Improvements to Loftus Road

No. That’s point made by Hoos many times

Yes, the owners may well have a misplaced love of being football club owners, but fundamentally, they are businessmen.
Any new stadium has to make commercial sense to them, and most options do not make any financial sense at all.
If you look at the history, the Car Giant idea was grounded in the HS2 regeneration. They even bought property next to the depot to provide a bridge to the Car Giant area. They thought they could just take over the Car Giant land, whose owners could see similar value in remaining there.  I think their tactics and approach was arrogant and misplaced.
Then we have the long running saga of Linford Christie. The relationship with H&F has been dreadful. H&F not covered themselves in glory either, but it would seem that QPR wanted to build and own the community land and build a commercial enterprise for profit, probably with borrowed money from supporters. Fair enough, but that takes some persuasion given all the covenants and interested parties. Their biggest lever was that the existing stadium was costing the council money to maintain. But despite consultations and feasibility studies, it has never really got off the ground. I can never see it happening, it has way too many hurdles to climb.
Then we have Warren Farm. Millions wasted, they were outsmarted by the locals, I do not blame our owners for anything other than flogging a dead horse for too long in Ealing, but when you have spent a lot of money, it is really hard to stop and pull the plug.
Full marks for Heston, although it was achieved with a supporter's bond - as would any new stadium.
But as others have said, any new stadium will have to include a mix of commercial, community and ecological solutions.
And then still make money for our owners. That is a tough ask, and why I think that only discarded HS2 offers any real possibility.
In the meantime, we have been told it is all about improving Loftus Road. We all love it, we love the atmosphere that can be generated, we love our memories there, our closeness to the action, how quaint it is compared to soulless new stadiums, the noise coming from Q, P & R blocks, Jude the cat and all that history (I was born in Queens Park), our bruised knees, our iron girders obstructing the view, the queues for the toilets, the catering, the time it takes to get out of Ellerslie Road, the dreadful parking, the West London traffic....oh hang on a minute, I think I lost my way there LOL

A few problems with it. One is height. We can't go higher due to the light for the houses. We can't go lower due to the watertable (I heard that anyway, no idea if true) but also, the lower you go, the less space there is. Our pitch is already as small as allowed.

Lastly, the gradient of our stands wouldn't be approved if re built, so our ground would be smaller.

I personally think 30k is about right. Gives us room for bigger events to be held and also means when we get the Prem, we can bring in more. a 30k stadium would only be around top 30 in size in England. Around 30k is pretty common (Forest, Derby, Coventry, Southampton etc all have aound 30 and thats without googling it.

Only get 1 chance at a new stadium. I wouldnt want to waste it by having a lack of ambition of always thinking we'll sell what we sell now. Don't forget, many people dont turn up to LR due to facilities when full or due to the view. Attendances will naturally grow.

Didn't see that one coming, but I am all for it.

Not sure on logistics and probably won't happen but is this part of a next phase of moving the family stand there and increasing the safe standing in the Loft? Bit of a leap I know.

So question for any builders/ architects on here - when we are so short of capacity, if we take on the bottom tier of that ludicrously named stand for home fans that's great, but the first few rows have to be empty for fear of away fans throwing projectiles on them from above. So that's a lot of revenue we will lose. So how expensive would it be to add perspex or similar sheeting over that area so we could sell those seats? Surely not fortunes? If we are staying at Loftus Rd this is surely a cheap fix that ups capacity.

I dont know why we take seats out as you go other away grounds and they don’t do that home and away fans are above and below each other. It seems a QPR thing to do as no one else does it.

Because years back Stoke City fans were spitting on families with kids as well as other bodily fluids on the those below.

Comes back to my point about the % of away fans to the capacity.

As we are below 20k stadium, we have to offer minimum 10% of the capacity. Our ground is what, around 18.5k? Not sure what the top tier holds but must be around the 1.8k mark?

Yes vaguely remember that Bill, it was years ago right? Typical Stoke fans - only semi-human.

How about the other way round then - make the upper tier a home family stand and lower tier away fans? 

Apologies if that a dumb question, maybe capacity too low down there?

How about up and down to one side like, say, City? Open out to SA Rd. Lower tier at Forest and, in the past, Bramall Lane for example not a pleasant experience.

Love this decision another good one

Just make the ground home fans only 🤣

Never been upper School End but lower school only has 1 bar and toilets. Couldn’t go half and half for that reason.

Glad they've renamed the stand. It was starting look a little bit down at heel.

Can't buy seats there for WBA game. Had we already sold to WBA or something?