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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2020 12:20:45 GMT
All about opinions, I blame the manager for most of what happened to the team during that period. Players joining us just for the money and then encountering an absolute shambles of a club. Do you ever wonder why so many top class footballers looked like shite once they arrived at QPR? I know it wasn't because they weren't good footballers as so many left and went on to better things in winning teams. M'Bia won two successive European cups at Seville in the two seasons after he left us, Vargas was Golden Boot winner in the Copa Americana just after he left us. I am sure there will be more. Hughes was the biggest cunt during that dark period of our history with Fernandes steering the ship into oblivion. What clib gets a 55k a week keeper in only to replace him after 1 game with a 100k a week keeper both who were no better than the guy they replaced. |
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Post by Rangers77 on Apr 25, 2020 12:22:00 GMT
M'Bia won two successive European cups at Seville in the two seasons after he left us That one really surprised me. Couldn't stand that fucking grinning idiot when he played for us. Remember he used to come running over to give his jersey to someone at the end of each home game? Once, we'd been stuffed and he'd been shite, he came trotting over to my part of the Ellerslie and, like a madman, I took off my winter coat and violently twirled it over my head screaming, 'Come get this, you f@&king useless c£&t''. Spying me, he quickly retreated. The coat had a red lining. Football does funny things to you. Lol. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2020 12:27:54 GMT
That one really surprised me. Couldn't stand that fucking grinning idiot when he played for us. Remember he used to come running over to give his jersey to someone at the end of each home game? Once, we'd been stuffed and he'd been shite, he came trotting over to my part of the Ellerslie and, like a madman, I took off my winter coat and violently twirled it over my head screaming, 'Come get this, you f@&king useless c£&t''. Spying me, he quickly retreated. The coat had a red lining. Football does funny things to you. Lol. Thought he was signing for Glasgow Rangers if not mistaken. Never rated him in a Rangers shirt even though he did well at Sevilla after. |
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Post by esoxlucius on Apr 25, 2020 12:44:12 GMT
Remember he used to come running over to give his jersey to someone at the end of each home game? Once, we'd been stuffed and he'd been shite, he came trotting over to my part of the Ellerslie and, like a madman, I took off my winter coat and violently twirled it over my head screaming, 'Come get this, you f@&king useless c£&t''. Spying me, he quickly retreated. The coat had a red lining. Football does funny things to you. Lol. Thought he was signing for Glasgow Rangers if not mistaken. Never rated him in a Rangers shirt even though he did well at Sevilla after. Says all it needs to right there about the coaching at the club at the time. This is only a bit of third hand gossip I heard from someone at the club, that Redknapp would only be at training if there were cameras there and most of the time he would be in his office with Wally Downes doing online gambling. Admin: if this is deemed libellous and would cause issues with the hosting site then please remove as I realise that it is unsubstantiated. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2020 12:47:26 GMT
Thought he was signing for Glasgow Rangers if not mistaken. Never rated him in a Rangers shirt even though he did well at Sevilla after. Says all it needs to right there about the coaching at the club at the time. This is only a bit of third hand gossip I heard from someone at the club, that Redknapp would only be at training if there were cameras there and most of the time he would be in his office with Wally Downes doing online gambling. Admin: if this is deemed libellous and would cause issues with the hosting site then please remove as I realise that it is unsubstantiated. Esox. Redknapp never signed Mbia. |
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Post by Bill on Apr 25, 2020 14:49:45 GMT
OK, how about I would be happier if he had died rather than my cousin? Why would you wish someone dead who in you opinion was a bad egg? Yet on a thread a while back you were defending peoples human rights like the scum that killed Soldier Rigby For example. I really dont get that at all as the two do not equate in anyway. Ignored |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2020 15:21:47 GMT
Remember he used to come running over to give his jersey to someone at the end of each home game? Once, we'd been stuffed and he'd been shite, he came trotting over to my part of the Ellerslie and, like a madman, I took off my winter coat and violently twirled it over my head screaming, 'Come get this, you f@&king useless c£&t''. Spying me, he quickly retreated. The coat had a red lining. Football does funny things to you. Lol. Thought he was signing for Glasgow Rangers if not mistaken. Never rated him in a Rangers shirt even though he did well at Sevilla after. He had some really good games. One up at old Trafford where he played rwb and Wigan at home springs to mind. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2020 15:23:16 GMT
