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Post by 1973ranger on Dec 27, 2020 3:50:27 GMT
Why are you all still laying into Fernandes? 🙂 He's no longer a majority shareholder. Gnanalingam is with 51%. Fernandes and Meranun have 46% and Mittal has 3%, with his son-in-law as Chairman. Because he is responsible for the position we have ended up in and who is now in charge makes no difference at all. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Dec 27, 2020 7:30:12 GMT
Why are you all still laying into Fernandes? 🙂 He's no longer a majority shareholder. Gnanalingam is with 51%. Fernandes and Meranun have 46% and Mittal has 3%, with his son-in-law as Chairman. Because he is responsible for the position we have ended up in and who is now in charge makes no difference at all. Gnanalingam and Bin Meranun were just as responsible as Fernandes, but Gnanalingam is now the sole majority stakeholder. I agree with the ire towards TF but he now has much less power to affect change, so why not direct energies towards the one who can? They were equal partners from the moment they arrived, before stepping down as co-chairmen in 2018. Further, Gnanalingam then replaced Bhatia as vice-chair and remains as chairman of the trust. |
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Post by West Acton on Dec 27, 2020 8:08:00 GMT
Thought Amit was the one responsible for running club too with Hoos and has been for over a year. His hands are just as dirty
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Post by Stanley75 on Dec 27, 2020 8:16:11 GMT
Thought Amit was the one responsible for running club too As I say, he's Chairman in name only but in effect has just a mere 3% controlling interest. He's powerless to affect meaningful change iow, and was yet another puppet PR appointment. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2020 8:27:46 GMT
The DOF is the only truly really culpable person here at this juncture.
Money was made available from Eze transfer and from previous years prudence.
The owners maybe stupid in terms of how to run this club but the buck ultimately stops at LF door.
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Post by Stanley75 on Dec 27, 2020 8:35:13 GMT
The DOF is the only truly really culpable person here at this juncture. Money was made available from Eze transfer and from previous years prudence. The owners maybe stupid in terms of how to run this club but the buck ultimately stops at LF door. I agree Sparx except to add that "the buck ultimately stops at" the board: a) For appointing LF in the first place, and b) For leaving him in situ for all these years after all these failed managers. |
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Post by 1973ranger on Dec 27, 2020 9:26:50 GMT
The DOF is the only truly really culpable person here at this juncture. Money was made available from Eze transfer and from previous years prudence. The owners maybe stupid in terms of how to run this club but the buck ultimately stops at LF door. I agree Sparx except to add that "the buck ultimately stops at" the board: a) For appointing LF in the first place, and b) For leaving him in situ for all these years after all these failed managers. Who was chairman when Ferdinand was brought in? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2020 9:32:57 GMT
So where do we go from here Stanley ? The owners won’t be leaving.
It must be a given that LF and MW and his coaches need to go ASAP for us to have any chance to avoid the drop..
I personally don’t see any candidates out there that would come to us right now that would be suitable.
I could only see a player looking to get into management that would consider us right now.
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Post by 1973ranger on Dec 27, 2020 9:43:16 GMT
So where do we go from here Stanley ? The owners won’t be leaving. It must be a given that LF and MW and his coaches need to go ASAP for us to have any chance to avoid the drop.. I personally don’t see any candidates out there that would come to us right now that would be suitable. I could only see a player looking to get into management that would consider us right now. This club has had no plan on the footballing side for 6 or 7 years so we will just drift aimlessly like we have done for the past 4 years |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2020 9:50:30 GMT
So where do we go from here Stanley ? The owners won’t be leaving. It must be a given that LF and MW and his coaches need to go ASAP for us to have any chance to avoid the drop.. I personally don’t see any candidates out there that would come to us right now that would be suitable. I could only see a player looking to get into management that would consider us right now. This club has had no plan on the footballing side for 6 or 7 years so we will just drift aimlessly like we have done for the past 4 years It may well be the case 73...It’s still possible that both Ferdinand and Warburton will be given the green light to carry on regardless |
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Post by James1979 on Dec 27, 2020 10:27:55 GMT
Tony’s made plenty of mistakes but he appointed a DoF to take over football side. And we’ve been made to accept Les’ poor performance due to the “behind the scenes” work that we never see. Not only have the choice in managers been poor but we let our best young players contracts run down and then in mad rushed reaction gave a 4 year deal to a decidedly average left back.....who I don’t think would get in many league 1 sides. But maybe that’s our level these days.
What Les and Hoos have been brilliant at is lowering our expectations. We are now delighted with a mid table finish. They’ve made losing become “ok”.
