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Post by rscot on Jan 23, 2021 19:13:13 GMT
pretty poor performance. we weren't dreadful but we were certainly uninspired, toothless and devoid of ideas. defensively i think we're getting better and for the most part we defend well. there are glaring issues all over the park though. kane can't cross, niko is below par, willock isn't a CM, ball looks nervous and passes sideways or backwards too much, chair has awful delivery and poor vision and dykes is too easy for defenders. warbs is a frustrating manager because he's tactically devoid of ideas in a match. nothing worked out for us from start to finish and derby likely enjoyed a good training session today for their defence and midfield as thats the standard we set. 352 has worked but for christ sakes change things up a bit around the 60th minute mark at the latest. its not hard to see. 2 steps forward, 1 step back, and today was a step back. It highlights the lack of depth in the squad, especially in central midfield. And to be fair that’s 2 stonewall penalties in 2 games not given. In all honesty though, I think an experienced attacking midfield centre needs to be brought into the club during the summer, someone who will have the same influence Charlie has had on the strikers. |
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Post by rscot on Jan 23, 2021 19:17:08 GMT
I think most QPR supporters would like to see another left full back, wing back at the club, someone who will take Niko’s place and force him to compete and up his game if he wants on the pitch, hopefully that will happen in the summer and Wallace can go then too, But the problem for me was the midfielder holding onto the ball too long and being dispossessed. I’m not saying his solely to blame for the goal. Goals are very rarely one players fault. I’m just saying that as a young defender, the very least I expect is busting a gut to get back to stop an attack. If you don’t have that drive, it’s very worrying I think some competition from an experienced pacy full-back / wing back would do him the world of good. Same for Chair and Willock, they need a good experienced attacking midfielder to gauge themselves against |
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Post by Bill on Jan 23, 2021 19:20:53 GMT
I wonder how safe Warburton`s job is now. Safe as houses,until it's to late. 23 points needed |
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Post by rscot on Jan 23, 2021 19:28:37 GMT
I wonder how safe Warburton`s job is now. Safe as houses,until it's to late. 23 points needed With a decent central midfielder, QPR will be safe. Today was the poorest performance from the team in 4 or 5 games and you still deserved a point. And That’s with no one other than a defensive midfielder in the middle of the park. The team has been unlucky with injuries to both Carroll and Amos, fullbacks / wingbacks need strengthened but I think that can wait until the summer. |
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Post by Bill on Jan 23, 2021 19:32:35 GMT
He definitely has no idea, but then I do blame him for everything apparently. you do. Have become one of the most negative rangers fans I know Realistic not negative |
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Post by Bill on Jan 23, 2021 19:34:31 GMT
Safe as houses,until it's to late. 23 points needed With a decent central midfielder, QPR will be safe. Today was the poorest performance from the team in 4 or 5 games and you still deserved a point. And That’s with no one other than a defensive midfielder in the middle of the park. The team has been unlucky with injuries to both Carroll and Amos, fullbacks / wingbacks need strengthened but I think that can wait until the summer. You are always going to get injuries |
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Post by rscot on Jan 23, 2021 19:40:34 GMT
With a decent central midfielder, QPR will be safe. Today was the poorest performance from the team in 4 or 5 games and you still deserved a point. And That’s with no one other than a defensive midfielder in the middle of the park. The team has been unlucky with injuries to both Carroll and Amos, fullbacks / wingbacks need strengthened but I think that can wait until the summer. You are always going to get injuries Of course, but a season long injury to Amos followed by a 3 month knee injury to Carroll is a bit unlucky |
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Post by Bill on Jan 23, 2021 19:44:09 GMT
Go with a small squad sooner or later it catches up with you.
Add to this Suspensions over the course of a season,you are skating on thin ice.
Add a poor manager and we are in the shit
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Post by rscot on Jan 23, 2021 19:49:57 GMT
Go with a small squad sooner or later it catches up with you. Add to this Suspensions over the course of a season,you are skating on thin ice. Add a poor manager and we are in the shit I totally agree, there’s some players in the squad that need let go and other areas that need strengthened in both quality and quantity. The team needs a central midfielder before the window closes. I was also wondering why there is still no sign of Jordy on the bench today, how long does he need to get fit? |
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Post by Shania on Jan 23, 2021 21:28:42 GMT
But why let Adomah sit on the bench? He can cross and we desperatly need good crosses. Adomah can play more centrally also. Again the same question: Why not use the full squad?
