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Post by Bill on Aug 1, 2022 14:14:03 GMT
Are we willing to accept midtable mediocrity after the promise of last season?
Before anyone spouts it's early,it's just a question.
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Post by alanwycombe on Aug 1, 2022 14:27:38 GMT
A question which opens the whole flawed debate about finishing mid-table/building for the future bollocks. You can’t aim to finish anywhere in particular, you play to win and see where it gets you. As for ‘building’ everyone is for sale for the right price, so if we develop a player that someone wants then building a team for the future becomes secondary. It’s about taking opportunities when they arise (like January) not aiming to go up next season or the season after. To answer your question Bill, no. Not after the hype around Mick Beale. If we are there or thereabouts this coming Jan I bet they don’t make the same mistake again.
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Aug 1, 2022 14:28:47 GMT
Shit or bust my philosophy in life
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Post by alanwycombe on Aug 1, 2022 14:31:53 GMT
Are we willing to accept midtable mediocrity after the promise of last season? Before anyone spouts it's early,it's just a question. And good question btw |
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Post by Stanley75 on Aug 1, 2022 14:49:56 GMT
You can’t aim to finish anywhere in particular, you play to win and see where it gets you. That's always been my general philosophy too. OTOH if a club has genuine ambitions of progress then promotion should always be the aim. We don't know if that's the board's genuine aim though, and in answer to the OP question, as a fan I can only base my expectations on what the boards are, but they're hardly going to come out and state it, therefore we return to Alan's sentence above. Every fan will have their own individual expectation. At this stage of the season I think it's nigh on impossible to gauge the overall expectation level of the fanbase. I would say for the majority it's simply a case of watch this space and let's wait and see. People in the main seem supportive of the new coach and seem willing to be patient with him. That patience could run thin if the board don't continue to back him in the transfer market. But you sense the impatience will be more with the board than Beale. I also get the feeling many are still unhappy with MW being let go. |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Aug 1, 2022 14:51:23 GMT
Sport is about winning at pro level. It’s not primary school
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Post by sparks on Aug 1, 2022 14:53:52 GMT
Looking at some reactions on other forums it’s not so much about Beale it’s much more about their love affair with Warburton.imo.
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Post by alanwycombe on Aug 1, 2022 14:56:21 GMT
Don’t get it. Too many mistakes. Time to go.
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Post by West Acton on Aug 1, 2022 16:59:09 GMT
I think the love affair is the prem. some people crave it and Think if your not there you're missing out. I personally can take it or leave it I like watching prem on sky but it don’t bother me if we’re there or not.
My main reason for being prem would be for the money no other reason.
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Post by MattyRangers on Aug 1, 2022 17:19:34 GMT
I think the love affair is the prem. some people crave it and Think if your not there you're missing out. I personally can take it or leave it I like watching prem on sky but it don’t bother me if we’re there or not. My main reason for being prem would be for the money no other reason. I'm with you again here West. Ref the original question also; I think it's about managing expectations. Reality with the squad we have as it stands at this moment in time (IMHO) is we aren't getting anything more than midtable mediocrity anyway so lets not set ourselves up for a fall by setting expectations any higher lol |
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Post by Corbray on Aug 1, 2022 18:08:21 GMT
I think the love affair is the prem. some people crave it and Think if your not there you're missing out. I personally can take it or leave it I like watching prem on sky but it don’t bother me if we’re there or not. My main reason for being prem would be for the money no other reason. prem has its negatives and positives for a club of our size. positives: we'll get to see the worlds best players on a weekly basis, the standard of player at our club will also go up and we'll be in the most watched league in the world with the biggest teams to boot. plus lots of money and the honour of having international players in the team too. negatives: those same world class players and big teams will probably be tearing us a new asshole everytime we play them. plus we'll probably be lower midtable at best with about 10-12 wins a season. we won't be competing with the heavy hitters thats for sure. even so i'd like us to go up one day and have a real go at competing in the prem with players we're proud of. |