Worse than Cesar? Bosingwa? Luke Young? Andy Johnson? Hoilett? SWP? Park? We never never made a penny on any of the signings from 2011 to 2013 all left for free or at a loss. Says everything you need to know about our chairman at that time. Definitely! Luke Young & Park were terrible signings but they weren't a cancer within like Barton was. If anyone on here saw Bosingwa make his debut up at The Hawthorns then you would have agreed with most up there on that day that we had signed a world class defender, he was a huge victim of the spin put on his locking himself in the dressing room after demanding to see Redknapp as to why he had been dropped and Redknapp told him to fuck off, something he also did to Traore and one other player who I never did get to find out who but suspect it was SW-P. Bosingwa was another of the mercenaries that turned up during that period but at least he was a decent footballer, as demonstrated in his last game for us against Newcastle. I don't remember fans being upset at Cesar or Andy Johnson playing for us until near the end when all the players were being turned on, same with Hoilett, Phillips. Granero etc. SW-P was just a waste of money as he never looked like he could be arsed, an unforgivable trait in a footballer, in the same way Trevor Sinclair did whilst he was trying to force a move to WHU. Even the one slike Chevanton & Chimbonda were better signings as they played very little part in the destruction of QPR. If Barton hadn't been a footballer the only he would have ever been in the public eye would have been in court reports. I really don't get how fans, especially those who have watched since the old third division days and should understand what QPR means as a football club could have nothing but disdain, at a minimum, for Joey Barton and his time at the club. Luke young started off really well when he came here. Don't get what happened that made him go completely off the boil around the middle of 11/12. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2020 16:03:20 GMT
Remember Luke Young signing and thought he was going to be great for us and then he did go off the boil completely. Another player who came on much more money than he was getting at Villa.
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Post by Ginger Ninja on Apr 25, 2020 17:12:58 GMT
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Post by hal9thou on Apr 25, 2020 21:27:11 GMT
who, like Joey, did not appoint himself.
You know perfectly well who ultimately has to carry the can: our beloved chairman.
I'm still far from convinced by Fernandes and you are not. That's where we part company.
I also prefer to judge players by what they do on the pitch rather than what they do off it. There are no points for being morally sound. Joey wasn't one of our best players but by christ he was a long way from one of our worst.
He's a troubled bloke and he often gets out of his depth and fucks up. There are worse people in the world, believe me.
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Post by 1qprdk on Apr 25, 2020 22:35:33 GMT
Top class is Warbs. Just keeping his head and not getting drawn into a discussion. Barton on the other hand is embarrassing. Badmouthing others in public, only reflects badly on yourself, but Joey is far too stupid to realise it. Don´t get why Clint is mates with that cunt  . |
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Post by Timmy Doc on Apr 26, 2020 8:09:36 GMT
[/quote] totally misused the talents of Vargas & Isla[/quote]
That's unfair if you look at the stats how Vargas has performed in Europe. Isla was very good after 4-5 first games.
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Post by hubble on Apr 26, 2020 8:56:38 GMT
The contrast between what Warbs says, and how he conducts himself, compared to the walnut-brained Barton, says it all. |
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Post by esoxlucius on Apr 26, 2020 10:53:39 GMT
Says all it needs to right there about the coaching at the club at the time. This is only a bit of third hand gossip I heard from someone at the club, that Redknapp would only be at training if there were cameras there and most of the time he would be in his office with Wally Downes doing online gambling. Admin: if this is deemed libellous and would cause issues with the hosting site then please remove as I realise that it is unsubstantiated. Esox. Redknapp never signed Mbia. I wasn't implying that he did, merely criticising his handling of the myriad of talented players that the club had which went to waste. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2020 11:11:30 GMT
Esox. Redknapp never signed Mbia. I wasn't implying that he did, merely criticising his handling of the myriad of talented players that the club had which went to waste. Hughes never won a match of the season up to the end of November which ultimately relegated us so would definitely point the finger in his direction when it comes to poor handling of players. Redknapp was not great and we knew he was dodgy before he came in so why are we suprised by him in any shape or form. |
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Post by Shania on Apr 26, 2020 11:36:57 GMT
Barton is 100 percent about passion. When he played for us I thought that would be enough, but it never quite was(obviously). And like we all now know he couldn`t handle pressure when it mattered the most. Warburton, on the other hand, seems to cope well with pressure. And don`t forget that he is very passionate as well.
