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Post by Bill on Feb 23, 2022 10:02:15 GMT
But why aren`t they doing that anymore? I seem to remember that Dickie lost the ball on a few occations and we conceded as a result of it. That is one reason perhaps. Its a good question, and one I would love to ask Warbs. You might be right. Are they instructed to keep it tighter at the back or have they lost confidence, or is it a lack of movement ahead? To cautious |
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Post by Stanley75 on Feb 23, 2022 10:07:28 GMT
Having three at the back is supposed to add two more players to MF when in possession, though. I don't think the problem has been our formation. Just think MW has been picking the wrong starting 11. And when things have gone wrong he's been too slow to adapt. The exact same criticisms were levelled at him in the first half of last season, before things turned round from January '21. In the 70's and 80's 4-4-2 was far more fashionable. The fullbacks would make overlapping runs though, so they would still double as wingers, OR interchange that role with the two wide midfielders. Perhaps it's time for a return to that... So even against very mediocre attacks we have three big, immobile lumps sitting at the back, not contributing anything going forward. And with Field and Stef playing equally negatively (and virtually as deep) its no wonder we aren't scoring goals. For me this formation could work, but it needs to press forward more and it needs one central defender and at least one midfielder to break into forward positions as you describe - and actually hit some forward passes. I don't think the issue is particularly with the personnel - lots of fans cried out for Amos and he came in and was arguably even worse. Warbs dropped Johansen who had been badly off form. Last game we changed the goalkeeper, left wing back midfield and striker. He has actually made quite a few changes in terms of players but not a great deal has changed in terms of performance or result. Really don’t want Dickie bombing forward he’s awful at it. He’s cost us more goals doing it then he’s created This. 100%. He’s far too slow to do it and gets caught in possession easily and too often. You guys beat me to it. |
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Feb 23, 2022 11:59:05 GMT
Interesting you guys think that. I mean he has been caught in possession, for sure. But recently on a rare foray forward I remember Dickie slinging in a great cross from the right wing that probably should have produced a goal. And of course he was scoring a few spectacular long range goals.
If you are right, though, and the centre halves have been told to stay behind the half way line, fine - but then why aren't the midfield players showing for the ball and risking turning their man rather than just tapping it straight back to the centre half looking all pleased with themselves like they have actually achieved anything? Someone has to move the ball through the thirds, surely?
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Feb 23, 2022 12:27:16 GMT
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Post by Bill on Feb 23, 2022 14:02:49 GMT
Really don’t want Dickie bombing forward he’s awful at it. He’s cost us more goals doing it then he’s created This. 100%. He’s far too slow to do it and gets caught in possession easily and too often. If he bombs forward someone should drop back as cover surely |
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Post by Bill on Feb 23, 2022 14:03:15 GMT
2-1 sqeaky bum time last 15 mins i hope |
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Post by 72bus on Feb 23, 2022 14:42:38 GMT
We will win tonight . Ladbrokes here I come at 10/11
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Feb 23, 2022 15:01:27 GMT
I’d take a point😶
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Post by alanwycombe on Feb 23, 2022 16:00:34 GMT
But that's just it, the centre halves aren't breaking into midfield any more. Early in the season Dickie was charging forward and causing panic in opposition midfields/ defences - but none of the centre halves break forward now. So even against very mediocre attacks we have three big, immobile lumps sitting at the back, not contributing anything going forward. And with Field and Stef playing equally negatively (and virtually as deep) its no wonder we aren't scoring goals. For me this formation could work, but it needs to press forward more and it needs one central defender and at least one midfielder to break into forward positions as you describe - and actually hit some forward passes. I don't think the issue is particularly with the personnel - lots of fans cried out for Amos and he came in and was arguably even worse. Warbs dropped Johansen who had been badly off form. Last game we changed the goalkeeper, left wing back midfield and striker. He has actually made quite a few changes in terms of players but not a great deal has changed in terms of performance or result. This. 100%. He’s far too slow to do it and gets caught in possession easily and too often. You guys beat me to it. That should ensure he scores a worldy tonight then…. |
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Post by alanwycombe on Feb 23, 2022 16:26:54 GMT
We will win tonight . Ladbrokes here I come at 10/11 And we’ll take Blackburn because I can’t make it so I’m bound to miss Dykes’ hat trick all set up by Hendrick😁 |
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Post by West Acton on Feb 23, 2022 17:45:26 GMT
We will win tonight . Ladbrokes here I come at 10/11 And we’ll take Blackburn because I can’t make it so I’m bound to miss Dykes’ hat trick all set up by Hendrick😁 live on sky |
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Post by alanwycombe on Feb 23, 2022 18:10:22 GMT
I love Sky, have always been a big fan.
