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Post by sparks on Jun 7, 2022 18:32:11 GMT
I honestly think anyone not capable of putting in a proper shift is going to be surplus to requirements. Has Stefan still got it in him? This is a new reality checkpoint for pretty much everyone at the club. |
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Post by Rangers77 on Jun 7, 2022 19:50:35 GMT
The only box Stefan could have got into last season was a wooden one.....
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Post by Tarbie on Jun 7, 2022 19:56:28 GMT
The only box Stefan could have got into last season was a wooden one..... Huge disappointment, wasn't he? I do feel a bit sorry for him though. Amos was the only other number 8 up to the job, and he was coming back from a bad injury. Stefan has his place in a better balanced squad. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Jun 7, 2022 20:02:39 GMT
Think some are forgetting that SJ was being played while carrying an injury towards the end of last season (due to small squad and no better CM options). You have to make allowances for that. With a good pre-season behind him and time to recover I think we can expect a rejuvenated player going into the new season.
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Post by sparks on Jun 7, 2022 20:32:14 GMT
Think some are forgetting that SJ was being played while carrying an injury towards the end of last season (due to small squad and no better CM options). You have to make allowances for that. With a good pre-season behind him and time to recover I think we can expect a rejuvenated player going into the new season. I thought SJ performances were generally poor over the whole season, too often opponents just waltzed past him albeit due to possibly carrying an injury from the outset. I would be more hopeful of him fitting in with MB plans if there had been news of him having surgery since the season finished. |
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Post by Tarbie on Jun 7, 2022 21:20:53 GMT
That said SJ did really piss me off at home to Fulham. Soaking up the applause from the Fulham fans, whilst he hobbled off slowly when we were losing 1-0.
Proper Captain would have got off the pitch sharpish and would have been shouting instructions to his players as he went.
One of my biggest gripes of Warburton's tenure. He built a squad/team that was really soft at the centre. When the going got tough we just rolled over, more often than not.
Part of the reason I was keen on Ainsworth. I reckon he'd have brought a bit if pride in the shirt back.
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Post by 72bus on Jun 7, 2022 21:30:08 GMT
Would like him to come out and own it if he did have a injury last season
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Post by acricketer on Jun 7, 2022 21:45:24 GMT
Not expecting any change this coming season. He's run his race.
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Post by sparks on Jun 22, 2022 17:14:55 GMT
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Post by West Acton on Jun 22, 2022 17:56:03 GMT
I think he will come good again. Huge fan when fully fit
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Post by sparks on Jun 22, 2022 18:04:28 GMT
I would guess he’s recently had an op looking at his knee.
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Post by Stanley75 on Jun 22, 2022 18:37:13 GMT
Yeah maybe. Unless it's old.  |
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Post by Tarbie on Jun 22, 2022 19:58:47 GMT
Yeah, that does look suspiciously like a reasonably fresh scar doesn't it? Would explain a lot.
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Post by Bill on Jun 22, 2022 20:22:02 GMT
Yeah, that does look suspiciously like a reasonably fresh scar doesn't it? Would explain a lot. Better move him on aint going to last 5 mins playing a pressing game |
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Post by The General on Jun 22, 2022 21:31:15 GMT
I’ve had those scars you get them from advanced sexual manoeuvres 🤣🤣🤣
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Post by sparks on Jul 1, 2022 15:51:14 GMT
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Post by 72bus on Jul 1, 2022 17:13:12 GMT
Injury aside once your pace has gone it's gone . Lost count of the number of times the oppo ran past him last season .
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Post by 2Loftus on Jul 1, 2022 18:39:02 GMT
Injury aside once your pace has gone it's gone . Lost count of the number of times the oppo ran past him last season . Pace may be gone, but passing, vision and class don't fade. A lot of classy players go on into their late 30s - Modric still bossing it at 36, Pirlo went on even older. If SJ can recapture his early form, he'll be a great asset this coming season. |
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Post by hal9thou on Jul 1, 2022 21:00:22 GMT
Injury aside once your pace has gone it's gone . Lost count of the number of times the oppo ran past him last season . A lot of classy players go on into their late 30s - Modric still bossing it at 36, Pirlo went on even older. He never remotely had that kind of class or vision. Gazza did, and he was never the same after his knee injury, and Stef is a lot older than Gazza was whne he did his. Very few people come back to their highest level after that kind of injury. And he was miles off last term. Massive gamble for me. |
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Post by Shania on Jul 1, 2022 21:19:00 GMT
A lot of classy players go on into their late 30s - Modric still bossing it at 36, Pirlo went on even older. He never remotely had that kind of class or vision. Gazza did, and he was never the same after his knee injury, and Stef is a lot older than Gazza was whne he did his.
