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Post by awin on Jun 8, 2023 11:52:45 GMT
Pukki great player Would take Manning as squad player better than Kakay IF Popodom comes I’m gone Who is Popodom? Lumley
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Post by spongeparr on Jun 8, 2023 12:07:52 GMT
Can't afford Pukki Can't afford Manning We wouldn't go back for Lumley.
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Post by The General on Jun 8, 2023 13:19:41 GMT
Can't afford Pukki Can't afford Manning We wouldn't go back for Lumley. Sorry sponge not true Use 2 mill from Dykes to pay his wages Free transfer you would also get Manning too
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Post by The General on Jun 8, 2023 13:22:07 GMT
Just like we should have used the 1.5 Million from Mick Dick to finance a proper manager
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Jun 8, 2023 14:07:01 GMT
Narwich even shit are better than us and puki couldn’t hit ulrika Johnson if she was in front of him last season. So he have no chance with our mob feeding him via the upper seats of all stands
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Jun 8, 2023 15:23:58 GMT
Can't afford Pukki Can't afford Manning We wouldn't go back for Lumley. Sorry sponge not true Use 2 mill from Dykes to pay his wages Free transfer you would also get Manning too If we did get 2m for him it would just go towards the 10m we have to save to get within FFP - there is no money to buy players this transfer window unless we sell exceptionally well and get a windfall from Eze
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Post by sparks on Jun 8, 2023 15:38:41 GMT
Genuine question Stainrod where is this £10m FFP deficit coming from, would love to know how you get to this figure?
I’m guessing it comes from reading LFW but I can’t understand how this particular figure is reached.
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Jun 8, 2023 16:23:33 GMT
Genuine question Stainrod where is this £10m FFP deficit coming from, would love to know how you get to this figure? I’m guessing it comes from reading LFW but I can’t understand how this particular figure is reached. yes mate that's where I got it from. My understanding is that FFP is calculated in three year cycles of spend v income, next season the Eze money drops out of the equation and we have had no significant (if any) transfer income since then. At the margins I think there is a degree of guesswork and it might turn out to be £8m or it might turn out to be £12m but it seems pretty clear there is a major shortfall and the complete lack of PR bollocks coming out of the club would support the idea that the club is in panic about it. Tbf Ferdinand, whatever we all think of him, was pretty clear in the last big interview he did (think also on LFW) in which he was v clear that every player was for sale and we had to raise funds.
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Post by sparks on Jun 8, 2023 16:42:22 GMT
Genuine question Stainrod where is this £10m FFP deficit coming from, would love to know how you get to this figure? I’m guessing it comes from reading LFW but I can’t understand how this particular figure is reached. yes mate that's where I got it from. My understanding is that FFP is calculated in three year cycles of spend v income, next season the Eze money drops out of the equation and we have had no significant (if any) transfer income since then. At the margins I think there is a degree of guesswork and it might turn out to be £8m or it might turn out to be £12m but it seems pretty clear there is a major shortfall and the complete lack of PR bollocks coming out of the club would support the idea that the club is in panic about it. Tbf Ferdinand, whatever we all think of him, was pretty clear in the last big interview he did (think also on LFW) in which he was v clear that every player was for sale and we had to raise funds. Thanks for your honest answer Stainrod. Ive read through the same posts numerous times you speak about and I’m still uncertain on a few issues that remain in that article by Simon D. If those posts on there are believed as reasonably accurate then it’s also said FFP won’t be an issue until season 2024/25.
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Post by hal9thou on Jun 8, 2023 17:15:34 GMT
Genuine question Stainrod where is this £10m FFP deficit coming from, would love to know how you get to this figure? I’m guessing it comes from reading LFW but I can’t understand how this particular figure is reached. yes mate that's where I got it from. My understanding is that FFP is calculated in three year cycles of spend v income, next season the Eze money drops out of the equation and we have had no significant (if any) transfer income since then. At the margins I think there is a degree of guesswork and it might turn out to be £8m or it might turn out to be £12m but it seems pretty clear there is a major shortfall and the complete lack of PR bollocks coming out of the club would support the idea that the club is in panic about it. Tbf Ferdinand, whatever we all think of him, was pretty clear in the last big interview he did (think also on LFW) in which he was v clear that every player was for sale and we had to raise funds. We could save a shed load if we wanted using the means suggested elsewhere: take the axe to everything and everyone who does not directly input to the first team squad bar the cleaners and maintenance. Academy gone, Belk gone, Ferdinand gone, Ramsey gone, marketing gone. Get rid of expensive failures. You need a core of organised, committed players. That is how club's with a much smaller budget than ours have achieved success. There's also the Beale compensation money to chuck in to the FFP equation, that seems to have been left out. Unfortunately, the other way of doing it - bypassing FFP in the time honoured way via complex inter company loans - requires the intelligence we simply don't have. But it's worth reminding everyone that more clubs have got away with FFP overspends than been sanctioned. Les's sale propaganda is completely undermined because we always sell at a serious loss. Unless you end up with a seat at the big table, there is no such thing as sustainability in the championship. Fact. There's a good reason FFP doesn't apply from tier 3 down: there would be no tier 3 down.