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Post by The General on Aug 1, 2022 18:39:41 GMT
Bored with the clubs lip service season after season
We should be a top 6 club but we are not
Constant bullshit from the owners and Les
Shut the fuck up and make us the club that we used to be
8 seasons in championship and we are hoping for mid table
Sorry it’s embarrassing
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Post by The General on Aug 1, 2022 18:40:07 GMT
Tin hat is now on 😂😂
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Post by The General on Aug 1, 2022 18:41:39 GMT
Sorry just run out of patience with the constant rubbish
I honestly think if we had kept the existing squad and added three more players and employed Beale we would go up
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Post by alanwycombe on Aug 1, 2022 18:55:25 GMT
Bored with the clubs lip service season after season We should be a top 6 club but we are not Constant bullshit from the owners and Les Shut the fuck up and make us the club that we used to be 8 seasons in championship and we are hoping for mid table Sorry it’s embarrassing can’t totally disagree apart from ‘what we used to be’. That was another world. Man City were in third tier, Abramovich hadn’t nicked his train or whatever it was he did to get rich - allegedly. We used to beat Arsenal. Best we can hope for in modern game is to join Watford, Fulham, Norwich and the like, getting richer, winning nothing. If it means survival of the club and a new stadium I’d be happy with that. |
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Post by The General on Aug 1, 2022 19:16:12 GMT
Bored with the clubs lip service season after season We should be a top 6 club but we are not Constant bullshit from the owners and Les Shut the fuck up and make us the club that we used to be 8 seasons in championship and we are hoping for mid table Sorry it’s embarrassing can’t totally disagree apart from ‘what we used to be’. That was another world. Man City were in third tier, Abramovich hadn’t nicked his train or whatever it was he did to get rich - allegedly. We used to beat Arsenal. Best we can hope for in modern game is to join Watford, Fulham, Norwich and the like, getting richer, winning nothing. If it means survival of the club and a new stadium I’d be happy with that. Firstly though we need to join Luton Coventry and Sheffield Utd and Millwall. 😂😂😂😂 |
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Post by The General on Aug 1, 2022 19:17:29 GMT
We constantly are thankful to our owners who save the club every year
They put us in this fucking position
Derrrrr
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Aug 1, 2022 19:22:05 GMT
Post by The General on Aug 1, 2022 19:22:05 GMT
Hoping Beale can transform our club into something really good
I believe in time he will do this too
It’s the constant being grateful to the owners for saving us I can’t digest
We were a premier league club when they took over
Now we are grateful for mid table championship position
Go fuck yourselves you caused this 8 seasons of shit not the fans
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Post by The General on Aug 1, 2022 19:22:31 GMT
Rant finished
Up the Rsss
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Post by The General on Aug 1, 2022 19:22:46 GMT
True words though
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Post by The General on Aug 1, 2022 19:30:59 GMT
Its like someone crashing into your new car
Then they pay for it
Then sending them a thank you card every year till you die
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Post by Bill on Aug 1, 2022 19:41:36 GMT
You can’t aim to finish anywhere in particular, you play to win and see where it gets you. That's always been my general philosophy too. OTOH if a club has genuine ambitions of progress then promotion should always be the aim. We don't know if that's the board's genuine aim though, and in answer to the OP question, as a fan I can only base my expectations on what the boards are, but they're hardly going to come out and state it, therefore we return to Alan's sentence above. Every fan will have their own individual expectation. At this stage of the season I think it's nigh on impossible to gauge the overall expectation level of the fanbase. I would say for the majority it's simply a case of watch this space and let's wait and see. People in the main seem supportive of the new coach and seem willing to be patient with him. That patience could run thin if the board don't continue to back him in the transfer market. But you sense the impatience will be more with the board than Beale. I also get the feeling many are still unhappy with MW being let go. Think you surely gave to aim for top 6 minimum. Also is it not on record the board targeted this season for promotion. We had our best chance yet last season and allegedly MW overruled LF about a striker.How that happened is a mystery.Might prove to be a major mistake. Where I am in my life I would just like promotion to financially secure the club. Anything else is a bonus. |
