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Post by Stanley75 on Nov 13, 2022 12:21:21 GMT
So do we have the constraints of FFP or not then? Do we have to sell to buy or not? We know the owners have money but I thought the problem is they can’t spend it because the club doesn’t generate it - is this not the case? Different story if it’s down to scouting a bargain like Gyokeres.That's my point. Other clubs manage to achieve it within a restrictive budget, but we haven't. The Gyokeres example is one of many. I said during the match thread he was the difference between the two sides. Beale said same post-match, indirectly pushing Dykes under the bus. Shodipo and Bonne (for example) can be shifted in Jan. That can generate some funds too. But it's not that there's NO money available within FFP rules, just that's it's limited. And money has been found in other positions but the striker one (the massive elephant in the room) should have always been prioritised but never has. Why is that? |
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Post by sparks on Nov 13, 2022 12:29:53 GMT
The head of recruitment Belks has been at the club a long time, his previous striker choices before Warburton were underwhelming, would guess Dykes may have been a Warburton choice and Bonne a recruitment decision judging by how many games Bonne played.
The Eze transfer windfall looks to have been wasted bar Willock and Field.
I’ve never understood the praise that Belks and co received for spending around £12m.
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Post by Shania on Nov 13, 2022 14:18:56 GMT
So do we have the constraints of FFP or not then? Do we have to sell to buy or not? We know the owners have money but I thought the problem is they can’t spend it because the club doesn’t generate it - is this not the case? Different story if it’s down to scouting a bargain like Gyokeres.That's my point. Other clubs manage to achieve it within a restrictive budget, but we haven't. The Gyokeres example is one of many. As I said during the match thread, he was the difference between the two sides yesterday. Beale said same post-match, which indirectly pushed Dykes under the bus. Shodipo and Bonne (for example) can be shifted in Jan. That can generate some funds too. But it's not that there's NO money available within FFP rules, just that's it's limited. And money has been found in other positions but the striker one (the massive elephant in the room) should have always been prioritised but never has. Why is that? Even though Sir Les is a pull fator, It`s still a problem that QPR abroad is a club with a bad reputation, but with Beale in charge that will hopefully change now. |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Nov 13, 2022 15:05:39 GMT
Have we got a shit rep abroad? What for? We not been in Europe since partisan capitulation.
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Post by West Acton on Nov 13, 2022 17:42:50 GMT
What bad reputation?
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Nov 13, 2022 17:50:56 GMT
We have a fan that shags his cat rep |
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Post by jfrabbit on Nov 13, 2022 18:08:52 GMT
Our track record on strikers the last few years has been nothing short of pathetic.
Charlie Kelman
Paul Smyth
Lyndon Dykes
Conor Washington
Macaulay Bonne
Absolutely shit.
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Post by West Acton on Nov 13, 2022 18:12:16 GMT
Our track record on strikers the last few years has been nothing short of pathetic. Charlie Kelman Paul Smyth Lyndon Dykes Conor Washington Macaulay Bonne Absolutely shit. we only seem to get loan strikers right |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Nov 13, 2022 18:14:34 GMT
Even our shit aint great.
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Post by hal9thou on Nov 13, 2022 18:29:15 GMT
Our track record on strikers the last few years has been nothing short of pathetic. Charlie Kelman Paul Smyth Lyndon Dykes Conor Washington Macaulay Bonne Absolutely shit. All on Les' watch. Humiliating. |
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Post by acricketer on Nov 13, 2022 23:53:13 GMT
I think we have hit the heights for this season and hope we have enough to stay up. Our defence is a sieve, our midfield is a wet paper bag and our strikers are statues.
We are weak and outmuscled, we are taken for a ride with shithousery and are gutless in response. I can't see us scoring another goal this season unless the opposition kick the ball into their own net because they feel sorry for us.
We/Beale have been found out and we don't have the resources or desire to win.
Fuck them all.
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Post by West Acton on Nov 14, 2022 7:21:53 GMT
I don’t think things are as bleak as you think Cricks. Just like under the old manager just need find happy medium as for 2/3 seasons its either win or lose, we struggle to grind out draws. We can win ugly but aside from norwich, can’t recall that many gritty backs to the wall draws.
Break has come right time. Chance for Beale sit back assess himself and teams first 4months and where needed put in few tweaks and also spend next month getting everyone fit.
I’m sure Beale will still have good second half of season and we will be around top 6 as I’ve seen enough which says when we’re good we’re game for anyone in division.