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Post by rscot on Jan 23, 2021 21:42:14 GMT
But why let Adomah sit on the bench? He can cross and we desperatly need good crosses. Adomah can play more centrally also. Again the same question: Why not use the full squad? It’s a central midfielder that’s really needed. Today was the poorest performance in a while, the biggest problem is the void left by Tom Carroll. With him missing and no suitable replacement you’ve had Willock and Chair alternatively dropping into the midfield to fill the gap and they both aren’t as good as Carroll at that job. In saying that the team have won against Cardiff and I feel deserved a point today so a not the end of the world, but surely the manager and board must realise they need someone in before the window shuts. |
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Post by Shania on Jan 23, 2021 21:46:00 GMT
But why let Adomah sit on the bench? He can cross and we desperatly need good crosses. Adomah can play more centrally also. Again the same question: Why not use the full squad? It’s a central midfielder that’s really needed. Today was the poorest performance in a while, the biggest problem is the void left by Tom Carroll. With him missing and no suitable replacement you’ve had Willock and Chair alternatively dropping into the midfield to fill the gap and they both aren’t as good as Carroll at that job. In saying that the team have won against Cardiff and I feel deserved a point today so a not the end of the world, but surely the manager and board must realise they need someone in before the window shuts. Stefan Johansen has been linked. Maybe he is the answer.. I don`t know really. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2021 21:57:07 GMT
It’s a central midfielder that’s really needed. Today was the poorest performance in a while, the biggest problem is the void left by Tom Carroll. With him missing and no suitable replacement you’ve had Willock and Chair alternatively dropping into the midfield to fill the gap and they both aren’t as good as Carroll at that job. In saying that the team have won against Cardiff and I feel deserved a point today so a not the end of the world, but surely the manager and board must realise they need someone in before the window shuts. Stefan Johansen has been linked. Maybe he is the answer.. I don`t know really. Have you not seen Johansen playing for Norway Shania ? From the limited videos I have seen he looks a combative M/F player not so much creative ? |
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Post by rscot on Jan 23, 2021 21:58:03 GMT
It’s a central midfielder that’s really needed. Today was the poorest performance in a while, the biggest problem is the void left by Tom Carroll. With him missing and no suitable replacement you’ve had Willock and Chair alternatively dropping into the midfield to fill the gap and they both aren’t as good as Carroll at that job. In saying that the team have won against Cardiff and I feel deserved a point today so a not the end of the world, but surely the manager and board must realise they need someone in before the window shuts. Stefan Johansen has been linked. Maybe he is the answer.. I don`t know really. I’ve not seen Stefan Johansen play, but the team needs a mobile centre midfielder with a good range of passing before this window closes and I’m sure the team will start to move up the table again |
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Post by rscot on Jan 23, 2021 22:06:33 GMT
Stefan Johansen has been linked. Maybe he is the answer.. I don`t know really. Have you not seen Johansen playing for Norway Shania ? From the limited videos I have seen he looks a combative M/F player not so much creative ? It’s not so much a “creative midfielder” that’s needed, Chair or Willock fills that position, what’s needed is a midfielder who through his possession and passing controls the tempo of the team/game, that’s what Carroll was doing for the team, it’s not really “creative”, you want Chair to be doing that, for the most part. Carroll was the metronome, the heartbeat who set the tempo for the rest of the team |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2021 22:08:07 GMT
Stefan Johansen has been linked. Maybe he is the answer.. I don`t know really. I’ve not seen Stefan Johansen play, but the team needs a mobile centre midfielder with a good range of passing before this window closes and I’m sure the team will start to move up the table again We desperately need both combative and creative. |
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Post by rscot on Jan 23, 2021 22:17:02 GMT
I’ve not seen Stefan Johansen play, but the team needs a mobile centre midfielder with a good range of passing before this window closes and I’m sure the team will start to move up the table again We desperately need both combative and creative. I think Ball would do until the summer, but a replacement for Carroll is vital |
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Post by Corbray on Jan 23, 2021 22:17:14 GMT
stefan johansen is quality. seen him play many a time as my dad is a fulham fan.
great passer of the ball, bit like tom carrol but better and more forward thinking.
