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Post by 1973ranger on Aug 2, 2022 0:31:52 GMT
With the current forward line anything above the bottom six would be a result. Would always hope to aim high up but the reality is the board and D.O.F are not serious about going up as we will not get such a good chance to go up as we did last season.
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Post by James1979 on Aug 2, 2022 5:10:29 GMT
The club has, in particular Les and Hoos, done a fantastic job at getting the fans to accept mediocrity. Yes, we’re constrained by ffp, small stadium and historical mismanagement but I find it all far too pessimistic. Should we just give up? What is the fun in watching football if you accept that you probably won’t go up and we should really enjoy coming 16th each year?
I personally don’t see the need for a DoF at all. We’re a small club. Just shove those decisions either up the chain or down to CEO, chief scout, Manager etc. Use that money to invest in the team.
I found all the talk about the “thorough recruitment process” a bit too much. It’s the most important job at the club. They should always run a thorough recruitment process. What on earth were they doing before?
I’m still annoyed at years we lost with Ramsey, JFH and Holloway.
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Post by hubble on Aug 2, 2022 6:20:57 GMT
Ah, but is midtable mediocre? Depends on your perspective. If you're fascinated by watching what MB can (or can't) achieve with a tiny budget and a modest squad, then perhaps that means the end of season position isn't quite so important. This squad is so poor, it'll be some achievement just to be top half IMO. So I think it's possible to enjoy the season, even be excited and fascinated by it, if we finish lower than we did last season. In fact I think it's almost inevitable that we will finish lower. But if we can see that MB has got what all the hype about him suggests - i.e. we see players develop and new ideas begin to pay off, then maybe being part of the journey is enough. Of course, if he turns out to be shit, his ideas don't work and we've still got Lyndon B Dykes leading the line, then no one's gonna enjoy it!
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Post by James1979 on Aug 2, 2022 6:51:53 GMT
I don’t mean this season in isolation. I’m looking at our league finishes since we got relegated last.
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Post by hubble on Aug 2, 2022 7:30:56 GMT
I wasn't replying to you, James, but to the OP. Assuming your reply is to my post, of course!
I think you make a valid case.
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Post by The General on Aug 2, 2022 11:06:46 GMT
The question here is should we have dismantled the
First team squad when the real problem was
Between Les and Mark Warb off the pitch
The players clearly knew there was a problem upstairs
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Aug 2, 2022 11:11:35 GMT
I again emphasise that pro sport is about winning. To do this you have to compete to best or above your ability. And you throw your everything into achieving this goal, physically, mentally, financially.
You are a pro club it’s not about making up the numbers and participation.
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Post by West Acton on Aug 2, 2022 12:09:22 GMT
The question here is should we have dismantled the First team squad when the real problem was Between Les and Mark Warb off the pitch The players clearly knew there was a problem upstairs Les has came out podcast today saying there was no problem him or Warburton God knows if that is face saving or true. There is alot of shit made up by fans in fairness which kind of becomes mythical facts when there is actually no foundation |
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Post by itsonlyagame on Aug 2, 2022 12:23:48 GMT
The question here is should we have dismantled the First team squad when the real problem was Between Les and Mark Warb off the pitch The players clearly knew there was a problem upstairs Les has came out podcast today saying there was no problem him or Warburton God knows if that is face saving or true. There is alot of shit made up by fans in fairness which kind of becomes mythical facts when there is actually no foundation Spot on. Urban myths are a prime example of how people are led to believe something off the back of hearsay. There are only a few people who really know if Les put the block on a new striker, yet an awful lot of people who think they know. |
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Post by Ginger Ninja on Aug 2, 2022 12:25:58 GMT
I’m still annoyed at years we lost with Ramsey, JFH and Holloway. The McLaren era wasn't a treat either. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Aug 2, 2022 12:37:45 GMT
I’m still annoyed at years we lost with Ramsey, JFH and Holloway. The McLaren era wasn't a treat either. Agreed, you have to include that if we're discussing the post-Warnock era. Things improved somewhat under Warburton and hopefully that'll continue under Beale. Personally I'm reasonably optimistic about that. |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Aug 2, 2022 12:54:44 GMT
It’s not about manager board relations is it, it’s about showing some balls and going for it or not.