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Post by Corbray on Jun 8, 2023 17:47:42 GMT
no point scrapping academy now after the investment into it and the training ground imo. plus it has had its success, chair, eze, furlong, manning among many others all went through the academy system to some degree. the issue with the academy comes down to les and co making poor financial choices and being caught out.
i do think we'll have some money to spend too. the club has said that we are in line with FFP plus theres the new sky tv deal to take into account.
even so though we should be looking at cutting costs across the club.
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Post by hal9thou on Jun 8, 2023 20:50:47 GMT
no point scrapping academy now after the investment into it and the training ground imo. plus it has had its success, chair, eze, furlong, manning among many others all went through the academy system to some degree. the issue with the academy comes down to les and co making poor financial choices and being caught out. i do think we'll have some money to spend too. the club has said that we are in line with FFP plus theres the new sky tv deal to take into account. even so though we should be looking at cutting costs across the club. Agree that the new media deal will help, which is another reason why I'm not convinced by some of the figures being quoted on here. But look where our junior teams finished in the league. In business you can not keep on making excuses for failure. You have to make the tough calls. We spend far too much money off the park. If we want to success on the cheap we absolutely have to focus what expenditure we have on the first team squad. Everything else is irrelevant.
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Jun 8, 2023 21:48:07 GMT
Stand to be corrected but don't think youth team stuff counts towards FFP
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Jun 8, 2023 21:48:17 GMT
We not Chelsea, we can’t afford to have 390 hopefuls that we can loan out and find maybe 1-2. Wealthy clubs get the cream in the system anyway and normally nick them off the paupers like us for fuck all after we had them for a while.The whole football system is built to appease and facilitate the top clubs
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Post by spongeparr on Jun 9, 2023 8:41:46 GMT
Can't afford Pukki Can't afford Manning We wouldn't go back for Lumley. Sorry sponge not true Use 2 mill from Dykes to pay his wages Free transfer you would also get Manning too Pukki is on 25k a week. We can't afford that. Manning left us in part for more money. We have less money than when he left and if being touted to go to an upper championship team so how can we also afford him? Plus LWB/LB isn't our weaklink. More than happy with Paal.
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Post by croydoncaptainjack on Jun 9, 2023 8:53:56 GMT
yes mate that's where I got it from. My understanding is that FFP is calculated in three year cycles of spend v income, next season the Eze money drops out of the equation and we have had no significant (if any) transfer income since then. At the margins I think there is a degree of guesswork and it might turn out to be £8m or it might turn out to be £12m but it seems pretty clear there is a major shortfall and the complete lack of PR bollocks coming out of the club would support the idea that the club is in panic about it. Tbf Ferdinand, whatever we all think of him, was pretty clear in the last big interview he did (think also on LFW) in which he was v clear that every player was for sale and we had to raise funds. Thanks for your honest answer Stainrod. Ive read through the same posts numerous times you speak about and I’m still uncertain on a few issues that remain in that article by Simon D. If those posts on there are believed as reasonably accurate then it’s also said FFP won’t be an issue until season 2024/25. I know Simon well and he is pretty clued up on FFP. For a non-Accountant I always find that quite impressive. The whole thing is a joke though. an honourable principla but seems to do the opposite of what was intended.
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Post by sparks on Jun 9, 2023 10:14:11 GMT
Thanks for your honest answer Stainrod. Ive read through the same posts numerous times you speak about and I’m still uncertain on a few issues that remain in that article by Simon D. If those posts on there are believed as reasonably accurate then it’s also said FFP won’t be an issue until season 2024/25. I know Simon well and he is pretty clued up on FFP. For a non-Accountant I always find that quite impressive. The whole thing is a joke though. an honourable principla but seems to do the opposite of what was intended. Whatever suppositions I may hold the report Simon put together is on par with others seen on social media CCJ. Would agree with your point about FFP and am surprised by our owners recent admissions that it’s needed, it begs a question of what happens if we are relegated at some point and are removed of FFP shackles.