Very few people come back to their highest level after that kind of injury. And he was miles off last term. Massive gamble for me. So you are comparing Stefan minor op, if he ever had one, with Gazza`s knee injury? |
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Post by Corbray on Jul 1, 2022 21:46:42 GMT
Injury aside once your pace has gone it's gone . Lost count of the number of times the oppo ran past him last season . Pace may be gone, but passing, vision and class don't fade. A lot of classy players go on into their late 30s - Modric still bossing it at 36, Pirlo went on even older. If SJ can recapture his early form, he'll be a great asset this coming season. glenn hoddle, rooney, wilkins, giggs all spring to mind for me as players who still excelled once their legs went. of the lot i only ever saw rooney play live which was when we played derby a few years ago at home. rooney made a huge mistake which ended up leading directly to eze scoring but even so you could tell rooney was a class above throughout the game. his vision, passing and control of the game was absolutely first class. only problem for him, thankfully for us, was that his legs were completely gone |
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Post by acricketer on Jul 1, 2022 22:48:38 GMT
I don't think it was just his legs. He was on the beach for the whole of last season. The article said nothing that was anywhere near interesting, insightful or encouraging.
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Post by 2Loftus on Jul 1, 2022 23:09:16 GMT
A lot of classy players go on into their late 30s - Modric still bossing it at 36, Pirlo went on even older. He never remotely had that kind of class or vision. Gazza did, and he was never the same after his knee injury, and Stef is a lot older than Gazza was whne he did his. Very few people come back to their highest level after that kind of injury. And he was miles off last term. Massive gamble for me. Not comparing SJ with Pirlo and Modric, simply using them as examples of players who continued to contribute despite their relative lack of pace in their 30s. |
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Post by acricketer on Jul 2, 2022 0:25:56 GMT
[/quote]Not comparing SJ with Pirlo and Modric, simply using them as examples of players who continued to contribute despite their relative lack of pace in their 30s.
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Can't wait to see Pirlo and Modric shining through!
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Post by 72bus on Jul 2, 2022 8:41:21 GMT
Johansen mentioned in the same post as modric and pirlo, I'm going back to bed
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Post by 2Loftus on Jul 2, 2022 9:11:30 GMT
Johansen mentioned in the same post as modric and pirlo, I'm going back to bed Yes, saying I wasn't comparing them...  |
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Post by Tarbie on Jul 2, 2022 10:18:11 GMT
I'm really hoping a good rest and a decent pre-season sees Johansen recapture some of the form we saw of him during his loan spell.
This might sound harsh, but I'd pick a new captain. Tell Stefan to concentrate on his own get and give someone who's more likely to start every week the armband.
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Post by hal9thou on Jul 2, 2022 12:00:19 GMT
He never remotely had that kind of class or vision. Gazza did, and he was never the same after his knee injury, and Stef is a lot older than Gazza was whne he did his.
Very few people come back to their highest level after that kind of injury. And he was miles off last term. Massive gamble for me. So you are comparing Stefan minor op, if he ever had one, with Gazza`s knee injury? When you're on the bench as often he's been, in a squad as threadbare as ours, and when you are on the park you can't run = problematic injury issues imo We can't carry passengers. That simple. |
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Post by hal9thou on Jul 2, 2022 12:03:12 GMT
Pace may be gone, but passing, vision and class don't fade. A lot of classy players go on into their late 30s - Modric still bossing it at 36, Pirlo went on even older. If SJ can recapture his early form, he'll be a great asset this coming season. glenn hoddle, rooney, wilkins, giggs all spring to mind for me as players who still excelled once their legs went. yeah but really good teams can maybe afford to carry a passenger for a certain amount of time. We aint in that class. |
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Post by Shania on Jul 2, 2022 14:22:43 GMT
So you are comparing Stefan minor op, if he ever had one, with Gazza`s knee injury? When you're on the bench as often he's been, in a squad as threadbare as ours, and when you are on the park you can't run = problematic injury issues imo We can't carry passengers. That simple. If he`s not fit enough to perform I agree with you, but his injury now sounds sorted. Having said this, I feel we need another proven midfielder in...Exciting times ahead in many ways... |
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