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Post by Brian Wilson on Apr 24, 2020 16:21:56 GMT
If you write off the 6m as a transfer fee then it's not that bad. Wages were ridiculous but at least not 120k a week like the fat Brazilian who was badly out of shape and taking the piss.
It shows how bad our signings were when Joey actually looks OK value in comparison.
His head isn't right though and he won't make it as a top level manager. Nowhere near as smart as he thinks he is.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2020 18:00:19 GMT
Brian. We got him on a free transfer as Newcastle wanted rid as he was a high earner there so why on earth did our board think that giving him a 6 million signing on fee was warranted. Cesar and Green were also a total waste of money as neither went for a fee when they left the club.
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Post by Brian Wilson on Apr 24, 2020 18:23:51 GMT
Brian. We got him on a free transfer as Newcastle wanted rid as he was a high earner there so why on earth did our board think that giving him a 6 million signing on fee was warranted. Cesar and Green were also a total waste of money as neither went for a fee when they left the club. I thought he forced through the free transfer though making it difficult for Newcastle. In that interview, he mentions Newcastle wanting a 4 million fee. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2020 18:27:35 GMT
Brian. We got him on a free transfer as Newcastle wanted rid as he was a high earner there so why on earth did our board think that giving him a 6 million signing on fee was warranted. Cesar and Green were also a total waste of money as neither went for a fee when they left the club. I thought he forced through the free transfer though making it difficult for Newcastle. In that interview, he mentions Newcastle wanting a 4 million fee. Maybe at one point but sure he went on a free to get him off the books. |
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Post by esoxlucius on Apr 24, 2020 18:57:11 GMT
I would have everyone of them back before even giving Barton an interview for a ob he would never get. He is a psychopathic thug and a bully. The jail time should give that away, let alone the reasons for the jail time. It might be stereotyping, but he is the sort of ankle that only appeals to those who think part of football is hooliganism at games. I would honestly walk away from football if he was ever given a job at QPR. He is a detestable piece of excrement and a disgrace to professional football. Protesting a tad too much there Esox... It's interesting that you blame him but don't mention the people who actually bought him to LR. They seem exempt from your critique....
Yes, CW did run around to little purpose but Joey could play a bit as well. He did more in that promotion season than CW did in his entire QPR career.
For all the bad boy shite that's gone down a, it's worth remembering that he was the only pro footballer who stood up to be counted on the Stonewall issue. Everyone else at that point was in the dark ages.
He is the only person that if I read he had been killed in an RTA or something I would be happy because then there would never be a chance of him darkening our doorstep again. A thug, a bully, a psychopathic narcissist, a jail bird. I DO struggle with the knowledge that he was bought by the club and the only mitigation I can think of is that neither Beard nor Fernandes had a fucking scooby about either him or football in general. I was told by our ex fitness coach that during a particularly poor performance by him he went on the attack against Bobby Zamora who had missed a chance in the first half to deflect any criticism of him Soon after that incident came the Zamora quote that he would rather be fishing than playing football. How many free kicks did he waste possession on? how many Hollywood passes went straight to the opposition? He wasn't even as good as M'Bia and certainly nowhere near as good as Granero, I would rather have Pascal Chimbonda in the side. A complete fantasist who tried to convince us that Clint Hill told him to do it at the Etihad and it was a complete fabrication. The following season he had to spend in France on our penny because he couldn't control himself and there are still people who want to defend him? He is still awaiting the outcome of a case of assault on an opposition manger which left Stendal bleeding with broken teeth. Since the self publicity he got during the Stonewall campaign, what has he actually done since for the LGBTQ+ community? As for everyone else being in the dark ages, I am going to choose to ignore it as the arrant nonsense you probably realise that it is now. As I said before, only a violence loving twat would think he would be a good fit for QPR. He alienated so many players during that time it is no wonder that players were in and out like yo-yo's and as for admitting he went to the board with the object of getting Hughes sacked, that is just the sort person any decent club like QPR can do without. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2020 19:10:46 GMT
Protesting a tad too much there Esox... It's interesting that you blame him but don't mention the people who actually bought him to LR. They seem exempt from your critique....