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Post by esoxlucius on Apr 26, 2020 13:03:54 GMT
I wasn't implying that he did, merely criticising his handling of the myriad of talented players that the club had which went to waste. Hughes never won a match of the season up to the end of November which ultimately relegated us so would definitely point the finger in his direction when it comes to poor handling of players. Redknapp was not great and we knew he was dodgy before he came in so why are we surprised by him in any shape or form. I am only ever surprised by any support for Redknapp. If you subscribe to conspiracy theories, I believe he couldn't give a flying fuck about QPR and took the job solely for the money as revenge for the home game against Spurs where he was serenaded by long and loud choruses of "What's wrong with your face, what's wrong with your face, Harry Redknapp, what's wrong with your face". You could see he was seething inside whilst it was going on. |
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Post by Shania on Apr 26, 2020 13:21:15 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2020 13:29:21 GMT
Hughes never won a match of the season up to the end of November which ultimately relegated us so would definitely point the finger in his direction when it comes to poor handling of players. Redknapp was not great and we knew he was dodgy before he came in so why are we surprised by him in any shape or form. I am only ever surprised by any support for Redknapp. If you subscribe to conspiracy theories, I believe he couldn't give a flying fuck about QPR and took the job solely for the money as revenge for the home game against Spurs where he was serenaded by long and loud choruses of "What's wrong with your face, what's wrong with your face, Harry Redknapp, what's wrong with your face". You could see he was seething inside whilst it was going on. Harry Redknapp is a businessman who managed football teams no nore and no less. He was brought in by the same bloke who paid 2 keepers 155k a week and who gave Barton the 4 year deal at 75k a week. Redknapp and Barton 2 characters who we knew what we were getting when we brought them to the club whose only wrong doings were taking the silly contracts offered to them. That is not supporting either just pointing out the reality of how bad we were being run at the time. |
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Post by esoxlucius on Apr 27, 2020 7:28:46 GMT
I am only ever surprised by any support for Redknapp. If you subscribe to conspiracy theories, I believe he couldn't give a flying fuck about QPR and took the job solely for the money as revenge for the home game against Spurs where he was serenaded by long and loud choruses of "What's wrong with your face, what's wrong with your face, Harry Redknapp, what's wrong with your face". You could see he was seething inside whilst it was going on. Harry Redknapp is a businessman who managed football teams no nore and no less. He was brought in by the same bloke who paid 2 keepers 155k a week and who gave Barton the 4 year deal at 75k a week. Redknapp and Barton 2 characters who we knew what we were getting when we brought them to the club whose only wrong doings were taking the silly contracts offered to them. That is not supporting either just pointing out the reality of how bad we were being run at the time. I was right with you up to that point. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2020 8:40:08 GMT
Harry Redknapp is a businessman who managed football teams no nore and no less. He was brought in by the same bloke who paid 2 keepers 155k a week and who gave Barton the 4 year deal at 75k a week. Redknapp and Barton 2 characters who we knew what we were getting when we brought them to the club whose only wrong doings were taking the silly contracts offered to them. That is not supporting either just pointing out the reality of how bad we were being run at the time. I was right with you up to that point. Esox. If they are offered more than they are worth by our dumb chairman then not sure how they can be faulted. |
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Post by 1qprdk on Apr 27, 2020 10:33:23 GMT
not sure how they can be faulted They can still be faulted for being incompetent and/or disruptive? |
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Post by Brian Wilson on Apr 27, 2020 11:31:28 GMT
Yep, if we pay SWP 50k a week but his value at the time is around 35k a week then we shouldn't have overpaid. However if SWP then performs to about 5% (2.5k per week) of that then he is incompetent and not doing the job he is paid for.