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Jun 9, 2023 10:23:52 GMT
yes mate that's where I got it from. My understanding is that FFP is calculated in three year cycles of spend v income, next season the Eze money drops out of the equation and we have had no significant (if any) transfer income since then. At the margins I think there is a degree of guesswork and it might turn out to be £8m or it might turn out to be £12m but it seems pretty clear there is a major shortfall and the complete lack of PR bollocks coming out of the club would support the idea that the club is in panic about it. Tbf Ferdinand, whatever we all think of him, was pretty clear in the last big interview he did (think also on LFW) in which he was v clear that every player was for sale and we had to raise funds. Thanks for your honest answer Stainrod. Ive read through the same posts numerous times you speak about and I’m still uncertain on a few issues that remain in that article by Simon D. If those posts on there are believed as reasonably accurate then it’s also said FFP won’t be an issue until season 2024/25. Thanks for your reply. My understanding (and I'm no accountant) is that accounts are published a year later so yes no penalty is likely to be imposed on us next year, it would, if at all, be the year after. But FFP is calculated on a three year rolling cycle and our limit is around 39m over three years and with the Eze windfall out of that 3-year-cycle there is a massive hole, given that we lose nearly 2m a month. If you think about it what those posters like Simon are saying makes perfect sense: we would have been massively in breach of FFP but for the Eze windfall. We spend massively more than we earn, I don't think anyone disputes that. Nothing has replaced that Eze money, indeed we lose the "Eze year" and have to contend with the "Stef and Charlie year" (ie when we broke the bank and wages crept back up again). None of us here - or on LFW - are privy to every deal and therefore we can't know the exact picture, you are right there, but I don't think anyone can seriously dispute that we are under severe financial stress from all that we do know. It is obvs not what we as fans want to hear - the club is unable to pay any transfers and will need to sell players to reduce FFP headwinds - but not wanting it to be true doesn't make it untrue. I haven't read any half-cogent commentary on our accounts saying we are not under any FFP pressures and everything is rosy, if it existed I would love to see it.
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Post by sparks on Jun 9, 2023 10:33:27 GMT
I understand the £4m loss when Eze was sold drops out the cycle Stainrod but although we lost £24m in 2021 £10.2 was made up in training ground and FFP fine, then as Simon says there are an estimated £3m to £4m allowable costs to be deducted?
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Post by Bill on Jun 9, 2023 15:20:28 GMT
You still got your boots Bill? Yes Tarbie and i can paint!!
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Post by Tarbie on Jun 17, 2023 16:25:49 GMT
If Gallen is coming his first job should be to try and broker a deal to bring Miles Leaburn with him.
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Post by Shania on Jun 18, 2023 18:14:12 GMT
Bersant Celina is a free agent now. I can't remember what kind of midfielder he was really...
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Post by Tarbie on Jun 18, 2023 18:19:50 GMT
Bersant Celina is a free agent now. I can't remember what kind of midfielder he was really... Highly rated as a youngster. Couldn't get into the Stoke side last season though. Not that this means he wouldn't be good enough for us though!
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Post by Shania on Jun 18, 2023 18:28:57 GMT
Bersant Celina is a free agent now. I can't remember what kind of midfielder he was really... Highly rated as a youngster. Couldn't get into the Stoke side last season though. Not that this means he wouldn't be good enough for us though! True that, but would no doubt be a gamble in (too) many ways.
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Post by Corbray on Jun 18, 2023 19:45:01 GMT
irc, didn't celina score a worldie against us a few years ago?
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Post by Shania on Jul 1, 2023 18:52:02 GMT
Jonatan Braut Brunes and Zlatko Tripic are two players from Norway we should go for. The first one a young fox in the box type of player. The latter an experienced battler. A player other teams hate to meet.
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Post by alanwycombe on Jul 1, 2023 19:10:47 GMT
You should apply to the club to be a scout 🙂
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Jul 1, 2023 19:24:36 GMT
You should apply to the club to be a scout 🙂 on a volunteer basis as no chance of getting expenses let alone a wage
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Post by Stanley75 on Jul 1, 2023 19:44:36 GMT
You should apply to the club to be a scout 🙂 Seriously Shania , I would encourage you to email the club with these tips. It certainly can't do any harm.
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Post by Corbray on Jul 1, 2023 19:45:27 GMT
i always wonder how much scouting we do abroad, or rather how little we do. it makes zero sense. out of curiousity Shania are there any hidden gem players that you've suggested over the years that have gone on to find success abroad?
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