Yes, CW did run around to little purpose but Joey could play a bit as well. He did more in that promotion season than CW did in his entire QPR career.
For all the bad boy shite that's gone down a, it's worth remembering that he was the only pro footballer who stood up to be counted on the Stonewall issue. Everyone else at that point was in the dark ages.
He is the only person that if I read he had been killed in an RTA or something I would be happy because then there would never be a chance of him darkening our doorstep again. A thug, a bully, a psychopathic narcissist, a jail bird. I DO struggle with the knowledge that he was bought by the club and the only mitigation I can think of is that neither Beard nor Fernandes had a fucking scooby about either him or football in general. I was told by our ex fitness coach that during a particularly poor performance by him he went on the attack against Bobby Zamora who had missed a chance in the first half to deflect any criticism of him Soon after that incident came the Zamora quote that he would rather be fishing than playing football. How many free kicks did he waste possession on? how many Hollywood passes went straight to the opposition? He wasn't even as good as M'Bia and certainly nowhere near as good as Granero, I would rather have Pascal Chimbonda in the side. A complete fantasist who tried to convince us that Clint Hill told him to do it at the Etihad and it was a complete fabrication. The following season he had to spend in France on our penny because he couldn't control himself and there are still people who want to defend him? He is still awaiting the outcome of a case of assault on an opposition manger which left Stendal bleeding with broken teeth. Since the self publicity he got during the Stonewall campaign, what has he actually done since for the LGBTQ+ community? As for everyone else being in the dark ages, I am going to choose to ignore it as the arrant nonsense you probably realise that it is now. As I said before, only a violence loving twat would think he would be a good fit for QPR. He alienated so many players during that time it is no wonder that players were in and out like yo-yo's and as for admitting he went to the board with the object of getting Hughes sacked, that is just the sort person any decent club like QPR can do without. Very strong opinion. How did you feel when we signed him? |
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Post by Bill on Apr 24, 2020 19:11:11 GMT
Disagree wholeheartedly that statement about the RTA is uncalled for and is out of order imo
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Post by esoxlucius on Apr 24, 2020 19:22:58 GMT
He is the only person that if I read he had been killed in an RTA or something I would be happy because then there would never be a chance of him darkening our doorstep again. A thug, a bully, a psychopathic narcissist, a jail bird. I DO struggle with the knowledge that he was bought by the club and the only mitigation I can think of is that neither Beard nor Fernandes had a fucking scooby about either him or football in general. I was told by our ex fitness coach that during a particularly poor performance by him he went on the attack against Bobby Zamora who had missed a chance in the first half to deflect any criticism of him Soon after that incident came the Zamora quote that he would rather be fishing than playing football. How many free kicks did he waste possession on? how many Hollywood passes went straight to the opposition? He wasn't even as good as M'Bia and certainly nowhere near as good as Granero, I would rather have Pascal Chimbonda in the side. A complete fantasist who tried to convince us that Clint Hill told him to do it at the Etihad and it was a complete fabrication. The following season he had to spend in France on our penny because he couldn't control himself and there are still people who want to defend him? He is still awaiting the outcome of a case of assault on an opposition manger which left Stendal bleeding with broken teeth. Since the self publicity he got during the Stonewall campaign, what has he actually done since for the LGBTQ+ community? As for everyone else being in the dark ages, I am going to choose to ignore it as the arrant nonsense you probably realise that it is now. As I said before, only a violence loving twat would think he would be a good fit for QPR. He alienated so many players during that time it is no wonder that players were in and out like yo-yo's and as for admitting he went to the board with the object of getting Hughes sacked, that is just the sort person any decent club like QPR can do without. Very strong opinion. How did you feel when we signed him? Loudly against it on a number of platforms but got shouted down all the time. I had very few who agreed with me back then but looking at Clives site this afternoon it would appear that my opprobrium towards him seems to be shared by a