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Post by sparks on Jul 12, 2022 9:15:05 GMT
Don’t think there’s one fan on here that are content with either Dykes or Bonne, but where’s the money coming from if both strikers are still here ?
Im not surprised MB wants another MF player because I have big reservations that SJ has the legs to play a high press game.
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Post by sparks on Jul 12, 2022 11:34:49 GMT
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Post by croydoncaptainjack on Jul 12, 2022 13:49:49 GMT
I am not so much content as relaxed that it will get resolved.
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Post by Tarbie on Jul 12, 2022 15:39:58 GMT
I am not so much content as relaxed that it will get resolved. My thoughts too mate. In comparison to some other sides in the division we are actually doing our business quite early. I really don't think there is anything to worry about. |
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Jul 13, 2022 12:52:33 GMT
I am not so much content as relaxed that it will get resolved. My thoughts too mate. In comparison to some other sides in the division we are actually doing our business quite early. I really don't think there is anything to worry about. Think that depends what the target is this season. As we are I think we have more than enough to stay up. If we are serious about the play offs we would certainly need a signifiant striker upgrade. Hopefully we are targeting one and Beale just gave an incomplete answer. |
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Post by Tarbie on Jul 13, 2022 16:42:40 GMT
Stains, do you reckon a significant striker upgrade is viable?
The cost of proven goal scorers is a big problem given we are probably operating on quite a limited budget. I think we are going to be limited to loans and players with a point to prove. And we've got at least 2 of the latter already in the squad.
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Post by Corbray on Jul 13, 2022 16:59:58 GMT
Stains, do you reckon a significant striker upgrade is viable? The cost of proven goal scorers is big problem given we are probably operating on quite a limited budget. I think we are going to be limited to loans and players with a point to prove. And we've got at least 2 of the latter already in the squad. i'd be happy with a workhorse type striker personally. everyone wants a 20 goal a season player to hang their hat on of course but i feel that with the attacking players we have that we don't actually need an out and out goal scorer. willock and chair are both capable of getting 10+ goals a season, hopefully roberts can too but many teams don't even have an almighty goalscorer up top. liverpool with firminho a few years back, drogba at chelsea and even cantona weren't 20 goal a season players but they worked their asses off and lead the line extremely well by drawing players to them and freeing up space for others. if we had a striker who could do that then it'd be a godsend imo. someone a few weeks ago mentioned our sylla as someone who'd excel in this team and i'm inclined to agree. obviously sylla is well passed it now but someone like that would be great imo. |
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Jul 13, 2022 17:07:25 GMT
Stains, do you reckon a significant striker upgrade is viable? The cost of proven goal scorers is big problem given we are probably operating on quite a limited budget. I think we are going to be limited to loans and players with a point to prove. And we've got at least 2 of the latter already in the squad. Agree we don’t have the funds to sign one permanently unless we get very lucky with someone good out of contract. A loan like Archer from Villa should be realistic, although Beale said in his LFWs interview some Prem clubs were demanding a million pound fees to grant season long loans! Re the two we have already we know their plus points but also their limitations. Some fans (not me) were screaming every week last season that our strikers were not good enough and that was with Gray and Austin. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Jul 13, 2022 17:18:02 GMT
Re the two we have already we know their plus points but also their limitations. Which two? There's more than two but you keep ignoring that for some reason? Have mentioned it in about 3 posts now mate. |
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Post by Shania on Jul 13, 2022 17:30:55 GMT
We have five players++ who can score now actually. I`m not used that kind of thinking, but when goals can come from Willock,Chair,Bonne,Dykes,Kelman?, Armstrong and Phillips there are many attacking minded bodies to share the burden that scoring enough goals is. Just a thought.