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Post by awin on Feb 23, 2022 18:49:34 GMT
No strikers in the starting 11
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Post by Rangers77 on Feb 23, 2022 18:50:58 GMT
Lol. That's how bad they are.
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Post by alanwycombe on Feb 23, 2022 18:51:59 GMT
Wish he’d stick to what worked when Chair was away.
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Post by awin on Feb 23, 2022 18:52:50 GMT
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Post by Timmy Doc on Feb 23, 2022 18:54:15 GMT
Interesting starting 11 with no strikers?! Can't decide if that's good or bad thing. Can't be worse what it's been?
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Post by alanwycombe on Feb 23, 2022 18:54:33 GMT
Willock false nine. Might be a bit sophisticated for us😁
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Post by Hitman34 on Feb 23, 2022 18:56:16 GMT
No strikers in the starting 11 We dont need strikers according to breadman. Amos bombed out after one start. We better win tonight, for breadmans sake. |
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Post by alanwycombe on Feb 23, 2022 18:56:56 GMT
Interesting starting 11 with no strikers?! Can't decide if that's good or bad thing. Can't be worse what it's been? We never give them the ball lately so what’s to lose? |
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Post by alanwycombe on Feb 23, 2022 18:59:56 GMT
Willock false nine. Might be a bit sophisticated for us😁 Seriously, if that is the idea I would question Field Johansen and Hendrick - one of them needs to be something different. Play Amos where he should be, leave out Field. |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Feb 23, 2022 19:03:13 GMT
If i was a striker id be a bit pissed off even if not been ripping it up.warbs going a strange like Ollie the wally did.
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Post by Timmy Doc on Feb 23, 2022 19:04:59 GMT
No strikers in the starting 11 We dont need strikers according to breadman. Amos bombed out after one start. We better win tonight, for breadmans sake. We wanted changes, we got changes. Have to give him credit for at least trying something different. |
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Post by alanwycombe on Feb 23, 2022 19:05:21 GMT
If i was a striker id be a bit pissed off even if not been ripping it up.warbs going a strange like Ollie the wally did. Definitely Gray |
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Post by awin on Feb 23, 2022 19:06:15 GMT
If i was a striker id be a bit pissed off even if not been ripping it up.warbs going a strange like Ollie the wally did. But it could be a master stroke. |
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Post by alanwycombe on Feb 23, 2022 19:06:24 GMT
We dont need strikers according to breadman. Amos bombed out after one start. We better win tonight, for breadmans sake. We wanted changes, we got changes. Have to give him credit for at least trying something different. Very generous. At least he’s trying it tonight not Saturday. If it works we go to Blackburn with confidence. |
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Post by Tarbie on Feb 23, 2022 19:10:04 GMT
Chair as a False 9? Sums up how out of form our strikers are at the moment!
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Post by Timmy Doc on Feb 23, 2022 19:11:12 GMT
We wanted changes, we got changes. Have to give him credit for at least trying something different. Very generous. At least he’s trying it tonight not Saturday. If it works we go to Blackburn with confidence. Probably the biggest "IF" for a while. |
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Post by Tarbie on Feb 23, 2022 19:11:28 GMT
Sorry, just seen it's probably Willock up top. BBC had it displayed with Willock and Johansen behind chair.
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Post by Stanley75 on Feb 23, 2022 19:12:22 GMT
No strikers in the starting 11 And yet MW told the DoF he was happy with his 3 strikers. Interesting timing to say the least. |
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