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Post by 1973ranger on Aug 20, 2022 8:48:13 GMT
The economy is largely fucked due to shutting the country down for 18th Months and encouraging people to work from home. Lockdowns not Covid or Brexit is along with the Ukraine and Russia conflict have fast forwarded how fucked we are. Covid has for sure had a massive impact but you are wrong on Brexit. Before Brexit the UK had the highest growth in the G20. Now we are second bottom behind just Russia which is at war. All the other countries have been hit by lockdowns/ covid to varying degrees. The Treasury itself (Tory run) admits Brexit has had a massive impact. Many British firms have simply given up trying to export. Covid has actually provided convenient cover to hide the devastating impact of Brexit. Might not be what Brexit voters want to hear and they would no doubt claim there are other arguments for it - but the cold hard numbers don’t lie It is not down to Covid it is down to the decisions taken by the goverments all over the globe and if you really believe Covid itself was the reason take a look at the lunatics in charge of Canada and New Zealand and to a degree Jimmy Krankie in Scotland. All three are ego maniacs and controlling loons. |
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Post by Corbray on Aug 20, 2022 9:03:22 GMT
Covid has for sure had a massive impact but you are wrong on Brexit. Before Brexit the UK had the highest growth in the G20. Now we are second bottom behind just Russia which is at war. All the other countries have been hit by lockdowns/ covid to varying degrees. The Treasury itself (Tory run) admits Brexit has had a massive impact. Many British firms have simply given up trying to export. Covid has actually provided convenient cover to hide the devastating impact of Brexit. Might not be what Brexit voters want to hear and they would no doubt claim there are other arguments for it - but the cold hard numbers don’t lie It is not down to Covid it is down to the decisions taken by the goverments all over the globe and if you really believe Covid itself was the reason take a look at the lunatics in charge of Canada and New Zealand and to a degree Jimmy Krankie in Scotland. All three are ego maniacs and controlling loons. stainrod didn't say it was down to covid, just that covid played a role. brexit is one of the main reasons for the state of the economy. |
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Post by Bill on Aug 20, 2022 10:37:36 GMT
It's the Russia war
Fuel prices
Pandemic
Lousy politicians
Lousy so called leaders
Shortage of cheaper labour
Round pegs in square wholes
Snowflakes
Come to think of it bit like Rangers.
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Post by MattyRangers on Aug 20, 2022 12:28:13 GMT
The country is fucked. The thing is, am not sure a lot of people out there realise quite how royally fucked we are. Brexit - trade massively down. Energy - Putin laughing in a way as his revenue from oil and gas has actually increased since sanctions to record highs, but the public left to pick up the tab Truss - next PM says some tax cuts to the already well off is the answer Economy - we don't make anything and the financial services our economy depends on now fucked due to Brexit (see above). Rents - sky rocketing as private landlords being forced out of the market Oh and our next prime minister says British workers can't graft while the current pm is off enjoying his next holiday because he can't be fucked to run the country or even address the massive crisis. You really couldn't make it up. I fully expect there to be riots exceeding the poll tax riots in the next 12 months. Amazing more people don't see what's coming down the track but judging by this thread at least Rs fans seem a bit more aware than the majority. The economy is largely fucked due to shutting the country down for 18th Months and encouraging people to work from home. Lockdowns not Covid or Brexit is along with the Ukraine and Russia conflict have fast forwarded how fucked we are. Amen |
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Post by Stanley75 on Aug 20, 2022 12:30:37 GMT
The economy is largely fucked due to shutting the country down for 18th Months and encouraging people to work from home. Lockdowns not Covid or Brexit is along with the Ukraine and Russia conflict have fast forwarded how fucked we are. Covid has for sure had a massive impact but you are wrong on Brexit. Before Brexit the UK had the highest growth in the G20. Now we are second bottom behind just Russia which is at war. All the other countries have been hit by lockdowns/ covid to varying degrees. The Treasury itself (Tory run) admits Brexit has had a massive impact. Many British firms have simply given up trying to export. Covid has actually provided convenient cover to hide the devastating impact of Brexit. Might not be what Brexit voters want to hear and they would no doubt claim there are other arguments for it - but the cold hard numbers don’t lie Those kind of teething issues were always going to happen after leaving the EU though, weren't they? The next 5-10 years will give a much clearer long-term picture. Covid, lockdowns, global recession, vengeful EU tactics have all been macro factors in it all. |
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Aug 20, 2022 14:18:57 GMT
Covid has for sure had a massive impact but you are wrong on Brexit. Before Brexit the UK had the highest growth in the G20. Now we are second bottom behind just Russia which is at war. All the other countries have been hit by lockdowns/ covid to varying degrees. The Treasury itself (Tory run) admits Brexit has had a massive impact. Many British firms have simply given up trying to export. Covid has actually provided convenient cover to hide the devastating impact of Brexit. Might not be what Brexit voters want to hear and they would no doubt claim there are other arguments for it - but the cold hard numbers don’t lie Those kind of teething issues were always going to happen after leaving the EU though, weren't they? The next 5-10 years will give a much clearer long-term picture. Covid, lockdowns, global recession, vengeful EU tactics have all been macro factors in it all. Way more than teething problems mate. EU isn't being vindictive - Britain didn't want to be in single market or customers union. So we are shut out. |
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Post by Bill on Aug 20, 2022 14:35:45 GMT