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Post by Stanley75 on Jul 13, 2022 17:33:55 GMT
We have five players++ who can score now actually. I`m not used that kind of thinking, but when goals can come from Willock,Chair,Bonne,Dykes,Kelman?, Armstrong and Phillips there are many attacking minded bodies to share the burden that scoring enough goals is. Just a thought. Exactly. And who's to say more won't be signed. |
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Jul 13, 2022 20:30:06 GMT
Re the two we have already we know their plus points but also their limitations. Which two? There's more than two but you keep ignoring that for some reason? Have mentioned it in about 3 posts now mate. Apologies mate was not deliberately ignoring you point. I meant Dyche and Bonne, to me they are the only out and out senior strikers we have. Appreciate your point about the new lad but as I understand it he has played much more as a number 10 and hasn’t set the world alight in terms of goals (might be an excellent player but will he prove a goal scorer?). Kelman has shown very little to me to suggest he can step up to Championship level. Armstrong might prove himself - hope he does - but he is a completely unknown quantity at this level. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Jul 13, 2022 20:45:56 GMT
Which two? There's more than two but you keep ignoring that for some reason? Have mentioned it in about 3 posts now mate. Apologies mate was not deliberately ignoring you point. I meant Dyche and Bonne, to me they are the only out and out senior strikers we have. Appreciate your point about the new lad but as I understand it he has played much more as a number 10 and hasn’t set the world alight in terms of goals (might be an excellent player but will he prove a goal scorer?). Kelman has shown very little to me to suggest he can step up to Championship level. Armstrong might prove himself - hope he does - but he is a completely unknown quantity at this level. That makes sense, but think we have to add Willock and Chair into that equation as can expect goals from them too, particularly in MB's new system. As has been discussed it looks unlikely we have the budget to land a proven goalscorer, so the hope is the goals will be spread out a bit (which seems to be Beale's plan). Rumours abound too about another striker incoming over the past couple of days. |
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Post by 1qprdk on Jul 13, 2022 20:49:16 GMT
Kelman looked quite handy in the friendly today, and scored a goal mysteriously overruled for offside, even though there was a defender on the goal line. Couple of good passes to Bonne, who should have scored from one of them with a free header.
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Post by Stanley75 on Jul 13, 2022 20:56:18 GMT
Kelman looked quite handy in the friendly today, and scored a goal mysteriously overruled for offside, even though there was a defender on the goal line. Indeed. Honestly think it's a tabula rasa for the entire squad whenever you get a new manager with a wholly different approach - and that obviously includes our entire front line (squad players too), which is why I'd much rather reserve judgement on them all until we've seen how they fare under the new gaffer and system. |
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Jul 13, 2022 20:56:29 GMT
Apologies mate was not deliberately ignoring you point. I meant Dyche and Bonne, to me they are the only out and out senior strikers we have. Appreciate your point about the new lad but as I understand it he has played much more as a number 10 and hasn’t set the world alight in terms of goals (might be an excellent player but will he prove a goal scorer?). Kelman has shown very little to me to suggest he can step up to Championship level. Armstrong might prove himself - hope he does - but he is a completely unknown quantity at this level. That makes sense, but think we have to add Willock and Chair into that equation as can expect goals from them too, particularly in MB's new system. As has been discussed it looks unlikely we have the budget to land a proven goalscorer, so the hope is the goals will be spread out a bit. Rumours abound too about another striker incoming over the past couple of days. Hadn’t heard about another striker potentially inbound which could obvs change the picture massively. Great news if true. I get the argument about the goals being spread about but we got the best part of 10 goals from Chair and Willock last season, gray and Charlie also chipped in with a fair few. I think by spreading the goals around as you suggest we can get to 50/60 goals and maybe that is a respectable number for a team aiming for mid table. But in his LFW interview the new manager strongly implied he is aiming higher than that (even mentioned briefly automatic promotion). Personally think that’s probably beyond us this season but if we are talking play offs we prob need more like 70/80 goals and I just can’t see the current squad getting near that. Very happy to be proved wrong |
