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Post by The General on Jun 11, 2024 21:08:05 GMT
Truth is they want to sell the land
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Post by alanwycombe on Jun 11, 2024 21:12:48 GMT
Just build it slightly higher not much a bit New stadium on the same footprint but higher Its not rocket science is it really New stadium 25k capacity Cant see why its such and issue Unless they don’t really want it hmmmm Is it worth spending 100mil to increase capacity by 7k ? No. That’s point made by Hoos many times
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Post by West Acton on Jun 12, 2024 6:41:53 GMT
I thought Ruben said at recent fans forum stadium ambition was more moderate then initial plans and they were looking at 25k
Surely it’s cheaper to build a 25k stadium (if possible) on the site where you already own the land where the only cost is the build then having to spend money on new plot of land and the construction costs?
Brentford, Luton and Bournemouth proving don’t need huge stadiums to be in prem so even 20k with decent facilities and corporate etc would do the job.
Personally don’t think we need more than 25k max so anything more if that’s what fans are hoping for imo is just waste of economies of scales.
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Post by Hertfordshire Ranger on Jun 12, 2024 7:10:17 GMT
I still think that the most likely scenario is the site of the old Macro retail outlet. Just across the road to HS2 /Old Oak Station, just down the road from Willesden Junction and East Acton stations. No residential, or green belt issues. Surrounded by railway lines / bus garages and little else. Makro was demolished to make way for an HS2 depot, one of many, they will not need them all throughout. When they clear out... Oh, and apparently it is Ealing Council not H&F - and they owe us one for Warren Farm! Of course, the land will be valuable for housing given the proximity to transport - but therein lies the problem for any site for us. But compare and contrast the hurdles there with the Linford Christie hurdles. The issue remains though, have our owners got the appetite for it still? good insight. tbh if i were the owners i would want to sell up BUT recoup as much money as possible. sure we could become a prem club but the elephant in the room is LR. i love LR, it's our home, has great atmosphere and all the history associated with it however it is a shit hole lol. when i went to coventry away last season it felt like i had just come from a mud hut in a third world country, the difference is night and day lol. if i were the owners and wanting to sell then getting a new stadium sorted out or at least the wheels in motion would be paramount for any sale tbh. Yes, the owners may well have a misplaced love of being football club owners, but fundamentally, they are businessmen. Any new stadium has to make commercial sense to them, and most options do not make any financial sense at all. If you look at the history, the Car Giant idea was grounded in the HS2 regeneration. They even bought property next to the depot to provide a bridge to the Car Giant area. They thought they could just take over the Car Giant land, whose owners could see similar value in remaining there. I think their tactics and approach was arrogant and misplaced. Then we have the long running saga of Linford Christie. The relationship with H&F has been dreadful. H&F not covered themselves in glory either, but it would seem that QPR wanted to build and own the community land and build a commercial enterprise for profit, probably with borrowed money from supporters. Fair enough, but that takes some persuasion given all the covenants and interested parties. Their biggest lever was that the existing stadium was costing the council money to maintain. But despite consultations and feasibility studies, it has never really got off the ground. I can never see it happening, it has way too many hurdles to climb. Then we have Warren Farm. Millions wasted, they were outsmarted by the locals, I do not blame our owners for anything other than flogging a dead horse for too long in Ealing, but when you have spent a lot of money, it is really hard to stop and pull the plug. Full marks for Heston, although it was achieved with a supporter's bond - as would any new stadium. But as others have said, any new stadium will have to include a mix of commercial, community and ecological solutions. And then still make money for our owners. That is a tough ask, and why I think that only discarded HS2 offers any real possibility. In the meantime, we have been told it is all about improving Loftus Road. We all love it, we love the atmosphere that can be generated, we love our memories there, our closeness to the action, how quaint it is compared to soulless new stadiums, the noise coming from Q, P & R blocks, Jude the cat and all that history (I was born in Queens Park), our bruised knees, our iron girders obstructing the view, the queues for the toilets, the catering, the time it takes to get out of Ellerslie Road, the dreadful parking, the West London traffic....oh hang on a minute, I think I lost my way there LOL
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Post by The General on Jun 12, 2024 10:39:24 GMT
I thought Ruben said at recent fans forum stadium ambition was more moderate then initial plans and they were looking at 25k Surely it’s cheaper to build a 25k stadium (if possible) on the site where you already own the land where the only cost is the build then having to spend money on new plot of land and the construction costs? Brentford, Luton and Bournemouth proving don’t need huge stadiums to be in prem so even 20k with decent facilities and corporate etc would do the job. Personally don’t think we need more than 25k max so anything more if that’s what fans are hoping for imo is just waste of economies of scales. Exactly this we already have the land build a 25k new stadium and shut the fuck up We are a small club 25k is perfect for us no land fees get support from council Truth is Westy that they want the LR land to build houses on mate
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Post by spongeparr on Jun 12, 2024 14:28:04 GMT
Just build it slightly higher not much a bit New stadium on the same footprint but higher Its not rocket science is it really New stadium 25k capacity Cant see why its such and issue Unless they don’t really want it hmmmm A few problems with it. One is height. We can't go higher due to the light for the houses. We can't go lower due to the watertable (I heard that anyway, no idea if true) but also, the lower you go, the less space there is. Our pitch is already as small as allowed. Lastly, the gradient of our stands wouldn't be approved if re built, so our ground would be smaller. I personally think 30k is about right. Gives us room for bigger events to be held and also means when we get the Prem, we can bring in more. a 30k stadium would only be around top 30 in size in England. Around 30k is pretty common (Forest, Derby, Coventry, Southampton etc all have aound 30 and thats without googling it. Only get 1 chance at a new stadium. I wouldnt want to waste it by having a lack of ambition of always thinking we'll sell what we sell now. Don't forget, many people dont turn up to LR due to facilities when full or due to the view. Attendances will naturally grow.
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