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Post by Bill on Aug 1, 2022 19:42:42 GMT
We constantly are thankful to our owners who save the club every year They put us in this fucking position Derrrrr Do they ? |
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Post by The General on Aug 1, 2022 19:56:23 GMT
I be happy with a top six club which is what we were last season until Mw fell out with Lf
That’s the truth too much ego
LF let MW purposely sink himself too prove a point by playing dykes
Instead of doing what was right for the club and fans and stepping in as DOF
We lost our chance of going up because of egos behind the scenes
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Post by sparks on Aug 1, 2022 19:57:50 GMT
A question which opens the whole flawed debate about finishing mid-table/building for the future bollocks. You can’t aim to finish anywhere in particular, you play to win and see where it gets you. As for ‘building’ everyone is for sale for the right price, so if we develop a player that someone wants then building a team for the future becomes secondary. It’s about taking opportunities when they arise (like January) not aiming to go up next season or the season after. To answer your question Bill, no. Not after the hype around Mick Beale. If we are there or thereabouts this coming Jan I bet they don’t make the same mistake again. I would guess the board targeting promotion perhaps in one particular year would be hugely dependent on when star players contracts are due to expire. Same could be said for maybe patient owners giving Managers 3 year contracts, although stats show most don’t last that long. |
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Post by West Acton on Aug 1, 2022 20:14:46 GMT
I think we should have aspirations to be a top six club Gens but no Devine right too be. We’re only going get there from hard work and astute management of the club by the board as we don’t have a top 6 squad, nor top six budget, or stadium or average home attendance l; absolutely nothing about the club is top six aside from fans personal opinions.
Think only area we possibly compete with top six is away followings but that don’t get us any points and in couple of seasons maybe training ground.
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Post by Hitman34 on Aug 1, 2022 20:32:22 GMT
I be happy with a top six club which is what we were last season until Mw fell out with Lf That’s the truth too much ego LF let MW purposely sink himself too prove a point by playing dykes Instead of doing what was right for the club and fans and stepping in as DOF We lost our chance of going up because of egos behind the scenes That, General, Is a brilliant post and I reckon that you have hit the nail squarely on the head. |
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Post by Ginger Ninja on Aug 1, 2022 21:13:18 GMT
Would never accept mid table mediocrity unless we were in dire trouble near the relegation zone, which we aren't (yet, dont wanna tempt fate). All to play for this season but Beale must be given time imo. We have a young squad who I think are capable of a top 10 finish.
I'm with others on here though that can take or leave the Prem. Haven't enjoyed it at all the last 2 times we've been there. The only reason I want to get there is the money.
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Post by The General on Aug 1, 2022 21:26:37 GMT
I think we should have aspirations to be a top six club Gens but no Devine right too be. We’re only going get there from hard work and astute management of the club by the board as we don’t have a top 6 squad, nor top six budget, or stadium or average home attendance l; absolutely nothing about the club is top six aside from fans personal opinions. Think only area we possibly compete with top six is away followings but that don’t get us any points and in couple of seasons maybe training ground. Your in the dugout now Do you fancy the job 😂😂😂 Never seen so many stars Dont you sleep mate ha ha |
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Post by Stanley75 on Aug 1, 2022 21:46:54 GMT
we don’t have a top 6 squad I'm reserving judgement on that until the transfer window shuts. If we bring in a decent RB and striker we arguably would have a squad that could challenge, with the right organisation, coaching and team spirit. As of yet just think it's too early to tell with any confidence. The last 15 minutes at Ewood had encouraging signs for me and we were unlucky not to equalise. They never killed us off and showed no signs of doing so. We were in the game right to the end. |
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