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Post by jfrabbit on Nov 14, 2022 7:34:55 GMT
Fully agree with that Wests but a lot will depend on us getting a competent striker on board in January.
It’s been proven when Willock / Chair or both don’t turn up we rarely win. We can’t keep depending on midfielders to score goals that win us games.
Beale I’m sure knows this and will have to prize some money from the board to resolve this. He’s spent £0 so if he can’t get £2m+ out of them we really are in the shit.
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Nov 14, 2022 7:38:54 GMT
Fully agree with that Wests but a lot will depend on us getting a competent striker on board in January. It’s been proven when Willock / Chair or both don’t turn up we rarely win. We can’t keep depending on midfielders to score goals that win us games. Beale I’m sure knows this and will have to prize some money from the board to resolve this. He’s spent £0 so if he can’t get £2m+ out of them we really are in the shit. Jan the desperation window,where prices increase because mugs will pay them. Id be trying to do deal now behind scenes to conclude jan 1 |
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Post by Shania on Nov 14, 2022 8:27:01 GMT
I think we have hit the heights for this season and hope we have enough to stay up. Our defence is a sieve, our midfield is a wet paper bag and our strikers are statues. We are weak and outmuscled, we are taken for a ride with shithousery and are gutless in response. I can't see us scoring another goal this season unless the opposition kick the ball into their own net because they feel sorry for us. We/Beale have been found out and we don't have the resources or desire to win. Fuck them all. That could be true. We need a plan B and some new faces in our squad. We need at least a fullback, a midfielder like Ball and a striker coming in during the January window. |
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Post by Bill on Nov 14, 2022 9:22:59 GMT
I think we have hit the heights for this season and hope we have enough to stay up. Our defence is a sieve, our midfield is a wet paper bag and our strikers are statues. We are weak and outmuscled, we are taken for a ride with shithousery and are gutless in response. I can't see us scoring another goal this season unless the opposition kick the ball into their own net because they feel sorry for us. We/Beale have been found out and we don't have the resources or desire to win. Fuck them all. That could be true. We need a plan B and some new faces in our squad. We need at least a fullback, a midfielder like Ball and a striker coming in during the January window. We haven't got a plan A that alone a plan B. Transfer window this past summer plenty of time to get a couple of strikers so people said on here ! What did we get nothing in that department so we only have ourselves to blame. Go into a season with Dykes,Bonne and Armstrong is pathetic. Dykes and Bonne crap and Armstrong only a kid but has got more about him than Dykes and Bonne will ever have.Its criminal. I think Beale either fucks off or puts the rumours about going somewhere else to bed once and for all. Personally I think he just using us as a shop window. |
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Post by alanwycombe on Nov 14, 2022 9:50:48 GMT
That could be true. We need a plan B and some new faces in our squad. We need at least a fullback, a midfielder like Ball and a striker coming in during the January window. We haven't got a plan A that alone a plan B. Transfer window this past summer plenty of time to get a couple of strikers so people said on here ! What did we get nothing in that department so we only have ourselves to blame. Go into a season with Dykes,Bonne and Armstrong is pathetic. Dykes and Bonne crap and Armstrong only a kid but has got more about him than Dykes and Bonne will ever have.Its criminal. I think Beale either fucks off or puts the rumours about going somewhere else to bed once and for all. Personally I think he just using us as a shop window. He needs to dress the window first Bill. He’s done nothing so far so his ambition should benefit us in the short term - if he’s any good. |
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Post by Corbray on Nov 14, 2022 9:51:14 GMT
i'm certain we will find some money round the back of the couch to spend in jan. afaik we've comfortably complied with FFP for each of our last 3 seasons and besides, you're allowed to lose to what works out as 13m a season so we could in theory spend 39m in one year and lose nothing for the next 2 seasons and still comply.
i'd be very surprised if we didn't sign one or two game changing players in jan as i suspect beale was promised funds to stay, none of this "well we can spare 400k..." but rather a good chunk.
i do like us signing diamonds in the rough for sure but it does reach a point were you have to start signing better and better players to replace the ones you lose just like brentford did.
we already know that if need be we have some saleable assetts in the summer so why not make a bit of a push in jan?
bring in an established striker and this team would be rocking. heck, gyrokekodsybkhgshvd from coventry would suit our style brilliantly and is someone we could probably bring in for 4-5m.