hell of a lot more fans now. Incidentally, Robith on that site published this and it confirms what I thought about his contribution to the side in the few games he played during his contract. "In that first season in the Prem, Barton's pass completion rate was 75%. The only midfielder with a worse completion rate was Kieron Dyer, who didn't make any. EDIT: This is actually quite interesting In the season he played in the Championship, the only midfielder with a worse completion rate was Matty Phillips, which is understandable as a winger has to play more riskier passes. Back in the Prem, the only mids below him were Phillips again, and Sandro. Barton has 73.2% and Sandro 73.1% Our central midfield gave the ball away 27% of the time. No wonder we sank like a stone" |
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Post by esoxlucius on Apr 24, 2020 19:24:22 GMT
Disagree wholeheartedly that statement about the RTA is uncalled for and is out of order imo OK, how about I would be happier if he had died rather than my cousin? |
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Very strong opinion. How did you feel when we signed him? Loudly against it on a number of platforms but got shouted down all the time. I had very few who agreed with me back then but looking at Clives site this afternoon it would appear that my opprobrium towards him seems to be shared by a hell of a lot more fans now. Incidentally, Robith on that site published this and it confirms what I thought about his contribution to the side in the few games he played during his contract. "In that first season in the Prem, Barton's pass completion rate was 75%. The only midfielder with a worse completion rate was Kieron Dyer, who didn't make any. EDIT: This is actually quite interesting In the season he played in the Championship, the only midfielder with a worse completion rate was Matty Phillips, which is understandable as a winger has to play more riskier passes. Back in the Prem, the only mids below him were Phillips again, and Sandro. Barton has 73.2% and Sandro 73.1% Our central midfield gave the ball away 27% of the time. No wonder we sank like a stone" Play off semi v Wigan he led the team well and was key in gettibg us to Wembley. Then at Wembley he played well alongside Henry after O'Neill got sent off. Not the greatest player we had but certainly not the worst. You mentioned Mbia on an earlier post and seemed to like him? Well I watched him fake an injury at Posh in pre season to get subbed and was not long after on his bike so imagine that kind of character in the championship? |
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Post by esoxlucius on Apr 24, 2020 22:26:50 GMT
Loudly against it on a number of platforms but got shouted down all the time. I had very few who agreed with me back then but looking at Clives site this afternoon it would appear that my opprobrium towards him seems to be shared by a hell of a lot more fans now. Incidentally, Robith on that site published this and it confirms what I thought about his contribution to the side in the few games he played during his contract. "In that first season in the Prem, Barton's pass completion rate was 75%. The only midfielder with a worse completion rate was Kieron Dyer, who didn't make any. EDIT: This is actually quite interesting In the season he played in the Championship, the only midfielder with a worse completion rate was Matty Phillips, which is understandable as a winger has to play more riskier passes. Back in the Prem, the only mids below him were Phillips again, and Sandro. Barton has 73.2% and Sandro 73.1% Our central midfield gave the ball away 27% of the time. No wonder we sank like a stone" Play off semi v Wigan he led the team well and was key in getting us to Wembley. Then at Wembley he played well alongside Henry after O'Neill got sent off. Not the greatest player we had but certainly not the worst. You mentioned Mbia on an earlier post and seemed to like him? Well I watched him fake an injury at Posh in pre season to get subbed and was not long after on his bike so imagine that kind of character in the championship? Yeah, and I think there was a game during his years at QPR where one of his long passes went to one of our players too. Worth every penny eh? You remember M'Bia faking an injury and Barton gets a free ride despite all the shit he did whilst with us? Sounds balanced. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2020 22:44:20 GMT