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Post by alanwycombe on Aug 2, 2022 13:09:32 GMT
Les has came out podcast today saying there was no problem him or Warburton God knows if that is face saving or true. There is alot of shit made up by fans in fairness which kind of becomes mythical facts when there is actually no foundation Spot on. Urban myths are a prime example of how people are led to believe something off the back of hearsay. There are only a few people who really know if Les put the block on a new striker, yet an awful lot of people who think they know. But Warburton said publicly somewhere that he didn’t want a striker didn’t he? Then he spun some bullshit about always being interested in Hendrick. Myths, rumours, whatever I find it very hard to believe that Les (of all people) watches Donkey and doesn’t think we needed a striker. |
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Post by James1979 on Aug 2, 2022 13:10:41 GMT
I’m still annoyed at years we lost with Ramsey, JFH and Holloway. The McLaren era wasn't a treat either. I forgot him somehow. Yes of course he’s included in that group. |
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Post by West Acton on Aug 2, 2022 13:13:00 GMT
Spot on. Urban myths are a prime example of how people are led to believe something off the back of hearsay. There are only a few people who really know if Les put the block on a new striker, yet an awful lot of people who think they know. But Warburton said publicly somewhere that he didn’t want a striker didn’t he? Then he spun some bullshit about always being interested in Hendrick. Myths, rumours, whatever I find it very hard to believe that Les (of all people) watches Donkey and doesn’t think we needed a striker. point was not about striker but off field issues between the two which has been denied |
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Post by sparks on Aug 2, 2022 13:26:09 GMT
I listened to maybe the same podcast on Saturday, Les said despite reports saying there were problems between him and MW they weren’t true, he also said he hoped MW would come out at some stage to say the same.
It all all depends what each individual wants to believe is the truth.
I believe the article that WLS put out describing problems with MW not accepting some U23s we’re good enough or earned the right to join the first team,I think Lee one of the new members who’s son plays for the club said the same on here.Does MW petulant naming of subs bench at Swansea suggest any different.
I can imagine if MW did do that he would upset not only DOF but also Ramsey.
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Post by alanwycombe on Aug 2, 2022 14:01:34 GMT
But Warburton said publicly somewhere that he didn’t want a striker didn’t he? Then he spun some bullshit about always being interested in Hendrick. Myths, rumours, whatever I find it very hard to believe that Les (of all people) watches Donkey and doesn’t think we needed a striker. point was not about striker but off field issues between the two which has been denied Striker was the off field issue. If it’s true it was tail wagging dog, not a DOF decision as it should have been. |
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Post by itsonlyagame on Aug 2, 2022 15:09:01 GMT
Spot on. Urban myths are a prime example of how people are led to believe something off the back of hearsay. There are only a few people who really know if Les put the block on a new striker, yet an awful lot of people who think they know. But Warburton said publicly somewhere that he didn’t want a striker didn’t he? Then he spun some bullshit about always being interested in Hendrick. Myths, rumours, whatever I find it very hard to believe that Les (of all people) watches Donkey and doesn’t think we needed a striker. But isn’t the point of a DOF that the manger/coach pinpoints the areas that need strengthening, then the DOF checks who’s a viable option, based on availability, budget etc. If there was no issue between Les and Warbs and Warbs didn’t want a striker, why is Les getting a hard time over it from some of our fans. |
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Post by itsonlyagame on Aug 2, 2022 15:42:32 GMT
The article also states that Warbs was advised to bring in a striker but wasn’t keen. Which again makes it difficult to understand why sine fans are blaming Les. |
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Post by hal9thou on Aug 2, 2022 15:53:56 GMT
We've been here before.
It's all about money. To get into the 'chute regiment (ie Norwich etc) you have to be prepared to invest. It doesn't have to be an FFP obliterating amount, like I said this time last year Swansea paid 1m for a 20+ striker.
Since Dykes cost twice that, you have to ask yourself if the problem lies with the DoF. £600k a year for what? Consistently poor decision making? I thought his appointment ludicrous at the time and said so.
Our problem is a lack of football suss on the board. Until that is corrected, or there is regime change, we're not going far.
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Post by hal9thou on Aug 2, 2022 15:57:28 GMT
The article also states that Warbs was advised to bring in a striker but wasn’t keen. Which again makes it difficult to understand why sine fans are blaming Les. Because it's his fucking job to run the shop market wise. Too bad if the manager aint keen, Warburton knew all along that we had a dof. If no one pays any attention to Les anhyway, it gives us even more reason to get rid. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Aug 2, 2022 15:57:32 GMT
The article also states that Warbs was advised to bring in a striker but wasn’t keen. Which again makes it difficult to understand why sine fans are blaming Les. I agree Itso it doesn't really make sense to blame Les for that. Some fans seem to think the DoF should overrule the manager in such a circumstance but that would be a breach of both their remits. i don't think Dave McIntyre is one to shit-stir for the sake of it. It's more than his reputation is worth. Yet he makes it very clear there was trouble at mill. That was the interesting aspect of the article imo. |
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Post by hal9thou on Aug 2, 2022 15:59:05 GMT
The article also states that Warbs was advised to bring in a striker but wasn’t keen. Which again makes it difficult to understand why sine fans are blaming Les. I agree Itso it doesn't really make sense to blame Les for that. Some fans seem to think the DoF should overrule the manager in such a circumstance but that would be a breach of both their remits.