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Post by rscot on Jan 23, 2021 22:22:07 GMT
stefan johansen is quality. seen him play many a time as my dad is a fulham fan. great passer of the ball, bit like tom carrol but better and more forward thinking. Sounds good, it’s what has been missing the last couple of games, especially today. |
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Post by alanwycombe on Jan 23, 2021 22:33:56 GMT
Hard to argue but also glad he hasn't gone backwards to 451 Worked well that Alan didn't it mate Hindsight Gen. I was glad he was starting with something that has looked like improvement - and why not? - but, like many others have pointed out, he lacks the ability to change it when we've been worked out. Chasing the game we didn't need three centre halves for example. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2021 22:37:46 GMT
Worked well that Alan didn't it mate Hindsight Gen. I was glad he was starting with something that has looked like improvement - and why not? - but, like many others have pointed out, he lacks the ability to change it when we've been worked out. Chasing the game we didn't need three centre halves for example. Would have thought our captain would have realised this and stepped into M/F though Alan..that’s what captains do |
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Post by James1979 on Jan 23, 2021 22:44:45 GMT
stefan johansen is quality. seen him play many a time as my dad is a fulham fan. great passer of the ball, bit like tom carrol but better and more forward thinking. Agree with that. Not sure we should be turning our nose up at him given the midfielders we have. One thing that has become more apparent is that we do have some pretty poor players and I’m not sure another manager will do better. Austin makes a big difference. Dickie and Dieng are our genuine quality players. With BOS that would be good enough to stay up. With Amos and Carroll and BOS maybe mid table. We need some quality in central midfield and we need a left back. |
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Post by alanwycombe on Jan 23, 2021 22:44:48 GMT
We desperately need both combative and creative. I think Ball would do until the summer, but a replacement for Carroll is vital Ball has been poor for a while now and makes you realise how much we miss Amos, who was marmite on here. I rate him and hope he can get over another serious injury. |
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Post by alanwycombe on Jan 23, 2021 22:46:38 GMT
Hindsight Gen. I was glad he was starting with something that has looked like improvement - and why not? - but, like many others have pointed out, he lacks the ability to change it when we've been worked out. Chasing the game we didn't need three centre halves for example. Would have thought our captain would have realised this and stepped into M/F though Alan..that’s what captains do Has been said many times we don't have a leader on the pitch but even if we did I'm not sure changing the manager's formation is part of the job. |
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Post by James1979 on Jan 23, 2021 22:50:19 GMT
I think Ball would do until the summer, but a replacement for Carroll is vital Ball has been poor for a while now and makes you realise how much we miss Amos, who was marmite on here. I rate him and hope he can get over another serious injury. But they are very different players mate. If we’re playing 3 in the midfielder you need at least 1 Ball type player, maybe 2. He is not an Amos or Carroll in way he plays. He’s limited as is Kane. But one thing I cannot fault them for is their effort on the pitch and most importantly (because effort should be a given), they try to influence the game in a positive way. |
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Post by rscot on Jan 23, 2021 22:50:57 GMT
I think Ball would do until the summer, but a replacement for Carroll is vital Ball has been poor for a while now and makes you realise how much we miss Amos, who was marmite on here. I rate him and hope he can get over another serious injury. I think Ball will do until the summer, filling Carroll’s position is more important this window. I’d still keep Ball in the squad even if Amos replaces him in the team, he is decent cover for injuries/suspensions |
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Post by James1979 on Jan 23, 2021 22:53:20 GMT
Hindsight Gen. I was glad he was starting with something that has looked like improvement - and why not? - but, like many others have pointed out, he lacks the ability to change it when we've been worked out. Chasing the game we didn't need three centre halves for example. Would have thought our captain would have realised this and stepped into M/F though Alan..that’s what captains do You can chase the game with 3 centre halves if you’re wing backs are half decent. So you effectively play 352. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2021 22:53:48 GMT
stefan johansen is quality. seen him play many a time as my dad is a fulham fan. great passer of the ball, bit like tom carrol but better and more forward thinking. It’s good to hear a different view on Johansen Corbray..on other forums he’s been described as legs have gone and a clogger. Back problems too |
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Post by James1979 on Jan 23, 2021 22:57:11 GMT
stefan johansen is quality. seen him play many a time as my dad is a fulham fan. great passer of the ball, bit like tom carrol but better and more forward thinking. It’s good to hear a different view on Johansen Corbray..on other forums he’s been described as legs have gone and a clogger. Back problems too It’s desperate times. We are not going to win many games with no ball playing midfielders. I remember in season we went up from league 1, we started well but then limitations of Palmer in central mid became apparent. It took Holloway far too long but eventually Johnson played and we looked much better and rest is history. |
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Post by alanwycombe on Jan 23, 2021 23:01:36 GMT
Would have thought our captain would have realised this and stepped into M/F though Alan..that’s what captains do You can chase the game with 3 centre halves if you’re wing backs are half decent. So you effectively play 352. Yes, but they're not James, that's why it's his job to think it through not just carry on regardless until he can make the same old excuses in the post match interview. |
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