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Post by West Acton on Sept 24, 2023 14:55:04 GMT
Speed and strength but little else. He is just not ready for the championship Mackie with muscles |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2023 15:48:06 GMT
You seriously think Armstrong gets in CB faces 😳 he’s dominated most games by CBs only really gets better of anyone when ball is out wide and he’s able charge forward. His goal and assist record suggests he don’t worry too many defenders in this league. He don’t even come close to using his physique enough and that is his only asset. He shouldn't be anywhere near first team football at this level but, as said above, beggars can't be choosers. That said, the fans are partly to blame because the way they convinced themselves we had someone very special on our hands and the club, trying to appease fans and deflect attention from the shower of shit the club is nowadays, couldn't wait to give the fans 'one of their own'. He's a player who had scored 4 goals in a dozen matches 3 divisions below us before being elevated to 'hero status' by some. |
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Post by Bill on Sept 24, 2023 16:08:51 GMT
Love the optimism and positivity Corbs but if you can’t score goals relegation contenders is exactly what you are. The harsh reality is that many thought we had the new Clive Allen in Sinclair Armstrong when, in fact, Clive Dunn would be as effective... And all this stuff about what else he brings is missing the point... Strikers who don't score goals are usually as popular as flat chested strippers for a reason. Thats very harsh,give the guy a chance. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2023 16:11:45 GMT
The harsh reality is that many thought we had the new Clive Allen in Sinclair Armstrong when, in fact, Clive Dunn would be as effective... And all this stuff about what else he brings is missing the point... Strikers who don't score goals are usually as popular as flat chested strippers for a reason. Thats very harsh,give the guy a chance. Harsh, but we're not an X Factor competition, Bill. If he's not up the required standard at the moment then we have a responsibility for our sake and his to be honest and take the right steps to ensure we don't ruin his career. Pretending that everything is perfect and he's just unlucky helps no one. |
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Post by Bill on Sept 24, 2023 16:16:05 GMT
Thats very harsh,give the guy a chance. Harsh, but we're not an X Factor competition, Bill. If he's not up the required standard at the moment then we have a responsibility for our sake and his to be honest and take the right steps to ensure we don't ruin his career. Pretending that everything is perfect and he's just unlucky helps no one. Gives him experience and learning opportunity besides which we have no one else. X factor what you on about Best thing since sliced bread at Cardiff,now being criticised no end. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2023 16:34:57 GMT
Harsh, but we're not an X Factor competition, Bill. If he's not up the required standard at the moment then we have a responsibility for our sake and his to be honest and take the right steps to ensure we don't ruin his career. Pretending that everything is perfect and he's just unlucky helps no one. Gives him experience and learning opportunity besides which we have no one else. X factor what you on about Best thing since sliced bread at Cardiff,now being criticised no end. By 'X factor' I mean that that programme sets out to convince average and poor contestants that they are amazing. The 'X Factor Generation' is also now a term used to describe the practice of teachers to tell kids they can be anything they want to be and overlook obvious flaws. I know what you're saying about giving experience but two things: 1) We're in the results business, not an entertainment one. 2) He's not learning anything and appears to be going backwards at times. Some fans were singing his praises after Cardiff but, and you'll have to take my word for this, I wasn't. Even Mark Hately had the occasional decent game... |
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Post by Timmy Doc on Sept 24, 2023 17:15:26 GMT
Not easy to develop as a striker in our current team. I mean who can he learn from?
