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Post by hal9thou on Jul 23, 2022 11:56:41 GMT
Interesting. Last season pretty well everyone was crying out for a striker and since then we have lost Gray and Austin. Bonne has looked sharp pre season in clips I've seen but he tends to have long goal droughts. Not sure we have anyone in our squad who has ever scored more than say 11 to 13 odd goals a season? When we had Dykes and Bonne fighting for a place we were looking like relegation candidates. Sure we have midfielders now who should take on some of the goal-scoring strain but nothing like enough for a play off push in my view. i think we have a very strong chance of making a playoff push tbh, the only real 'blow' we've had is losing barbet but we have made a like for like replacement, on paper anyway! its only preseason but we look like a completely different team with different players to boot. we're overloading into the final third, dozzell is pushing much higher up the pitch whilst field is playing a completely different role - one he looks very good in and arguebly is playing as our lynchpin. stef is sitting further back which means he doesn't have to run around as much and is instead playing to his strengths which is organizing the team and spraying passes about, almost like the wilkins role. with our setup we don't exactly need a 20 goal a season striker imo. sure it'd be handy to have one but by the looks of it our strikers are there to cause havoc by drawing out defenders, leading the line and freeing up space for our AM's and wing backs to get into better positions. We don't have a proven goalscorer at this level, no one has a good enough mpg ratio to qualify. It's that simple. Relying on the two ten thing puts a huge premium on our AMFs. That's the gamble. Fair enough, but I really wouldn't read too much into the pre season goal tally. |
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Post by Tarbie on Jul 23, 2022 12:14:23 GMT
Never been the glass half full type to be fair though, have you Hal? 🤣
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Post by Stanley75 on Jul 23, 2022 12:15:20 GMT
i think we have a very strong chance of making a playoff push tbh, the only real 'blow' we've had is losing barbet but we have made a like for like replacement, on paper anyway! its only preseason but we look like a completely different team with different players to boot. we're overloading into the final third, dozzell is pushing much higher up the pitch whilst field is playing a completely different role - one he looks very good in and arguebly is playing as our lynchpin. stef is sitting further back which means he doesn't have to run around as much and is instead playing to his strengths which is organizing the team and spraying passes about, almost like the wilkins role. with our setup we don't exactly need a 20 goal a season striker imo. sure it'd be handy to have one but by the looks of it our strikers are there to cause havoc by drawing out defenders, leading the line and freeing up space for our AM's and wing backs to get into better positions. Relying on the two ten thing puts a huge premium on our AMFs. That's the gamble. Fair enough, but I really wouldn't read too much into the pre season goal tally. But what's the alternative if we can't afford one? |
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Jul 23, 2022 12:30:54 GMT
We don't have a proven goalscorer at this level, no one has a good enough mpg ratio to qualify. It's that simple. Relying on the two ten thing puts a huge premium on our AMFs. That's the gamble. Fair enough, but I really wouldn't read too much into the pre season goal tally. But what's the alternative if we can't afford one? That’s absolutely fair enough. As you say, we can’t spend what we don’t have. But IF we don’t bring in a striker as a fan base we should in my view keep expectations modest. Last time we were relying on Bonne and Lyndon up top we were staring very much down the wrong end of the table. |
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Post by Bill on Jul 23, 2022 14:21:14 GMT
We don't have a proven goalscorer at this level, no one has a good enough mpg ratio to qualify. It's that simple. Relying on the two ten thing puts a huge premium on our AMFs. That's the gamble. Fair enough, but I really wouldn't read too much into the pre season goal tally. But what's the alternative if we can't afford one? We missed out last season by not addressing this. If what has been stated is true targeting 22/23 for promotion we need an Archer or Davis type to really try to realise our stated ambition. Dykes,Bonne etc will not fire us to promotion based on previous performances imo. We have to hit the ground running. |
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Post by jfrabbit on Jul 23, 2022 16:27:51 GMT
On todays showing we are bang in trouble up front.
Can’t rely on kids never mind Bonne who don’t wanna be here and the useless tattooed wanker.
I’d even think about getting Lewis Grabban on a free for experience and he gets goals.
This is gonna be a grim season.
