score against, you always give yourself a chance to win a game Correct, and the exact opposite of MW philosophy which is why he has to go. Score more than they do never works. Ask Keegan when at Newcastle.
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