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Post by Bill on Sept 24, 2023 17:29:32 GMT
Gives him experience and learning opportunity besides which we have no one else. X factor what you on about Best thing since sliced bread at Cardiff,now being criticised no end. By 'X factor' I mean that that programme sets out to convince average and poor contestants that they are amazing. The 'X Factor Generation' is also now a term used to describe the practice of teachers to tell kids they can be anything they want to be and overlook obvious flaws. I know what you're saying about giving experience but two things: 1) We're in the results business, not an entertainment one. 2) He's not learning anything and appears to be going backwards at times. Some fans were singing his praises after Cardiff but, and you'll have to take my word for this, I wasn't. Even Mark Hately had the occasional decent game... So who you going to play instead? |
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Post by Bill on Sept 24, 2023 17:33:16 GMT
Not easy to develop as a striker in our current team. I mean who can he learn from? Another point exactly,our illustrious manager,our illustrious coaches or our free scoring Scottish centre forward. The kid been thrown in the deep end and doing fine by me. |
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Post by acricketer on Sept 24, 2023 17:55:59 GMT
He reminds me of a puppy chasing a balloon.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2023 18:43:44 GMT
By 'X factor' I mean that that programme sets out to convince average and poor contestants that they are amazing. The 'X Factor Generation' is also now a term used to describe the practice of teachers to tell kids they can be anything they want to be and overlook obvious flaws. I know what you're saying about giving experience but two things: 1) We're in the results business, not an entertainment one. 2) He's not learning anything and appears to be going backwards at times. Some fans were singing his praises after Cardiff but, and you'll have to take my word for this, I wasn't. Even Mark Hately had the occasional decent game... So who you going to play instead? Sadly that's where all my arguments collapse. He shouldn't be anywhere near the first team but, as you allude to, we're not blessed with alternatives. |
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Post by Rangers77 on Sept 24, 2023 20:12:45 GMT
Two games of Dykes and Kelman in 442
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Post by Bill on Sept 24, 2023 21:53:49 GMT
Two games of Dykes and Kelman in 442 You cant be serious |
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Post by jfrabbit on Sept 24, 2023 22:49:03 GMT
Dykes
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Possibly the poorest striking department in the league.
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Post by Shania on Sept 25, 2023 4:37:17 GMT
At this stage in his career ideally he should be an option to bring on against tired defenses not necessarily playing full matches.
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Post by Rangers77 on Sept 25, 2023 6:14:36 GMT
Two games of Dykes and Kelman in 442 You cant be serious Tell me after the two games 😊 |
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Post by sparks on Sept 25, 2023 7:04:23 GMT
Now it’s clear why youngsters are rarely given a chance in the first team.
It’s crazy that we’ve all watched Dykes for nearly 3 seasons and mostly agreed he’s rubbish yet some now want him in the team now ahead of Armstrong.🙄
Colback costs us a goal against Ipswich, then is responsible for 4 decent goal scoring opportunities for the opposition in the next game, gets sent off in the game after that and yet our fans want to rip into a 20yr old based on two below average performances😂🤣
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Post by Stanley75 on Sept 25, 2023 7:31:14 GMT
Very unfair the criticism Armstrong is receiving recently, now it’s clear why youngsters are rarely given a chance in the first team. It’s crazy that we’ve all watched Dykes for nearly 3 seasons and mostly agreed he’s rubbish yet some now want him in the team now ahead of Armstrong.🙄 I think there's a middle ground. I've been less critical of Dykes than most over the years but I recognise his weaknesses. Both players bring different strengths to the table. E.g. There's no way Armstrong would have scored that header Dykes took the other night for the goal. But Armstrong has the strength and pace that Dykes lacks. We all know a striker's main job is to score goals. So far Armstrong has scored just one for us at senior level - a tap in that would have been harder to miss. So he clearly needs to up his ratio. Had he done that you can guarantee he'd be getting far less criticism on here. |
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Post by sparks on Sept 25, 2023 7:52:06 GMT