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Post by Bill on Jul 23, 2022 16:52:33 GMT
We don't have a proven goalscorer at this level, no one has a good enough mpg ratio to qualify. It's that simple. Relying on the two ten thing puts a huge premium on our AMFs. That's the gamble. Fair enough, but I really wouldn't read too much into the pre season goal tally. But what's the alternative if we can't afford one? That's the conundrum keep finances sound but get the best striker available. That is down to the board ! Will they roll the dice,they need to imo if ambition is alive and well? |
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Post by Corbray on Jul 23, 2022 17:02:31 GMT
On todays showing we are bang in trouble up front. Can’t rely on kids never mind Bonne who don’t wanna be here and the useless tattooed wanker. I’d even think about getting Lewis Grabban on a free for experience and he gets goals. This is gonna be a grim season. lets be fair here, palace have some very good defensive players. guehi is an england international, tomkins a premier league stalwart, doucoure a very good CDM and riddeweld and schlupp both have tonnes of energy. it was never gunna be a breeze in the park but it was a good test for us. |
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Post by Bill on Jul 23, 2022 17:09:43 GMT
On todays showing we are bang in trouble up front. Can’t rely on kids never mind Bonne who don’t wanna be here and the useless tattooed wanker. I’d even think about getting Lewis Grabban on a free for experience and he gets goals. This is gonna be a grim season. lets be fair here, palace have some very good defensive players. guehi is an england international, tomkins a premier league stalwart, doucoure a very good CDM and riddeweld and schlupp both have tonnes of energy. it was never gunna be a breeze in the park but it was a good test for us. Looking the video for the goals there is a lot of work to be done !! |
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Post by Shania on Jul 23, 2022 17:20:23 GMT
On todays showing we are bang in trouble up front. Can’t rely on kids never mind Bonne who don’t wanna be here and the useless tattooed wanker. I’d even think about getting Lewis Grabban on a free for experience and he gets goals. This is gonna be a grim season. Just my opinion, but on today`s showing alone they hardly got a sniff. Our midfield played far too negative. Chair failed to release the ball in to many situations where he should picked a pass. Not saying I`m not pleased to have him in the team, but it was a bit back to square one on that front. |
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Post by Shania on Jul 23, 2022 17:34:39 GMT
lets be fair here, palace have some very good defensive players. guehi is an england international, tomkins a premier league stalwart, doucoure a very good CDM and riddeweld and schlupp both have tonnes of energy. it was never gunna be a breeze in the park but it was a good test for us. Looking the video for the goals there is a lot of work to be done !! Bill, that`s a good point (pint)  |
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Jul 23, 2022 17:49:56 GMT
The result - and performance going forward - should hopefully serve as some much needed realism of where we are at.m, albeit against some very good players in the Palace side
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Post by Tarbie on Jul 23, 2022 17:57:32 GMT
Not concerned about the result. Palace are probably just about a top half Prem side these days.
I am concerned about a couple of positions on the pitch. Need a right back and full back cover. Might need another creative option in midfield. Not sure either Johanson or Dozzell are gonna cut the mustard. Up front, I want to be positive, but every single player we've got up there is a bit of a roll of the dice.
I don't think we have the money to solve all of these problems. Right back needs to come in this week though.
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Post by The General on Jul 23, 2022 20:00:10 GMT
On todays showing we are bang in trouble up front. Can’t rely on kids never mind Bonne who don’t wanna be here and the useless tattooed wanker. I’d even think about getting Lewis Grabban on a free for experience and he gets goals. This is gonna be a grim season. Great at least someone else has woken up We are lightweight with very average strikers We also ship goals in defence You guys should listen to me as i am normally Bang on with most predictions we are weak Im telling you no where near last year Too many kids in the team |
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Post by Stanley75 on Jul 23, 2022 20:48:16 GMT
“I’m trying to strengthen EVERYWHERE”
- Mick Beale, post-game today.
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Post by The General on Jul 23, 2022 20:54:27 GMT
“I’m trying to strengthen EVERYWHERE”- Mick Beale, post-game today. Well he needs to fucking hurry up Season starts next week Blackburn away |
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Post by Stanley75 on Jul 23, 2022 21:07:11 GMT
Patience grasshopper
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Post by Bill on Jul 23, 2022 21:16:38 GMT
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Post by acricketer on Jul 23, 2022 23:01:36 GMT
We've been saying "FFS we need strikers" since WATRB days.
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Post by Ginger Ninja on Jul 24, 2022 0:26:15 GMT
“I’m trying to strengthen EVERYWHERE”- Mick Beale, post-game today. Well he needs to fucking hurry up Season starts next week Blackburn away Yeah cool, we'll just click our fingers and he'll have unlimited funds to buy everyone and FFP won't matter. Jesus man, you're going on like the bloke is doing nothing. |
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Post by Bill on Jul 24, 2022 8:01:45 GMT
If your short on funds what do you do.
Look at ways to raise some.
Naming rights to stadium,sponsors for each stand etc.
I am not a marketing or advertising exec but try to be innovative,not sit on your arses and do nothing.
Advertising at training ground it's on the flight path to LHR.