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Post by Tarbie on Jul 13, 2022 20:57:01 GMT
Kelman looked quite handy in the friendly today, and scored a goal mysteriously overruled for offside, even though there was a defender on the goal line. Couple of good passes to Bonne, who should have scored from one of them with a free header. That's Bonne all over though, isn't it? |
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Post by Stanley75 on Jul 13, 2022 21:07:04 GMT
That makes sense, but think we have to add Willock and Chair into that equation as can expect goals from them too, particularly in MB's new system. As has been discussed it looks unlikely we have the budget to land a proven goalscorer, so the hope is the goals will be spread out a bit. Rumours abound too about another striker incoming over the past couple of days. Hadn’t heard about another striker potentially inbound which could obvs change the picture massively. Great news if true. I get the argument about the goals being spread about but we got the best part of 10 goals from Chair and Willock last season, gray and Charlie also chipped in with a fair few. I think by spreading the goals around as you suggest we can get to 50/60 goals and maybe that is a respectable number for a team aiming for mid table. But in his LFW interview the new manager strongly implied he is aiming higher than that (even mentioned briefly automatic promotion). Personally think that’s probably beyond us this season but if we are talking play offs we prob need more like 70/80 goals and I just can’t see the current squad getting near that. Very happy to be proved wrong Willock and Chair if used right and play to their best, potentially have 15-20 goals between them. Roberts looks promising and a bit of a wild card, as is Armstrong. But yes it all remains to be seen... |
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Post by sparks on Jul 13, 2022 21:13:11 GMT
To his credit I would have to say Bonne looks the more likely to score than Dykes, although he may need 2 or 3 opportunities to do so he just finds space better.
He looks more suited to MB preferred 433 imo.
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Post by Stanley75 on Jul 22, 2022 16:26:17 GMT
With all these decent midfielders I wonder if he will play Willock as a loan striker with Chair, Richards and Roberts but behind? I can't see that going by his interviews. He seems to favour 4-3-2-1 with Willock and Chair as the floating two behind the front man, but imagine it'll be very fluid. |
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Jul 22, 2022 16:38:00 GMT
With all these decent midfielders I wonder if he will play Willock as a loan striker with Chair, Richards and Roberts but behind? He seems to favour 4-3-2-1 with Willock and Chair as the floating two behind the front man, but imagine it'll be very fluid. Can't see Willock as the furthest forward though. You might be right but just thinking our best players are by and large midfielders now: Willock and Chair the best, but also Field, Stef and Amos plus now Richards and Roberts. That’s not even including Dozzell or Uncle. Assuming Willock, Chair, Field and Stef are prob more or less guaranteed starters, where do the others fit? Maybe Roberts as the striker but he hasn’t got a great scoring record? At least it’s shaping into a nice problem to have, striker aside… |
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Post by Stanley75 on Jul 22, 2022 16:43:11 GMT
Maybe Roberts as the striker but he hasn’t got a great scoring record? At least it’s shaping into a nice problem to have, striker aside… With Dykes, Bonne and Armstrong all having a good pre-season, and Roberts to return, it's looking like we at least have some options now. You can't rule out another striker signing either. |
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Post by Corbray on Jul 22, 2022 16:56:33 GMT
tbh i don't know whether we need a striker. bonne has done very well in preseason, dykes is always an option plus we have roberts who can play up top and armstrong who'll hopefully get a few games this year. if we were to get a striker in i'd prefer it be a plan B type striker ala matt smith who we can bring on if we're hunting for a goal or to help defend set pieces.
i'd rather we focused all out on a RB personally.
