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Post by gtleighsr3 on Oct 23, 2022 7:36:17 GMT
Out of depth is understandable,but more game time u get more comfortable u get. No point in farming out on loan,keep him involved with us.
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Post by alanwycombe on Oct 23, 2022 7:36:18 GMT
So we bring in a manager who has a good reputation working with young players……..then we ship out on loan possibly the best one we’ve got at the moment?
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Post by sparks on Oct 23, 2022 7:45:51 GMT
I want Armstrong to shoot on sight because that’s what good strikers do,left foot or right he always seems to hit the target.
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Post by West Acton on Oct 23, 2022 7:48:37 GMT
Washington used to hit the target all the time unfortunately he also hit the keeper in doing it
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Post by Rangers77 on Oct 23, 2022 7:50:17 GMT
Though he did oK yesterday. And two up benefits Dykes.
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Post by sparks on Oct 23, 2022 8:07:23 GMT
Washington used to hit the target all the time unfortunately he also hit the keeper in doing it Straw man argument, are you seriously comparing Washington to Armstrong. If you don’t shoot you don’t score. |
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Post by West Acton on Oct 23, 2022 8:14:51 GMT
No I’m saying hitting the target is irrelevant unless it crosses the line and provide a recent example of someone who hit the target but rarely scored.
Agree with your comment don’t shoot don’t score
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Post by Stanley75 on Oct 23, 2022 9:03:26 GMT
The problem is we're s so short on firepower up front, otherwise I'd agree another loan would be beneficial. But as things stand we need him here with us.
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Post by awin on Oct 23, 2022 10:10:43 GMT
Lad will be a true talent,needs to stay with MB to reach his potential.
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Oct 23, 2022 11:32:05 GMT
As well as needing him till Jan (when we might finally bring in a striker?) problem with loans is we send out seemingly promising players, normally to much lower league clubs, and they just disappear. Betache, who I was starting to rate a couple of seasons ago, someone said last week was on the bench for a national Conference side. Wd like to think we have better coaches here, and he is getting some game time.
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Post by Shania on Oct 23, 2022 11:47:55 GMT
Lad will be a true talent,needs to stay with MB to reach his potential. This!! |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Oct 23, 2022 14:48:56 GMT
Also if as a club throughout all sides we are playing a certain brand of football now, why loan him out to probably a team with different way of playing.
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Post by Tarbie on Oct 23, 2022 15:25:14 GMT
As well as needing him till Jan (when we might finally bring in a striker?) problem with loans is we send out seemingly promising players, normally to much lower league clubs, and they just disappear. Betache, who I was starting to rate a couple of seasons ago, someone said last week was on the bench for a national Conference side. Wd like to think we have better coaches here, and he is getting some game time. Bettache won't make it at this level in my opinion mate. He'll end up building a career for himself from a League 1 or League 2 side I think. Masterson is one that I thought looked like he might be good enough but doesn't appear to have got much out of his loan spells. Duke-McKenna is another you could maybe put in that bracket so far. I think Armstrong would be different. He'd be first name on the team sheet at any league 1 side you loaned him to. |
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Post by Shania on Oct 23, 2022 16:09:41 GMT
If he needs better matching then send him to a club in Holland, Germany or Denmark.
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Post by 2Loftus on Oct 23, 2022 16:35:40 GMT
Armstrong not the finished article. He’s like a great big, over-eager Rottweiler puppy. He’s got the basics of his training done, but lacking the finesse of a ‘Best in Show’.
It will come though and he’s going to terrorise defences. And Mick Beale is the man to get him there.
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Post by hal9thou on Oct 23, 2022 16:37:16 GMT
If - and its a big if - if we have a fully fit squad there's a strong argument that we're better off not starting Dykes, Armstrong or Bonne.
Arguably we've looked most dangerous with no recognised striker up top ie chair willock roberts.
It would be interesting at some point to take another look at Bonne but as one of three rather than an out and out 9.
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Post by West Acton on Oct 23, 2022 17:12:18 GMT
If he needs better matching then send him to a club in Holland, Germany or Denmark. exactly that’s what I suggested |
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Post by Tarbie on Oct 24, 2022 5:30:32 GMT
I think Bonne will likely go in January based on Beale's last press conference. Whilst he didn't name any names, he said there were a couple that weren't happy with the game time they are getting. I'm assuming he was talking about Bonne, maybe Nico, maybe Masterson.
Beale did also say he wants a few in. Obvious inbounds would be a striker and full back cover. Can't think that the squad needs anything else.