Every little helps
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Post by Greg1882 on Jul 24, 2022 9:40:11 GMT
“I’m trying to strengthen EVERYWHERE”- Mick Beale, post-game today. Well he needs to fucking hurry up Season starts next week Blackburn away Is there anything about the 4 signings you’ve seen in your clearly expert opinion that suggests the club aren’t trying to improve the squad? Everyone gets a clean slate with a new manager. We are going to have to wait for a striker to late in the window but it’s not like we’ve got no one to play up top is it? The hysteria every year is so over the top |
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Post by awin on Jul 24, 2022 9:40:25 GMT
If your short on funds what do you do. Look at ways to raise some. Naming rights to stadium,sponsors for each stand etc. I am not a marketing or advertising exec but try to be innovative,not sit on your arses and do nothing. Advertising at training ground it's on the flight path to LHR. Every little helps People buying season tickets and not boycotting. People attending games, these are the way to help the clubs finances. |
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Post by Bill on Jul 24, 2022 9:53:01 GMT
Looking the video for the goals there is a lot of work to be done !! Bill, that`s a good point (pint) I see I 🤔 |
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Post by Bill on Jul 24, 2022 9:54:59 GMT
If your short on funds what do you do. Look at ways to raise some. Naming rights to stadium,sponsors for each stand etc. I am not a marketing or advertising exec but try to be innovative,not sit on your arses and do nothing. Advertising at training ground it's on the flight path to LHR. Every little helps People buying season tickets and not boycotting. People attending games, these are the way to help the clubs finances. That's small change compared to sponsorship deals.Also depends on your own financial situation in these difficult times But every little helps Also sky rearranging the fixture list has to be considered if you work unsocial hours |
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Post by hal9thou on Jul 24, 2022 11:26:39 GMT
Well he needs to fucking hurry up Season starts next week Blackburn away Is there anything about the 4 signings you’ve seen in your clearly expert opinion that suggests the club aren’t trying to improve the squad? Everyone gets a clean slate with a new manager. We are going to have to wait for a striker to late in the window but it’s not like we’ve got no one to play up top is it? The hysteria every year is so over the top Unfortunately we have poor form as a club when it comes to strikers. Washington, Dykes, Kelman, Bonne, signing AMF / utility 10s aint going to paper over the cracks and we've all known this for months. It doesn't matter when you go in the window if you can't identify problem areas in the first place. All the above mentioned should have been moved on ages ago and replaced. |
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Post by hal9thou on Jul 24, 2022 11:33:40 GMT
Well he needs to fucking hurry up Season starts next week Blackburn away Yeah cool, we'll just click our fingers and he'll have unlimited funds to buy everyone and FFP won't matter. Jesus man, you're going on like the bloke is doing nothing. He is doing good things, but his utility striker strategy is a massive punt (as previously discussed). FFP doesn't come into this because some of the money we've spent could have been targeted at a striker along with axeing the dead wood up front. |
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Post by Ginger Ninja on Jul 24, 2022 13:37:44 GMT
Yeah cool, we'll just click our fingers and he'll have unlimited funds to buy everyone and FFP won't matter. Jesus man, you're going on like the bloke is doing nothing. He is doing good things, but his utility striker strategy is a massive punt (as previously discussed). FFP doesn't come into this because some of the money we've spent could have been targeted at a striker along with axeing the dead wood up front. But this is the thing Hal, we axe the deadwood up front and we barely have enough for one decent Championship striker (not even a quality one) and we have less cover. Striker is the hardest position to fill without spending big, which is something we just can't do. Some xant seem to accept that. |
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Post by Bill on Jul 24, 2022 14:13:06 GMT
He is doing good things, but his utility striker strategy is a massive punt (as previously discussed). FFP doesn't come into this because some of the money we've spent could have been targeted at a striker along with axeing the dead wood up front. But this is the thing Hal, we axe the deadwood up front and we barely have enough for one decent Championship striker (not even a quality one) and we have less cover. Striker is the hardest position to fill without spending big, which is something we just can't do. Some xant seem to accept that. So we all accept midtable fine. It's about money but it's also about finance,ambition prudence and ability to negotiate in the market,loan or buying. As Hal said our track record upfront is poor to say the least. |
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Post by hal9thou on Jul 24, 2022 14:18:21 GMT
He is doing good things, but his utility striker strategy is a massive punt (as previously discussed). FFP doesn't come into this because some of the money we've spent could have been targeted at a striker along with axeing the dead wood up front. But this is the thing Hal, we axe the deadwood up front and we barely have enough for one decent Championship striker (not even a quality one) and we have less cover. Striker is the hardest position to fill without spending big, which is something we just can't do. Some xant seem to accept that. Totally get that but there was the option to get a striker in way before MB took up the reins. We ended up with Jeff Hendrick. Since then we have spent money but again not been looking at no9s. During this period other clubs at our level have picked up goalscorers for relatively low money, eg Joel Piroe who went to Swansea for 1m a year ago and ended up with 21 goals. We paid twice that for Dykes. I just wish someone could explain why we have this massive blind spot re strikers. |
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