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Post by alanwycombe on Dec 3, 2022 15:50:55 GMT
No, I think you’re using hindsight. At the time people thought his interviews and answers were honest and informative. The only way anything was about ‘him’ was his (supposed) commitment to the project at the training ground and integrating players from all levels.
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Post by alanwycombe on Dec 3, 2022 15:52:36 GMT
Besides, if you’re the manager it has to be about you and what you can do. That’s what you’re there for. No good if you’re not even confident in your own ability.
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Post by West Acton on Dec 3, 2022 16:07:46 GMT
No, I think you’re using hindsight. At the time people thought his interviews and answers were honest and informative. The only way anything was about ‘him’ was his (supposed) commitment to the project at the training ground and integrating players from all levels. no I’m not using hindsight it was my gut feeling at the time. |
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Post by West Acton on Dec 3, 2022 16:09:20 GMT
Besides, if you’re the manager it has to be about you and what you can do. That’s what you’re there for. No good if you’re not even confident in your own ability. fine line between arrogance and self confidence |
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Post by Corbray on Dec 3, 2022 16:13:39 GMT
tbh i was one of the people blowing smoke up his ass and i stand by most of what i said. he will (unfortunately) be a very good manager one day but idk if he'll prove that at rangers.
he's still a huge cunt and the only way i'll ever forgive him is if he somehow becomes england manager and wins a trophy
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Post by West Acton on Dec 3, 2022 16:18:42 GMT
He might not get the chance be good manager if this don’t go right. I’m hoping it’s his last opportunity
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Post by Corbray on Dec 3, 2022 18:04:25 GMT
He might not get the chance be good manager if this don’t go right. I’m hoping it’s his last opportunity thats what i'm hoping for lol. i feel like the job of getting promoted here within 2-3 years with an already established side and saleable assets is far easier than the rangers job were they will be demanding at least a trophy every year and a title win within 2. plus rangers are still in a bit of a transition phase whereas you could argue that we only need a bit of tinkering. the job here is far less demanding, no one was calling for the eels head on the back of a 5 game winless run against mostly fodder teams but if the same happens in scotland he'll be off. hopefully he does a terrible job up there and is sacked in february or something. i'm in scotland for the new year and will be watching the old firm game on the 2nd with the in laws. heres hoping celtic put 5 passed rangers and the eels wart is ripped off by a stray ball. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Dec 3, 2022 18:31:18 GMT
Reading Alan and West's latest debate above with interest.
My take is a more phlegmatic one: It is perfectly possible to be a very good coach and have a flawed character. Eel is probably an example of this; that is to say just because he has a flawed character does not automatically make him a poor coach. QPR fans now can't wait for him to fail at Rangers because of the reprehensible way he treated our club. But that doesn't mean he will if he and Rangers prove to a better fit. Wolves and (it seems) Stoke courted him too for similar reasons to GR.
The laws of karma dictate that he will fail there or further along his career path, if you believe in such laws. Or that he will carve out a successful coaching career but have misfortune in some other aspect of his life, be it personal or professional.
So just because QPR fans are now desperate for him to fail there it doesn't follow that he will, in the same way many managers before Eel were not particularly NICE people and yet proved to be highly successful in their managerial careers.