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Post by Timmy Doc on Dec 27, 2020 10:31:57 GMT
Fans are typically over-reacting. 80 % of all fans are in the same situation as we are: Disappointed how the club is run.
Remember last season when some Liverpool fans wanted to get rid of Klopp when they were 1-0 down and Klopp made some "stupid" substitutions.
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Post by James1979 on Dec 27, 2020 10:37:14 GMT
Fans are typically over-reacting. 80 % of all fans are in the same situation as we are: Disappointed how the club is run. Remember last season when some Liverpool fans wanted to get rid of Klopp when they were 1-0 down and Klopp made some "stupid" substitutions. Our expectations have been lowered so 19th is acceptable to some. The talk of overspending is history now. That has no impact on us today. We can’t keep banging on about Redknapp and Hughes and Fernandes. Got to look at people making the decisions now. |
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Post by Shania on Dec 27, 2020 10:42:29 GMT
Sir Les should communicate with the supporters. He is far too political imo.
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Post by James1979 on Dec 27, 2020 10:48:56 GMT
Sir Les should communicate with the supporters. He is far too political imo. I don’t know about being political. I think he thinks that as a player that has played at the top level, he knows more than we do. This is a pretty common theme that gets said by many ex players who are either in management or pundits. |
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Post by Shania on Dec 27, 2020 10:58:23 GMT
Sir Les should communicate with the supporters. He is far too political imo. I don’t know about being political. I think he thinks that as a player that has played at the top level, he knows more than we do. This is a pretty common theme that gets said by many ex players who are either in management or pundits.I agree he now sees himself as a ex. player with a voice that matter, but I would have liked him to be a bit more transparent as far as the sporting side of thing is concerned. |
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Post by James1979 on Dec 27, 2020 11:01:50 GMT
I don’t know about being political. I think he thinks that as a player that has played at the top level, he knows more than we do. This is a pretty common theme that gets said by many ex players who are either in management or pundits.I agree he now sees himself as a ex. player with a voice that matter, but I would have liked him to be a bit more transparent as far as the sporting side of thing is concerned. It’s arrogance Shania. Lots of ex-players have it. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Dec 27, 2020 11:15:29 GMT
So where do we go from here Stanley ? As the sole majority shareholder, that's up to Ruben Gnanalingam of "Total Soccer Growth". If he had any sense, he'd start by getting rid of the present DoF. He should then decide if a club of our size even needs one and use the £600k per annum on players instead of a wasted salary. He should then get rid of MW and bring in a more competent manager, but this time by doing full due diligence on him first, (like plenty of other clubs our size seem perfectly capable of doing). How's that for starters. |
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Post by Hitman34 on Dec 27, 2020 11:15:54 GMT
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this idiot could not build a wall of lego, nevermind a football team.
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Post by James1979 on Dec 27, 2020 11:23:17 GMT
So where do we go from here Stanley ? As the sole majority shareholder, that's up to Ruben Gnanalingam of "Total Soccer Growth". If he had any sense, he'd start by getting rid of the present DoF. He should then decide if a club of our size even needs one and use the £600k per annum on players instead of a wasted salary. He should then get rid of MW and bring in a more competent manager, but this time by doing full due diligence on him first, (like plenty of other clubs our size seem perfectly capable of doing). How's that for starters. Does depend on length of contract. Hopefully for less than a year left....otherwise, too expensive to get rid of. |
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Post by hal9thou on Dec 27, 2020 11:23:17 GMT
So where do we go from here Stanley ? As the sole majority shareholder, that's up to Ruben Gnanalingam of "Total Soccer Growth". If he had any sense, he'd start by getting rid of the present DoF. He should then decide if a club of our size even needs one and instead use the 600k per annum on players instead of a wasted salary. He should then get rid of MW and bring in a more competent manager, but this time by doing full due diligence on him first, like plenty of other clubs our size seem perfectly capable of doing. How's that for starters.
Of course that's what should be happening but it wont.
Tony's tweet after a handful of games just shows the depth of his lack of insight. Rube & Tone's understanding of football is second hand, rudimentary and delusional. Until they see sense along the lines you mentioned we will continue to struggle.
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Post by Rangers77 on Dec 27, 2020 11:25:08 GMT
The board are AWOL. And have been for some time. None of them devote any time to the club. In the case of TF zero. Which is welcome. All the board does is set the financial parameters. And, to be honest, in Ruben, bail the club out by putting in £1m a month. I assume Hoos ensures that the parameters are adhered to. The work of the board is actually done by Les and Hoos. Hoos runs operations and Les the strategic thinking. It's the strategic thinking that's the problem.....