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Post by alanwycombe on Nov 14, 2022 9:54:20 GMT
Exactly what I was saying last Jan. Bring someone in, if we got up job done money not a worry, if we missed out sell in summer.
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Post by croydoncaptainjack on Nov 14, 2022 12:26:23 GMT
I always thought we would be stronger the second half of the season (I am starting to wonder now admittedly)
If we had not been top briefly a few weeks ago and we had arrived at 7th position after this many games by not having this bad run I doubt anyone here would be unhappy.
It has literally all come undone the last three games as the performance at Norwich was excellent I thought.
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Nov 14, 2022 12:43:27 GMT
Are the board going to give him few mill when he probably fuck off to jockland end of season
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Post by West Acton on Nov 14, 2022 13:40:17 GMT
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Post by Timmy Doc on Nov 14, 2022 14:48:25 GMT
I always thought we would be stronger the second half of the season (I am starting to wonder now admittedly) If we had not been top briefly a few weeks ago and we had arrived at 7th position after this many games by not having this bad run I doubt anyone here would be unhappy. It has literally all come undone the last three games as the performance at Norwich was excellent I thought. On the other hand it was nice as showed this team had potential. But Beale need to stop the rot. If we fail to take at least 6 points from the next 5 games before the FA cup break, don't see it very reasonable to back Beale on the transfer market. |
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Post by shepherdsmush on Nov 14, 2022 17:21:08 GMT
Warbs did alright in the Jan window...hopefully Beale will get backed and we'll see a decent striker come in
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Post by hal9thou on Nov 14, 2022 21:36:50 GMT
I think we have hit the heights for this season and hope we have enough to stay up. That could be true. We need a plan B and some new faces in our squad. We need at least a fullback, a midfielder like Ball and a striker coming in during the January window. We haven't got a plan A that alone a plan B. Lads, lads. You're better than that. There are problems, but it really isn't that bad. I'd be the first to say so if it was. It's really simple. The squad is OKish but not strong enough to withstand key injuries - there is a plan A but injuries fucked that up - and plan B is compromised by the whole long running 9 saga. I'm more pissed off by boardroom policy than anything Mick has / hasn't done, because that is what dictates whats going on at LR, and we've been poor in the market place for a long long time. Hopefully a few hard lessons will have been learned by everyone at the club. No investment = stasis, at best. That's just reality. Yes, Mick has a lot to learn, but I dont think any manager is going to walk in here under this regime and do very much better. |
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Post by alanwycombe on Nov 14, 2022 22:55:36 GMT
Warbs did alright in the Jan window...hopefully Beale will get backed and we'll see a decent striker come in What, last Jan Mush? Hendrick? |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Nov 15, 2022 7:48:15 GMT
Beale like a dog on heat, hanging it’s arse over its bed for every dog to sniff
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Post by alanwycombe on Nov 15, 2022 8:57:16 GMT
Jan will be interesting. I’d love to know how we were sold to him. Don’t forget his comment at the training ground meeting back in August when he said “it’s not quite what it said in the brochure”. Plus his recent comment about Coventry having a striker. I reckon he’s looking for backing.
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Post by Stanley75 on Nov 15, 2022 9:22:26 GMT
Jan will be interesting. I’d love to know how we were sold to him. Don’t forget his comment at the training ground meeting back in August when he said “it’s not quite what it said in the brochure”. Plus his recent comment about Coventry having a striker. I reckon he’s looking for backing. Might explain why Wolves drama was used as leverage for stronger bargaining position with board. |
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Post by Corbray on Nov 15, 2022 9:32:22 GMT
Jan will be interesting. I’d love to know how we were sold to him. Don’t forget his comment at the training ground meeting back in August when he said “it’s not quite what it said in the brochure”. Plus his recent comment about Coventry having a striker. I reckon he’s looking for backing. Might explain why Wolves drama was used as leverage for stronger bargaining position with board. thats what i think has happened tbh. he's obviously an ambitious manager and i think he has integrity and honesty about him too. he wants to get a promotion on his CV but he can't do that with dykes up top, heck, i don't think a management team of SAF and guardiola could pull that off. he must have been promised funds in january otherwise why would he turn down wolves? i think keeping wolves up is an easier task than getting us promoted tbh. i can certainly see us splash out on a proven striker in january. even if we don't get promoted it won't be a huge financial blow as we could just sell chair or willock in the summer for big bucks and be right on track to meet FFP again. |
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