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Post by The General on Dec 3, 2022 18:33:17 GMT
tbh i was one of the people blowing smoke up his ass and i stand by most of what i said. he will (unfortunately) be a very good manager one day but idk if he'll prove that at rangers. he's still a huge cunt and the only way i'll ever forgive him is if he somehow becomes england manager and wins a trophy Tbf i got slated because i didnt fancy him Whilst everone was wanking about him |
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Post by alanwycombe on Dec 4, 2022 8:22:20 GMT
Besides, if you’re the manager it has to be about you and what you can do. That’s what you’re there for. No good if you’re not even confident in your own ability. fine line between arrogance and self confidence He’s entitled to be arrogant or self-confident whichever you think. He might be a cunt but he seems to know what he’s doing with a group of players. You can’t ignore the fact that until ‘Wolves’ he had delivered for QPR - we were at the top against all expectations, and looking that we might stay there. There was optimism. I’m not excusing his conduct, lack of respect and integrity in any way but I’m no fan of rewriting history after the event in any walk of life. |
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Post by West Acton on Dec 4, 2022 8:42:35 GMT
fine line between arrogance and self confidence You can’t ignore the fact that until ‘Wolves’ he had delivered for QPR - we were at the top against all expectations, and looking that we might stay there. There was optimism. I’m not excusing his conduct, lack of respect and integrity in any way but I’m no fan of rewriting history after the event in any walk of life. yes I do deny that Al. He had done a good job no more no less and as I’ve said imo he was getting praise and credit beyond what he earned or deserved. You have rewritten history in posts above suggesting it’s beale who had us playing quick and scoring goals like it had not happened the three seasons before when it did. Plenty dud games before wolves speculation too. Imo people so keen to prove they were right calling for Warburton out they promoted this cunt way above his actual station. Might be wrong but that’s my thoughts. Also went undefeated 3 out 4 games after wolves speculation so again myth fell apart from that point. Zero progress under him he’s left us as he found us, possibly given him credit he left us with slightly stronger squad but if Tim or Laird go due to his exit we’re weaker. I’m not going be two faced and say he’s shit as he was not but same time I’m not going give him credit he never earned. He goes down in the same bracket as Dowie and Magiilton done ok in short period and could have been interesting if they hung around longer. |
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Post by Timmy Doc on Dec 4, 2022 9:13:03 GMT
Any chance we could stop talking about Mick Eel and move on now lads and lasses, I'm heartily sick of the subject!! Beale effect?  |
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Post by 2Loftus on Dec 4, 2022 9:40:32 GMT
There’s only one Jamie Mackie…
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Post by West Acton on Dec 4, 2022 9:46:39 GMT
Not Mackies biggest fan but well done for sharing views
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Post by hubble on Dec 4, 2022 9:48:47 GMT
Any chance we could stop talking about Mick Eel and move on now lads and lasses, I'm heartily sick of the subject!! Beale effect?
TIMMY!!!!!! I am trying to avoid this bloody thread!!!!
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Post by alanwycombe on Dec 4, 2022 10:10:29 GMT
You can’t ignore the fact that until ‘Wolves’ he had delivered for QPR - we were at the top against all expectations, and looking that we might stay there. There was optimism. I’m not excusing his conduct, lack of respect and integrity in any way but I’m no fan of rewriting history after the event in any walk of life. yes I do deny that Al. He had done a good job no more no less and as I’ve said imo he was getting praise and credit beyond what he earned or deserved. You have rewritten history in posts above suggesting it’s beale who had us playing quick and scoring goals like it had not happened the three seasons before when it did. Plenty dud games before wolves speculation too. Imo people so keen to prove they were right calling for Warburton out they promoted this cunt way above his actual station. Might be wrong but that’s my thoughts. Also went undefeated 3 out 4 games after wolves speculation so again myth fell apart from that point. Zero progress under him he’s left us as he found us, possibly given him credit he left us with slightly stronger squad but if Tim or Laird go due to his exit we’re weaker. I’m not going be two faced and say he’s shit as he was not but same time I’m not going give him credit he never earned. He goes down in the same bracket as Dowie and Magiilton done ok in short period and could have been interesting if they hung around longer. But he did it when half the squad was injured. That gets forgotten. |
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Dec 4, 2022 22:29:12 GMT
yes I do deny that Al. He had done a good job no more no less and as I’ve said imo he was getting praise and credit beyond what he earned or deserved. You have rewritten history in posts above suggesting it’s beale who had us playing quick and scoring goals like it had not happened the three seasons before when it did. Plenty dud games before wolves speculation too. Imo people so keen to prove they were right calling for Warburton out they promoted this cunt way above his actual station. Might be wrong but that’s my thoughts. Also went undefeated 3 out 4 games after wolves speculation so again myth fell apart from that point. Zero progress under him he’s left us as he found us, possibly given him credit he left us with slightly stronger squad but if Tim or Laird go due to his exit we’re weaker. I’m not going be two faced and say he’s shit as he was not but same time I’m not going give him credit he never earned. He goes down in the same bracket as Dowie and Magiilton done ok in short period and could have been interesting if they hung around longer. But he did it when half the squad was injured. That gets forgotten. True, but Warbs also had half the squad injured. That also gets forgotten. Players get injured. We have a small squad. So how well can you do with what's available? That's the test at a club like ours. We looked good at times under Beale, no question. But I also sat through two or three of the worst home games in years under him. He did OK, nothing more. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2022 12:01:47 GMT
Dont want to be too negative for my first post on this forum
however i could never take to Beale couldnt put my finger on why i didnt take to him
talks a great game although for me he really liked the sound of his own voice dont get me wrong he definatley knew what he was talking about and spoke great sense
for me was over confident too soon
i also didnt like how he came in and made Clarke-Salter his first choice centre back when we already had a great pair of centre backs in Jimmy Dunne and Rob Dickie.