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Post by hal9thou on Apr 27, 2020 11:32:53 GMT
I was right with you up to that point. Esox. If they are offered more than they are worth by our dumb chairman
Esox is reluctant to critique the people who truly bear responsibility for the shambles. Leaving him and his many disastrous appointments to one side for the moment, I note that the Mittal stake has been in the club since 2008.
I have one question for them. Why bother? Twelve years is a long time spent rubber stamping poor decisions.
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Post by Rangers77 on Apr 27, 2020 11:55:20 GMT
Esox. If they are offered more than they are worth by our dumb chairman
Esox is reluctant to critique the people who truly bear responsibility for the shambles. Leaving him and his many disastrous appointments to one side for the moment, I note that the Mittal stake has been in the club since 2008.
I have one question for them. Why bother? Twelve years is a long time spent rubber stamping poor decisions.
For the same reason we don't notice that £120 lying in a Post Office account for thirty years... |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2020 12:19:08 GMT
not sure how they can be faulted They can still be faulted for being incompetent and/or disruptive? Agreed but if never signed on ridiculous wages it would never have been an issue. |
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Post by Bill on Apr 27, 2020 12:28:12 GMT
I am only ever surprised by any support for Redknapp. If you subscribe to conspiracy theories, I believe he couldn't give a flying fuck about QPR and took the job solely for the money as revenge for the home game against Spurs where he was serenaded by long and loud choruses of "What's wrong with your face, what's wrong with your face, Harry Redknapp, what's wrong with your face". You could see he was seething inside whilst it was going on. Harry Redknapp is a businessman who managed football teams no nore and no less. He was brought in by the same bloke who paid 2 keepers 155k a week and who gave Barton the 4 year deal at 75k a week. Redknapp and Barton 2 characters who we knew what we were getting when we brought them to the club whose only wrong doings were taking the silly contracts offered to them. That is not supporting either just pointing out the reality of how bad we were being run at the time. "Harry Redknapp is a business man" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😋🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 |
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Post by BrightonR on Apr 27, 2020 12:51:17 GMT
Esox is reluctant to critique the people who truly bear responsibility for the shambles. Leaving him and his many disastrous appointments to one side for the moment, I note that the Mittal stake has been in the club since 2008.
I have one question for them. Why bother? Twelve years is a long time spent rubber stamping poor decisions.
For the same reason we don't notice that £120 lying in a Post Office account for thirty years... Do you know where the book is? |
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Post by Hitman34 on Apr 27, 2020 15:47:31 GMT
have not listened to it yet but love Joey. He gave his all, never hid away, rolled up his sleeves and got on with the job. Would happily have him back at the club alongside Clint in the future. Not his fault that some prize prat paid him all that money. how anyone could have a negative opinion of him while playing for us, beggers belief. what about 50phead, salad, boswanker, wrongphilips, samba and samba... Joey done more for our club than all those wankers put together. You'll enjoy it, Hits. But, boy, can Joey talk..... Seizure was, by all accounts, a decent sort and not a mercenary. Plus a gentleman most seem to say. We were stupid enough to pay him £100K a week when he wasn't suited to English football. He lived in Knightsbridge and went to Harlington by helicopter. Couldn't understand why Shaun Derry didn't 😂😂😂. Brilliant shot stopper, but rubbish in the air. Brought him when we had Paddy who was decent AND Green on £50K a week. Madness.... Only just now finished listening to the first hour. I love the guy. comes across as a totally no nonsense, heres the truth, like it or lump it, individual. loved hearing his pisstake on hughes, shouting in the canteen....."morning lesley, unlucky on saturday lesley" Also, the classic, "the only way warnock could be a coach is if you took out his false teeth and shoved some bus seats in his mouth". Also, he declared his loyalty to clint hill, paddy, furlian and the iceman. Surprised he never had much to say on the head clown fernandes. all in all, a great listen. |
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