i don't think Dave McIntyre is one to shit-stir for the sake of it. It's more than his reputation is worth. Yet he makes it very clear there was trouble at mill. That was the interesting aspect of the article imo. No it really wouldn't. Unless our DoF is a powerless figurehead. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Aug 2, 2022 16:03:23 GMT
I agree Itso it doesn't really make sense to blame Les for that. Some fans seem to think the DoF should overrule the manager in such a circumstance but that would be a breach of both their remits.
i don't think Dave McIntyre is one to shit-stir for the sake of it. It's more than his reputation is worth. Yet he makes it very clear there was trouble at mill. That was the interesting aspect of the article imo. Unless our DoF is a powerless figurehead. Yes it really would. |
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Post by sparks on Aug 2, 2022 16:05:02 GMT
Would have to add on the recent podcast DOF was asked what his day to day duties were? his reply could be considered by some to be awkward and evasive
i.e im working closely with recruitment team and MB, I’m responsible for the training ground, I watch training every day, neither MW or MB have directly asked me to assist with training but I did when Holloway was here.
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Post by West Acton on Aug 2, 2022 16:06:25 GMT
We've been here before. It's all about money. To get into the 'chute regiment (ie Norwich etc) you have to be prepared to invest. It doesn't have to be an FFP obliterating amount, like I said this time last year Swansea paid 1m for a 20+ striker. Since Dykes cost twice that, you have to ask yourself if the problem lies with the DoF. £600k a year for what? Consistently poor decision making? I thought his appointment ludicrous at the time and said so. Our problem is a lack of football suss on the board. Until that is corrected, or there is regime change, we're not going far. but Norwich don’t invest that’s why they go straight back down after every promotion. They collect the money and just ensure there better then other championship clubs for the following season. Not a bad strategy if you have set of fans that will accept that |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Aug 2, 2022 16:10:05 GMT
We've been here before. It's all about money. To get into the 'chute regiment (ie Norwich etc) you have to be prepared to invest. It doesn't have to be an FFP obliterating amount, like I said this time last year Swansea paid 1m for a 20+ striker. Since Dykes cost twice that, you have to ask yourself if the problem lies with the DoF. £600k a year for what? Consistently poor decision making? I thought his appointment ludicrous at the time and said so. Our problem is a lack of football suss on the board. Until that is corrected, or there is regime change, we're not going far. but Norwich don’t invest that’s why they go straight back down after every promotion. They collect the money and just ensure there better then other championship clubs for the following season. Not a bad strategy if you have set of fans that will accept that Trophy every other year as champions,more than we get in most decades. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Aug 2, 2022 16:12:16 GMT
We've been here before. It's all about money. To get into the 'chute regiment (ie Norwich etc) you have to be prepared to invest. It doesn't have to be an FFP obliterating amount, like I said this time last year Swansea paid 1m for a 20+ striker. Since Dykes cost twice that, you have to ask yourself if the problem lies with the DoF. £600k a year for what? Consistently poor decision making? I thought his appointment ludicrous at the time and said so. Our problem is a lack of football suss on the board. Until that is corrected, or there is regime change, we're not going far. but Norwich don’t invest that’s why they go straight back down after every promotion. They collect the money and just ensure there better then other championship clubs for the following season. Not a bad strategy if you have set of fans that will accept that Most championship clubs of similar size would accept that, I'd have thought, if the alternative is treading water in Championship mid-table mediocrity? Most QPR fans would accept it I'm sure. Indeed for many it's an ambition as it would be progress from where we've been for the last 7-8 years. |
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Post by Corbray on Aug 2, 2022 16:50:18 GMT
but Norwich don’t invest that’s why they go straight back down after every promotion. They collect the money and just ensure there better then other championship clubs for the following season. Not a bad strategy if you have set of fans that will accept that Most championship clubs of similar size would accept that, I'd have thought, if the alternative is treading water in Championship mid-table mediocrity? Most QPR fans would accept it I'm sure. Indeed for many it's an ambition as it would be progress from where we've been for the last 7-8 years. fans are always ambitious though. a few years ago we were hoping for a midtable finish every year, then when we get that it becomes pushing for the playoffs. now its making the playoffs. i'm sure norwich fans are probably grumbling about having little investment every prem season and are moaning that 'x' player is good enough for the prem but 'z' player needs to be replaced and that the aim should be to stay up etc. the same things every fan moans about. heck, look at leicester fans lol. they're at the point where a top 7 finish is an expectation now. |
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