Very unfair the criticism Armstrong is receiving recently, now it’s clear why youngsters are rarely given a chance in the first team. It’s crazy that we’ve all watched Dykes for nearly 3 seasons and mostly agreed he’s rubbish yet some now want him in the team now ahead of Armstrong.🙄 I think there's a middle ground. I've been less critical of Dykes than most over the years but I recognise his weaknesses. Both players bring different strengths to the table. E.g. There's no way Armstrong would have scored that header Dykes took the other night for the goal. But Armstrong has the strength and pace that Dykes lacks. We all know a striker's main job is to score goals. So far Armstrong has scored just one for us at senior level - a tap in that would have been harder to miss. So he clearly needs to up his ratio. Had he done that you can guarantee he'd be getting far less criticism on here As far as I’m aware he’s missed 2 decent chances and he’s been caught offside a fair bit, probably expected when first starting out? Dykes scores one recent goal and all his previous misses and lack of working the CBs spanning two and a half seasons is forgotten, hardly a fair comparison Stan. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2023 7:52:46 GMT
Very unfair the criticism Armstrong is receiving recently, now it’s clear why youngsters are rarely given a chance in the first team. It’s crazy that we’ve all watched Dykes for nearly 3 seasons and mostly agreed he’s rubbish yet some now want him in the team now ahead of Armstrong.🙄 I think there's a middle ground. I've been less critical of Dykes than most over the years but I recognise his weaknesses. Both players bring different strengths to the table. E.g. There's no way Armstrong would have scored that header Dykes took the other night for the goal. But Armstrong has the strength and pace that Dykes lacks. We all know a striker's main job is to score goals. So far Armstrong has scored just one for us at senior level - a tap in that would have been harder to miss. So he clearly needs to up his ratio. Had he done that you can guarantee he'd be getting far less criticism on here. It's a combination of the lack of goals and the hype which is the issue for me. If you listen to some people he's one of the most feared forwards in the division and one of the better prospects in the country. Great discussion btw and one that you look at LFW and know that you'd be shouted down for having. |
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Post by West Acton on Sept 25, 2023 7:52:59 GMT
Dykes 1 in 4 (that a ratio is not good enough imo)
Armstrong 1 in 32 (that rate is defo not good enough)
I’ve always been of the belief striker should be hitting minimum 1 in 3 not sure what the average is across the league for striker but I’m guessing it’s about that. Can either or any of our strikers on our books become 1 in 3 🤷🏽♂️ probably not as they all seem to miss sitters.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2023 7:55:52 GMT
Now it’s clear why youngsters are rarely given a chance in the first team. It’s crazy that we’ve all watched Dykes for nearly 3 seasons and mostly agreed he’s rubbish yet some now want him in the team now ahead of Armstrong.🙄 Colback costs us a goal against Ipswich, then is responsible for 4 decent goal scoring opportunities for the opposition in the next game, gets sent off in the game after that and yet our fans want to rip into a 20yr old based on two below average performances😂🤣 Dykes isn't great but he's a lot better than Armstrong and the stats show that's more than an opinion to be fair. |
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Post by sparks on Sept 25, 2023 8:02:31 GMT
Dykes 1 in 4 (that a ratio is not good enough imo) Armstrong 1 in 32 (that rate is defo not good enough) I’ve always been of the belief striker should be hitting minimum 1 in 3 not sure what the average is across the league for striker but I’m guessing it’s about that. Can either or any of our strikers on our books become 1 in 3 🤷🏽♂️ probably not as they all seem to miss sitters. I personally don’t think it’s fair to compare stats with both players, don’t think Armstrong has started enough games to be accurate especially for a 20yr old Take away Donkeys pens I seriously doubt he’s scored 15 goals from open play in nearly 3 seasons for us. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Sept 25, 2023 8:09:42 GMT
I think there's a middle ground. I've been less critical of Dykes than most over the years but I recognise his weaknesses. Both players bring different strengths to the table. E.g. There's no way Armstrong would have scored that header Dykes took the other night for the goal. But Armstrong has the strength and pace that Dykes lacks. We all know a striker's main job is to score goals. So far Armstrong has scored just one for us at senior level - a tap in that would have been harder to miss. So he clearly needs to up his ratio. Had he done that you can guarantee he'd be getting far less criticism on here As far as I’m aware he’s missed 2 decent chances and he’s been caught offside a fair bit, probably expected when first starting out? Dykes scores one recent goal and all his previous misses and lack of working the CBs spanning two and a half seasons is forgotten, hardly a fair comparison Stan. Essentially what my post compares are their relative strengths and weaknesses as strikers, which is fair Sparks. Is Armstrong still developing? Yes of course, and there's certainly more scope for that than Dykes, so hopefully he can continue to improve, particularly his finishing. |