now i know what i couldnt put my finger on he was a snake that thinks hes bigger than our club i know one thing that ego of his is bigger than the whole club and the fanbase that have followed us for eternity
i just feel sorry for the likes of Clarke-Salter, Paal, Laird etc etc.....
been sold down the river them lot
wouldn't be surprised to see Clarke Salter end up at Glasgow "were bigger than Londons" Rangers and to be fair i would wave him off with a big smile on my face
for me now since the Wolves Debacle im just glad Beale and his annoying wart on his face have left the building.
dislike him more than Redknapp
Edit: my actual thoughts on him at the begining of his time at QPR an over confident PE teacher with a nice flabby middrift if he cant get rid of that middrift and hes in a sporting proffessional enviroment how will he get the respect from his players?
i really hope and pray he fails miserably at Rangers because if he does it will be very hard for him to get a proper gig like ours again in the future
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Post by West Acton on Dec 6, 2022 12:23:31 GMT
Dont want to be too negative for my first post on this forum however i could never take to Beale couldnt put my finger on why i didnt take to him talks a great game although for me he really liked the sound of his own voice dont get me wrong he definatley knew what he was talking about and spoke great sense for me was over confident too soon i also didnt like how he came in and made Clarke-Salter his first choice centre back when we already had a great pair of centre backs in Jimmy Dunne and Rob Dickie. now i know what i couldnt put my finger on he was a snake that thinks hes bigger than our club i know one thing that ego of his is bigger than the whole club and the fanbase that have followed us for eternity i just feel sorry for the likes of Clarke-Salter, Paal, Laird etc etc..... been sold down the river them lot wouldn't be surprised to see Clarke Salter end up at Glasgow "were bigger than Londons" Rangers and to be fair i would wave him off with a big smile on my face for me now since the Wolves Debacle im just glad Beale and his annoying wart on his face have left the building. dislike him more than Redknapp Edit: my actual thoughts on him at the begining of his time at QPR an over confident PE teacher with a nice flabby middrift if he cant get rid of that middrift and hes in a sporting proffessional enviroment how will he get the respect from his players? i really hope and pray he fails miserably at Rangers because if he does it will be very hard for him to get a proper gig like ours again in the future good first post and replicates my first thoughts. There was just something that smelt from the off. Hard to put finger on it at time but clear now |
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Post by 2Loftus on Dec 6, 2022 12:39:07 GMT
Dont want to be too negative for my first post...
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Dec 6, 2022 12:41:20 GMT
Ellers needs to update his name, as stand has moved on🫣
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2022 12:43:54 GMT
will always be the ellerslie stand to me
wish they re named the loft after the legend that used to be called Ellerslie.
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Post by hubble on Dec 6, 2022 12:47:45 GMT
will always be the ellerslie stand to me wish they re named the loft after the legend that used to be called Ellerslie.