Play off semi v Wigan he led the team well and was key in getting us to Wembley. Then at Wembley he played well alongside Henry after O'Neill got sent off. Not the greatest player we had but certainly not the worst. You mentioned Mbia on an earlier post and seemed to like him? Well I watched him fake an injury at Posh in pre season to get subbed and was not long after on his bike so imagine that kind of character in the championship? Yeah, and I think there was a game during his years at QPR where one of his long passes went to one of our players too. Worth every penny eh? You remember M'Bia faking an injury and Barton gets a free ride despite all the shit he did whilst with us? Sounds balanced. No free ride Esox as I said not the best or worst. Was not fussed either way about him the player and did not think he was worth the chase and wage paid to him. Remember we only got him because Parker left West Ham for Spurs. Unfortunately our recruitment was a bit like buying clothes from TK Maxx Great names on paper but shit product after purchasing! We had 18 months of it which will take us 18 years to fix. |
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Post by esoxlucius on Apr 24, 2020 23:18:57 GMT
Can't argue with that. I would also suggest that the full extent of the effect he had on the club during his time with us and, as you pointed out, the years need to get things back on track again would definitely put him in the category of the worst signing ever made at QPR.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2020 23:54:46 GMT
Can't argue with that. I would also suggest that the full extent of the effect he had on the club during his time with us and, as you pointed out, the years need to get things back on track again would definitely put him in the category of the worst signing ever made at QPR. Worse than Cesar? Boswingwa? Luke Young? Andy Johnson? Hoilett? SWP? Park? We never never made a penny on any of the signings from 2011 to 2013 all left for free or at a loss. Says everything you need to know about our chairman at that time. |
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Post by esoxlucius on Apr 25, 2020 9:22:59 GMT
Can't argue with that. I would also suggest that the full extent of the effect he had on the club during his time with us and, as you pointed out, the years need to get things back on track again would definitely put him in the category of the worst signing ever made at QPR. Worse than Cesar? Bosingwa? Luke Young? Andy Johnson? Hoilett? SWP? Park? We never never made a penny on any of the signings from 2011 to 2013 all left for free or at a loss. Says everything you need to know about our chairman at that time. Definitely! Luke Young & Park were terrible signings but they weren't a cancer within like Barton was. If anyone on here saw Bosingwa make his debut up at The Hawthorns then you would have agreed with most up there on that day that we had signed a world class defender, he was a huge victim of the spin put on his locking himself in the dressing room after demanding to see Redknapp as to why he had been dropped and Redknapp told him to fuck off, something he also did to Traore and one other player who I never did get to find out who but suspect it was SW-P. Bosingwa was another of the mercenaries that turned up during that period but at least he was a decent footballer, as demonstrated in his last game for us against Newcastle. I don't remember fans being upset at Cesar or Andy Johnson playing for us until near the end when all the players were being turned on, same with Hoilett, Phillips. Granero etc. SW-P was just a waste of money as he never looked like he could be arsed, an unforgivable trait in a footballer, in the same way Trevor Sinclair did whilst he was trying to force a move to WHU. Even the one slike Chevanton & Chimbonda were better signings as they played very little part in the destruction of QPR. If Barton hadn't been a footballer the only he would have ever been in the public eye would have been in court reports. I really don't get how fans, especially those who have watched since the old third division days and should understand what QPR means as a football club could have nothing but disdain, at a minimum, for Joey Barton and his time at the club. |
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Post by Bill on Apr 25, 2020 9:40:42 GMT
Disagree wholeheartedly that statement about the RTA is uncalled for and is out of order imo OK, how about I would be happier if he had died rather than my cousin? Why would you wish someone dead who in you opinion was a bad egg? Yet on a thread a while back you were defending peoples human rights like the scum that killed Soldier Rigby For example. I really dont get that at all as the two do not equate in anyway. |
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Post by Rangers77 on Apr 25, 2020 10:08:25 GMT
Far from demonstrating what a great footballer he was against Newcastle, Boswinga was so shit he showed he wasn't bothered, gave away two goals, was booed by the crowd and substituted. In the first half. I enjoyed booing him. Rubbish player for us and a boring person.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2020 10:24:20 GMT
Esox. While it is your opinion on Boswinga I cannot see how he was World Class? For me he was a money grabbing tosser who left a champions league winning team to fleece us for what he could.