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Jul 22, 2022 17:04:54 GMT
tbh i don't know whether we need a striker. bonne has done very well in preseason, dykes is always an option plus we have roberts who can play up top and armstrong who'll hopefully get a few games this year. if we were to get a striker in i'd prefer it be a plan B type striker ala matt smith who we can bring on if we're hunting for a goal or to help defend set pieces. i'd rather we focused all out on a RB personally. Interesting. Last season pretty well everyone was crying out for a striker and since then we have lost Gray and Austin. Bonne has looked sharp pre season in clips I've seen but he tends to have long goal droughts. Not sure we have anyone in our squad who has ever scored more than say 11 to 13 odd goals a season? When we had Dykes and Bonne fighting for a place we were looking like relegation candidates. Sure we have midfielders now who should take on some of the goal-scoring strain but nothing like enough for a play off push in my view. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Jul 22, 2022 17:11:32 GMT
tbh i don't know whether we need a striker. bonne has done very well in preseason, dykes is always an option plus we have roberts who can play up top and armstrong who'll hopefully get a few games this year. if we were to get a striker in i'd prefer it be a plan B type striker ala matt smith who we can bring on if we're hunting for a goal or to help defend set pieces. i'd rather we focused all out on a RB personally. Interesting. Last season pretty well everyone was crying out for a striker and since then we have lost Gray and Austin. Bonne has looked sharp pre season in clips I've seen but he tends to have long goal droughts. Not sure we have anyone in our squad who has ever scored more than say 11 to 13 odd goals a season? When we had Dykes and Bonne fighting for a place we were looking like relegation candidates. Sure we have midfielders now who should take on some of the goal-scoring strain but nothing like enough for a play off push in my view. Different manager, different system now though Rod and most of the strikers currently looking good in pre-season. So not really comparing the situation to last season at the moment. Too many unknowns too at the stage. One thing for sure is it will be interesting to watch it all develop. As I say: With Dykes, Bonne and Armstrong all having a good pre-season, and Roberts to return, it's looking like we at least have some options now. You can't rule out another striker signing either. |
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Post by Tarbie on Jul 22, 2022 17:11:45 GMT
I don't know why, but I just have a feeling this Manager is gonna get a better performance out of a lot of the players that disappointed last season.
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Post by Corbray on Jul 22, 2022 18:28:48 GMT
tbh i don't know whether we need a striker. bonne has done very well in preseason, dykes is always an option plus we have roberts who can play up top and armstrong who'll hopefully get a few games this year. if we were to get a striker in i'd prefer it be a plan B type striker ala matt smith who we can bring on if we're hunting for a goal or to help defend set pieces. i'd rather we focused all out on a RB personally. Interesting. Last season pretty well everyone was crying out for a striker and since then we have lost Gray and Austin. Bonne has looked sharp pre season in clips I've seen but he tends to have long goal droughts. Not sure we have anyone in our squad who has ever scored more than say 11 to 13 odd goals a season? When we had Dykes and Bonne fighting for a place we were looking like relegation candidates. Sure we have midfielders now who should take on some of the goal-scoring strain but nothing like enough for a play off push in my view. i think we have a very strong chance of making a playoff push tbh, the only real 'blow' we've had is losing barbet but we have made a like for like replacement, on paper anyway! its only preseason but we look like a completely different team with different players to boot. we're overloading into the final third, dozzell is pushing much higher up the pitch whilst field is playing a completely different role - one he looks very good in and arguebly is playing as our lynchpin. stef is sitting further back which means he doesn't have to run around as much and is instead playing to his strengths which is organizing the team and spraying passes about, almost like the wilkins role. with our setup we don't exactly need a 20 goal a season striker imo. sure it'd be handy to have one but by the looks of it our strikers are there to cause havoc by drawing out defenders, leading the line and freeing up space for our AM's and wing backs to get into better positions. |
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Post by West Acton on Jul 23, 2022 7:21:46 GMT
I think we won’t see another striker in and they will use money they have in other areas.
Think personally they will get to January with Dykes, Bonne and Armstrong as 3rd striker. And to mix it up they might use Leeds fella
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Post by Bill on Jul 23, 2022 9:01:57 GMT
A lot depends on Mr Gerrard,Archer or Davis on loan,Kelman going out on loan,Sinclair from the bench.
If we have real ambition
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Post by West Acton on Jul 23, 2022 10:44:36 GMT
A lot depends on Mr Gerrard,Archer or Davis on loan,Kelman going out on loan,Sinclair from the bench. If we have real ambition I would be happy with one of them Bill would defo improve us up top |
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