Always be the Ellerslie to me too mate, welcome to the board!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2022 12:49:08 GMT
Gracias
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Post by alanwycombe on Dec 6, 2022 13:59:13 GMT
Dont want to be too negative for my first post on this forum however i could never take to Beale couldnt put my finger on why i didnt take to him talks a great game although for me he really liked the sound of his own voice dont get me wrong he definatley knew what he was talking about and spoke great sense for me was over confident too soon i also didnt like how he came in and made Clarke-Salter his first choice centre back when we already had a great pair of centre backs in Jimmy Dunne and Rob Dickie. now i know what i couldnt put my finger on he was a snake that thinks hes bigger than our club i know one thing that ego of his is bigger than the whole club and the fanbase that have followed us for eternity i just feel sorry for the likes of Clarke-Salter, Paal, Laird etc etc..... been sold down the river them lot wouldn't be surprised to see Clarke Salter end up at Glasgow "were bigger than Londons" Rangers and to be fair i would wave him off with a big smile on my face for me now since the Wolves Debacle im just glad Beale and his annoying wart on his face have left the building. dislike him more than Redknapp Edit: my actual thoughts on him at the begining of his time at QPR an over confident PE teacher with a nice flabby middrift if he cant get rid of that middrift and hes in a sporting proffessional enviroment how will he get the respect from his players? i really hope and pray he fails miserably at Rangers because if he does it will be very hard for him to get a proper gig like ours again in the future JCS great signing. Dickie well over rated. If JCS does go to Rangers it’ll have to be for very good money I hope. Can’t have Beale pulling our pants down twice in quick succession. |
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Post by Bill on Dec 6, 2022 14:13:08 GMT
Jcs just another sick note
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2022 15:09:23 GMT
Jcs just another sick note Totally agree |
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Dec 6, 2022 15:22:49 GMT
Dont want to be too negative for my first post on this forum however i could never take to Beale couldnt put my finger on why i didnt take to him talks a great game although for me he really liked the sound of his own voice dont get me wrong he definatley knew what he was talking about and spoke great sense for me was over confident too soon i also didnt like how he came in and made Clarke-Salter his first choice centre back when we already had a great pair of centre backs in Jimmy Dunne and Rob Dickie. now i know what i couldnt put my finger on he was a snake that thinks hes bigger than our club i know one thing that ego of his is bigger than the whole club and the fanbase that have followed us for eternity i just feel sorry for the likes of Clarke-Salter, Paal, Laird etc etc..... been sold down the river them lot wouldn't be surprised to see Clarke Salter end up at Glasgow "were bigger than Londons" Rangers and to be fair i would wave him off with a big smile on my face for me now since the Wolves Debacle im just glad Beale and his annoying wart on his face have left the building. dislike him more than Redknapp Edit: my actual thoughts on him at the begining of his time at QPR an over confident PE teacher with a nice flabby middrift if he cant get rid of that middrift and hes in a sporting proffessional enviroment how will he get the respect from his players? i really hope and pray he fails miserably at Rangers because if he does it will be very hard for him to get a proper gig like ours again in the future JCS great signing. Dickie well over rated. If JCS does go to Rangers it’ll have to be for very good money I hope. Can’t have Beale pulling our pants down twice in quick succession. Annoying thing is though I imagine it has been discussed internally what our valuations of players are - he will know the pinch points on price, he will have the mobile telephone numbers of our players (not that Mr Integrity would ever speak through back channels, of course) and he is an all round cunt |
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Post by alanwycombe on Dec 6, 2022 16:04:21 GMT
JCS great signing. Dickie well over rated. If JCS does go to Rangers it’ll have to be for very good money I hope. Can’t have Beale pulling our pants down twice in quick succession. Annoying thing is though I imagine it has been discussed internally what our valuations of players are - he will know the pinch points on price, he will have the mobile telephone numbers of our players (not that Mr Integrity would ever speak through back channels, of course) and he is an all round cunt Yep, “and everyone is for sale” - LF on many occasions. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2022 16:24:09 GMT
and he is an all round cunt Yep, “and everyone is for sale” - LF on many occasions. hear hear well said that man i just cant believe what a shit show hes managed to make of himself in this very brief time from almost being an unknown to becoming a first team manager of a decent club (us) to being an untrustful out of shape wasteman with delusions of grandure for me the Wolves job is better than the Rangers job and if he failed at Wolves he wouldnt have done himself this much harm. ive a feeling in the 6 months hes been involved hes almost already ruined his career only thing that will save him is winning the scottish premier league and even then he will only go on and do a Gerrard and mess up a team like Everton then be back to square 1 and looking at trying to get back into football via a club like Charlton? lets bleedin hope so |
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