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Post by Corbray on Oct 24, 2022 8:29:38 GMT
given beale and even ramsay's track record in working with youth players then whatever they say is best for armstrong is whats best.
armstrong has tremendous raw ability but i do feel like he's being played out of position at times. i do see him being a regular prem player one day though thats for sure.
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Post by sparks on Oct 24, 2022 8:55:22 GMT
Injuries at the WC or even not getting game time there could alter the picture very quickly regarding our squad, Chair appeared to suffer badly from not being selected in the first 11 for Morocco at AFCON.
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Oct 24, 2022 10:55:04 GMT
I think Bonne will likely go in January based on Beale's last press conference. Whilst he didn't name any names, he said there were a couple that weren't happy with the game time they are getting. I'm assuming he was talking about Bonne, maybe Nico, maybe Masterson. Beale did also say he wants a few in. Obvious inbounds would be a striker and full back cover. Can't think that the squad needs anything else. I would add Thomas and Betache. Must be a question mark over Kelman as seems very ineffective at this level tho has received fairly positive reviews at Orient. We still have some dead wood in the squad which must be hindering our ability to recruit. Easier said than done shifting these type of players tho so not criticising the club. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Oct 28, 2022 7:01:56 GMT
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Post by acricketer on Oct 29, 2022 1:15:14 GMT
Like a puppy playing with a balloon
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Post by Timmy Doc on Oct 29, 2022 4:59:35 GMT
Clearly the biggest disappointment of the season. No development. Muscled Bambi on ice. Fans favourite, but so was Paul Smyth and nobody knows where he is now. Tries so hard it's burning his head. Will fall apart if something doesn't change soon. Not writing him off yet but doesn't look good.
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Post by awin on Oct 29, 2022 9:40:19 GMT
Clearly the biggest disappointment of the season. No development. Muscled Bambi on ice. Fans favourite, but so was Paul Smyth and nobody knows where he is now. Tries so hard it's burning his head. Will fall apart if something doesn't change soon. Not writing him off yet but doesn't look good. Smyth is doing very well at Leyton Orient, keeping kelman out the team and scoring the occasional blinder. |
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Post by West Acton on Oct 29, 2022 9:47:28 GMT
Armstrong I think will come good but you can see why he was not ready last season even though there was big clamour and demand for him to play.
His biggest problem is physically he looks the part and ready so people raise expectations but he’s a kid learning the game against big ugly seasoned pros. He’s going need more time and patience.
Realistically the best thing for him for now would be coming off the bench with 15/20mins left when when those defenders are tired and he runs at them fresh. We’re Short up front so not sure he’s going get that opportunity.
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Post by Stanley75 on Oct 29, 2022 10:50:53 GMT
That was the plan yesterday had it not been for Roberts pulling up with the recurring injury.
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Post by Tarbie on Oct 29, 2022 11:02:32 GMT
I personally think he's not quite ready.
Dangerous thing blooding a youngster with such high expectations around him too early. We all know a small (but noisy) section of our fanbase will be spouting shit about him online already. Better to protect the player and let him learn a bit more on loan in my opinion.
It'll be interesting to see what we do if we can pick up a striker in January.
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Post by sparks on Oct 29, 2022 11:21:05 GMT
I know historically some young strikers starting out in the game are often played out wide (Thierry Henry,Marcus Rashford and Christiano Ronaldo as examples) but can only think the reason is it’s maybe easier to look along the line to avoid being caught offside whilst learning?
Could understand Armstrongs role more if we already had someone who could regularly hold the ball up and was a real threat in the box.
Think someone already suggested Armstrong is currently being played out of position and would tend to agree in his particular case.
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Post by Corbray on Oct 29, 2022 11:37:09 GMT
I personally think he's not quite ready. Dangerous thing blooding a youngster with such high expectations around him too early. We all know a small (but noisy) section of our fanbase will be spouting shit about him online already. Better to protect the player and let him learn a bit more on loan in my opinion. It'll be interesting to see what we do if we can pick up a striker in January. i trust beale in regards to armstrong, given beale's extensive record bringing through young players and working with them. i don't feel like beale is the kind of guy who'd cave to fan pressure either and he's even said in interviews before to trust his judgement with armstrong. from armstrong's interviews he seems like a confident and nice kid. every match armstrong plays the more he learns what to do and what not to do. he's clutching at chances a bit for sure but in 20-30 games i imagine he'll be a completely different player. look at chair when he first came into the side as an example. he had talent but also made the same mistakes 99% of young players make. not everyone can be a wayne rooney or jude bellingham and step into the first team right away. |
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