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Post by sparks on Sept 25, 2023 8:18:56 GMT
As far as I’m aware he’s missed 2 decent chances and he’s been caught offside a fair bit, probably expected when first starting out? Dykes scores one recent goal and all his previous misses and lack of working the CBs spanning two and a half seasons is forgotten, hardly a fair comparison Stan. Essentially what my post compares are their relative strengths and weaknesses as strikers, which is fair Sparks. Is Armstrong still developing? Yes of course and hopefully he can improve Dykes has been playing men’s football for 5yrs+ and he’s mature, Armstrong has been playing men’s football for less than 1 yr at best and he’s just 20. Very difficult to compare both players fairly Stan. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Sept 25, 2023 8:50:07 GMT
Essentially what my post compares are their relative strengths and weaknesses as strikers, which is fair Sparks. Is Armstrong still developing? Yes of course and hopefully he can improve Dykes has been playing men’s football for 5yrs+ and he’s mature, Armstrong has been playing men’s football for less than 1 yr at best and he’s just 20. Very difficult to compare both players fairly Stan. I would say that it's fair to compare their natural attributes as strikers. I've made the point that Armstrong has more scope for improvement than Dykes as he's a lot younger. So hopefully that continues, particularly where it's needed most, with his finishing. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2023 8:51:31 GMT
Essentially what my post compares are their relative strengths and weaknesses as strikers, which is fair Sparks. Is Armstrong still developing? Yes of course and hopefully he can improve Dykes has been playing men’s football for 5yrs+ and he’s mature, Armstrong has been playing men’s football for less than 1 yr at best and he’s just 20. Very difficult to compare both players fairly Stan. You are right, very right as it happens. However, the one thing both have in common is that they are playing frequently for the First Team and, as a consequence, both will be scrutinised and compared as fans try to understand the justification of either being worthy of that. |
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Post by sparks on Sept 25, 2023 9:28:01 GMT
Dykes has been playing men’s football for 5yrs+ and he’s mature, Armstrong has been playing men’s football for less than 1 yr at best and he’s just 20. Very difficult to compare both players fairly Stan. I would say that it's fair to compare their natural attributes as strikers. I've made the point that Armstrong has more scope for improvement than Dykes as he's a lot younger. So hopefully that continues, particularly where it's needed most, with his finishing. Armstrong has been thrown in with 2 cloggers and a ghost in MF meaning he’s feeding on scraps from long balls under a very primitive playing style under Ainsworth. Dykes has had much better service under previous managers and has proved beyond doubt he’s a ”DUD” if we are judging strikers purely on goals. Armstrong has pace and uses his physique but I genuinely fail to see what ability Dykes brings to the table on a regular basis? |
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Post by Stanley75 on Sept 25, 2023 9:35:09 GMT
I would say that it's fair to compare their natural attributes as strikers. I've made the point that Armstrong has more scope for improvement than Dykes as he's a lot younger. So hopefully that continues, particularly where it's needed most, with his finishing. Armstrong has been thrown in with 2 cloggers and a ghost in MF meaning he’s feeding on scraps from long balls under a very primitive playing style under Ainsworth. Dykes has had much better service under previous managers and has proved beyond doubt he’s a ”DUD” if we are judging strikers purely on goals. Armstrong has pace and uses his physique but I genuinely fail to see what ability Dykes brings to the table on a regular basis? Sparks, I'm not particularly defending or criticising either player. Merely trying to objectively point out their respective strengths and weaknesses. |
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Post by jfrabbit on Sept 25, 2023 11:04:09 GMT
sparksNo. I think what that shows is how bloody bad the situation is. Everyone knows my opinion on Dykes. I think he’s a poor striker BUT he scores more than Sinclair Armstrong, he plays internationally where he gets great ratings and I think it’s simply a case of the best of a bad bunch. We are weak as piss in the striking department. Also, there is no harm in saying Armstrong Isn’t quite ready yet, he isn’t!
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