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Post by hal9thou on Dec 27, 2020 11:27:58 GMT
As the sole majority shareholder, that's up to Ruben Gnanalingam of "Total Soccer Growth". If he had any sense, he'd start by getting rid of the present DoF. He should then decide if a club of our size even needs one and use the £600k per annum on players instead of a wasted salary. He should then get rid of MW and bring in a more competent manager, but this time by doing full due diligence on him first, (like plenty of other clubs our size seem perfectly capable of doing). How's that for starters. Does depend on length of contract. Hopefully for less than a year left....otherwise, too expensive to get rid of.relegation from this division is a mighty expensive option as well. Stick or twist?
Come on. It's not about football for these guys. It's about the real estate. Irony is they may have missed the boat on that one (for the forseeable).....
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Post by hal9thou on Dec 27, 2020 11:30:54 GMT
. The work of the board is actually done by Les and Hoos. Hoos runs operations and Les the strategic thinking. It's the strategic thinking that's the problem.....
Like I said years ago, wouldn't have him running the local filling station.
And as I also said years ago, Hoos is just the mouthpiece. That's all he is. Does what he's told.
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Post by Stanley75 on Dec 27, 2020 11:33:34 GMT
The board are AWOL. And have been for some time. None of them devote any time to the club. In the case of TF zero. Which is welcome. All the board does is set the financial parameters. And, to be honest, in Ruben, bail the club out by putting in £1m a month. I assume Hoos ensures that the parameters are adhered to. The work of the board is actually done by Les and Hoos. Hoos runs operations and Les the strategic thinking. It's the strategic thinking that's the problem.....Isn't it just!? 🤣 |
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Post by Rangers77 on Dec 27, 2020 11:36:02 GMT
. The work of the board is actually done by Les and Hoos. Hoos runs operations and Les the strategic thinking. It's the strategic thinking that's the problem.....
Like I said years ago, wouldn't have him running the local filling station.
And as I also said years ago, Hoos is just the mouthpiece. That's all he is. Does what he's told.
I think Hoos is the only professional at the club. As fucked as we are, we'd be completely fucked without him. Operations is the only part of the club to run smoothly. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2020 11:53:04 GMT
So where do we go from here Stanley ? As the sole majority shareholder, that's up to Ruben Gnanalingam of "Total Soccer Growth". If he had any sense, he'd start by getting rid of the present DoF. He should then decide if a club of our size even needs one and use the £600k per annum on players instead of a wasted salary. He should then get rid of MW and bring in a more competent manager, but this time by doing full due diligence on him first, (like plenty of other clubs our size seem perfectly capable of doing). How's that for starters. I’m not expecting all the answers I want to hear Stanley as we are all just fans but do we have time to carry out full diligence on a new man ? This must be the dilemma that our owners face and why nothing has happened..easy for me to say but we need a quick fix to tide us over this season Manager wise. |
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Post by hal9thou on Dec 27, 2020 11:55:22 GMT
Like I said years ago, wouldn't have him running the local filling station.
And as I also said years ago, Hoos is just the mouthpiece. That's all he is. Does what he's told.
I think Hoos is the only professional at the club. As fucked as we are, we'd be completely fucked without him. Operations is the only part of the club to run smoothly. Yes he's a professional and he is competent. But he has mouthpiece form.
Leicester fans remember Milan Mandaric and Lee Hoos, and don't think it's 100% coincidence that their massive improvement coincided with their successive departures.
Back here his handling of the Lower Loft situation has been really short sighted. He's a yes man, he'd be supporting Les when we hit the Isthmian. For just as long as he's told too.
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Post by alanwycombe on Dec 27, 2020 12:07:00 GMT
I've been saying since we appointed one that a club like ours doesn't need a DOF just a proper manager. Nothing happens here under a DOF that is supposed to in the theory of it anyway - we change managers, back up team, players and playing style so it's just a waste of money and, I expect, a source of friction behind the scenes. It only works if you have the money or are astute enough to keep the pot boiling when it starts going wrong. If we keep MW for the sake of the theory we'll get relegated.
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Post by Shania on Dec 27, 2020 12:40:54 GMT
I agree he now sees himself as a ex. player with a voice that matter, but I would have liked him to be a bit more transparent as far as the sporting side of thing is concerned. It’s arrogance Shania. Lots of ex-players have it. Could be. But Warburton is even worse. And It`s a problem we`ve had at QPR for a long time,imo . Ollie was good at it, but failed on the pitch. Neil Warnock was probably the last one who really connected well with the supporters. |
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