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Post by esoxlucius on Apr 25, 2020 10:43:55 GMT
Far from demonstrating what a great footballer he was against Newcastle, Boswinga was so shit he showed he wasn't bothered, gave away two goals, was booed by the crowd and substituted. In the first half. I enjoyed booing him. Rubbish player for us and a boring person. The pass back to Green that Green panicked and kicked straight back to Bosingwa who was already under pressure so he sent it back to Green? That goal was all down to Rob. The booing from the home fans encouraged The Mags to pressure Bosingwa throughout the game and were getting away with kicking him up in the air. Late in the second half he was flipped up in the air but as he landed he looked up stopped the ball dead as he was getting up and pinged a ball 50m or more on to Zamora's toes as he was running into space. yes, he had given up on QPR due to the treatment he was given what sort of manager plays two players (Bos & M'Bia) just so they can be booed by the fans, who fell for it hook line & sinker. A despicable act by Redknapp and epitomised just how he felt about QPR and it's fans. A manager who never once called QPR his team, always Mr Fernandes' team or the players. He and Barton are well matched as the detritus that dragged QPR into the mire. |
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Post by esoxlucius on Apr 25, 2020 10:48:56 GMT
Esox. While it is your opinion on Boswinga I cannot see how he was World Class? For me he was a money grabbing tosser who left a champions league winning team to fleece us for what he could. In both his debut and his final game for us he showed flashes of just what he was capable of. Perhaps if had had Mark Warburton (or similar) as a manager at the time he may have been remembered as one of the best RB's QPR have ever had. We are talking here about a manager who to my certain knowledge told three players to fuck off when they wanted to talk about their place at the club, totally misused the talents of Vargas & Isla, as well as a few others, brought a kid on to show how bereft of players he was against Ipswich and when the kid scored the wiiner he was never played again. Do you seriously think that Bosingwa and all the other scapegoats from that black period were the problem at QPR.? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2020 10:56:05 GMT
Esox. While it is your opinion on Boswinga I cannot see how he was World Class? For me he was a money grabbing tosser who left a champions league winning team to fleece us for what he could. In both his debut and his final game for us he showed flashes of just what he was capable of. Perhaps if had had Mark Warburton (or similar) as a manager at the time he may have been remembered as one of the best RB's QPR have ever had. We are talking here about a manager who to my certain knowledge told three players to fuck off when they wanted to talk about their place at the club, totally misused the talents of Vargas & Isla, as well as a few others, brought a kid on to show how bereft of players he was against Ipswich and when the kid scored the wiiner he was never played again. Do you seriously think that Bosingwa and all the other scapegoats from that black period were the problem at QPR.? One of the best right back's ever? Yes he was part of the culture that was rotten and Hughes who brought him in along with Fernandes are the creators of it. Boswingwa and the rest were merely playing the game set up from above |
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Post by Rangers77 on Apr 25, 2020 11:00:36 GMT
Far from demonstrating what a great footballer he was against Newcastle, Boswinga was so shit he showed he wasn't bothered, gave away two goals, was booed by the crowd and substituted. In the first half. I enjoyed booing him. Rubbish player for us and a boring person. The pass back to Green that Green panicked and kicked straight back to Bosingwa who was already under pressure so he sent it back to Green? That goal was all down to Rob. The booing from the home fans encouraged The Mags to pressure Bosingwa throughout the game and were getting away with kicking him up in the air. Late in the second half he was flipped up in the air but as he landed he looked up stopped the ball dead as he was getting up and pinged a ball 50m or more on to Zamora's toes as he was running into space. yes, he had given up on QPR due to the treatment he was given what sort of manager plays two players (Bos & M'Bia) just so they can be booed by the fans, who fell for it hook line & sinker. A despicable act by Redknapp and epitomised just how he felt about QPR and it's fans. A manager who never once called QPR his team, always Mr Fernandes' team or the players. He and Barton are well matched as the detritus that dragged QPR into the mire. Funny how he performed that wondrous feat in the second half when he was rightly pulled off at half time for helping concede two shit goals. An absolutely shite player for us whom it was a pleasure to boo that day. I booed Joey against Liverpool, he came back and, with others, helped pick up that team to get the home wins to keep us up. Your pal did nothing for us except take money for nothing but rubbish in return. |
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Post by Rangers77 on Apr 25, 2020 11:01:56 GMT
In both his debut and his final game for us he showed flashes of just what he was capable of. Perhaps if had had Mark Warburton (or similar) as a manager at the time he may have been remembered as one of the best RB's QPR have ever had. We are talking here about a manager who to my certain knowledge told three players to fuck off when they wanted to talk about their place at the club, totally misused the talents of Vargas & Isla, as well as a few others, brought a kid on to show how bereft of players he was against Ipswich and when the kid scored the wiiner he was never played again. Do you seriously think that Bosingwa and all the other scapegoats from that black period were the problem at QPR.? One of the best right back's ever? Yes he was part of the culture that was rotten and Hughes who brought him in along with Fernandes are the creators of it. Boswingwa and the rest were merely playing the game set up from above Martyn Rogers was a better RB for the Rs..... |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2020 11:42:27 GMT
If he was as good as you say why did he leave the European Champions to come to QPR and why were the top clubs in Europe not after him? Agree with 77 in that he was shite for us and would say his best game at LR was for Chelsea when he was sent off.
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Post by esoxlucius on Apr 25, 2020 11:49:05 GMT
All about opinions, I blame the manager for most of what happened to the team during that period. Players joining us just for the money and then encountering an absolute shambles of a club. Do you ever wonder why so many top class footballers looked like shite once they arrived at QPR? I know it wasn't because they weren't good footballers as so many left and went on to better things in winning teams. M'Bia won two successive European cups at Seville in the two seasons after he left us, Vargas was Golden Boot winner in the Copa Americana just after he left us. I am sure there will be more.
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Post by 72bus on Apr 25, 2020 11:56:51 GMT
Used to work with a liverpudlian called u got it scouse .... Loads of Barton's where he came from all known wrong uns drinking and fighting and that's just the women... I'm glad the rednapps , Hughes , boswingas and Barton's have left our club now all took us for a ride.. even that disrespectful prick Remy pictured in a Chelsea shirt when he was still a rangers player
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Post by esoxlucius on Apr 25, 2020 12:01:34 GMT
Used to work with a liverpudlian called u got it scouse .... Loads of Barton's where he came from all known wrong uns drinking and fighting and that's just the women... I'm glad the rednapps , Hughes , boswingas and Barton's have left our club now all took us for a ride.. even that disrespectful prick Remy pictured in a Chelsea shirt when he was still a rangers player Does this mean he won't be available for the play offs?  |
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Post by Brian Wilson on Apr 25, 2020 12:09:56 GMT
M'Bia won two successive European cups at Seville in the two seasons after he left us That one really surprised me. Couldn't stand that fucking grinning idiot when he played for us. |
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Post by Rangers77 on Apr 25, 2020 12:12:21 GMT
All about opinions, I blame the manager for most of what happened to the team during that period. Players joining us just for the money and then encountering an absolute shambles of a club. Do you ever wonder why so many top class footballers looked like shite once they arrived at QPR? I know it wasn't because they weren't good footballers as so many left and went on to better things in winning teams. M'Bia won two successive European cups at Seville in the two seasons after he left us, Vargas was Golden Boot winner in the Copa Americana just after he left us. I am sure there will be more. br] Plural. Yes. And the incompetence of the Board and Beard. We can all agree on that. However shit it was, it was still quite a ride..... Lol. |
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