Those kind of teething issues were always going to happen after leaving the EU though, weren't they? The next 5-10 years will give a much clearer long-term picture. Covid, lockdowns, global recession, vengeful EU tactics have all been macro factors in it all. Way more than teething problems mate. EU isn't being vindictive - Britain didn't want to be in single market or customers union. So we are shut out. Always going to be a transitional period.Pleased we are out but lack of preparation and a useless government contributed to where we are now. |
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Aug 20, 2022 20:15:00 GMT
Way more than teething problems mate. EU isn't being vindictive - Britain didn't want to be in single market or customers union. So we are shut out. Always going to be a transitional period.Pleased we are out but lack of preparation and a useless government contributed to where we are now. No. The EU has put up the borders that they warned they would put up and the British govt said they would accept. So we are now restricted and taxed on lots of things we export. But however many years later we haven't got round to apply ANY checks or tariffs on goods coming into Britain from the EU. So the British fuck up is arguably transitional if they can ever get their act together - but the block on British trade to the world's largest single market and by far Britain's largest trading partner is permanent. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Aug 21, 2022 20:54:53 GMT
Those kind of teething issues were always going to happen after leaving the EU though, weren't they? The next 5-10 years will give a much clearer long-term picture. Covid, lockdowns, global recession, vengeful EU tactics have all been macro factors in it all. Way more than teething problems mate. EU isn't being vindictive - Britain didn't want to be in single market or customers union. So we are shut out. Try telling that to the Northern Irish. Yes they may not be being vindictive but they're certainly running scared. They're terrified of other countries following suit. They know that's their big Achilles heel, and is why they are playing such hard ball now with us over rules and regs. But sooner or later they know that they're going to have to trade with us, so they realise that eventually they will have to compromise. That's why I say you need to look at the long game over the next 5-10 years to really tell how it's going to play out. In the meantime though several other nations would love to do what we've done and that's what scares them. My sense is that it will eventually collapse as a trading block. There is also far too much history and culture of its member states that's being continually eroded. |
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Post by James1979 on Aug 21, 2022 21:33:22 GMT
I’m looking forward to a time when we can stop talking about Brexit vs Remainers. Time to move on. Got plenty of other stuff going on. It’s always darkest before the dawn.
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Aug 21, 2022 22:06:04 GMT
Way more than teething problems mate. EU isn't being vindictive - Britain didn't want to be in single market or customers union. So we are shut out. Try telling that to the Northern Irish. Yes they may not be being vindictive but they're certainly running scared. They're terrified of other countries following suit. They know that's their big Achilles heel, and is why they are playing such hard ball now with us over rules and regs. But sooner or later they know that they're going to have to trade with us, so they realise that eventually they will have to compromise. That's why I say you need to look at the long game over the next 5-10 years to really tell how it's going to play out. In the meantime though several other nations would love to do what we've done and that's what scares them. My sense is that it will eventually collapse as a trading block. There is also far too much history and culture of its member states that's being continually eroded. Couldn’t disagree more mate. Office of Budgetary Responsibility (that’s basically the government) admits Brexit has knocked 4 per cent of GDP. The FT estimated that amounts to £40bn loss to the Treasury EVERY YEAR. That’s a lot more than teething problems, that’s ab eye watering bill for our children and grandchildren to pay. As for being vindictive, the EU is doing no such thing. It has to have a border somewhere. Britain has chosen to be outside that border. Theresa May understood this - which was why she said “no British prime minister would ever agree” to the batshit crazy deal Boris signed. These very consequences were spelt out to him but he went ahead anyway - if you don’t like it, blame him. As for the EU breaking up, Euro-sceptics have been predicting that for decades - and more countries want to join ithan ever. Don’t believe all the propaganda in the Tory press! |
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Post by Stanley75 on Aug 22, 2022 0:41:21 GMT
Don’t believe all the propaganda in the Tory press! I don't but there's propaganda on all sides. Tony Benn (to his dying day) and Jeremy Corbyn are the original arch-Brexiteers and Euro-sceptics, so that's clearly nothing to do with Tory press mate. Nor did I say they were being vindictive but gave the reasons why they're playing hard-ball. And the only countries wanting to join are the poorer ones, for obvious reasons. |
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Post by Bill on Aug 22, 2022 8:41:00 GMT
Try telling that to the Northern Irish. Yes they may not be being vindictive but they're certainly running scared. They're terrified of other countries following suit. They know that's their big Achilles heel, and is why they are playing such hard ball now with us over rules and regs. But sooner or later they know that they're going to have to trade with us, so they realise that eventually they will have to compromise. That's why I say you need to look at the long game over the next 5-10 years to really tell how it's going to play out. In the meantime though several other nations would love to do what we've done and that's what scares them. My sense is that it will eventually collapse as a trading block. There is also far too much history and culture of its member states that's being continually eroded. Couldn’t disagree more mate. Office of Budgetary Responsibility (that’s basically the government) admits Brexit has knocked 4 per cent of GDP. The FT estimated that amounts to £40bn loss to the Treasury EVERY YEAR. That’s a lot more than teething problems, that’s ab eye watering bill for our children and grandchildren to pay. As for being vindictive, the EU is doing no such thing. It has to have a border somewhere. Britain has chosen to be outside that border. Theresa May understood this - which was why she said “no British prime minister would ever agree” to the batshit crazy deal Boris signed. These very consequences were spelt out to him but he went ahead anyway - if you don’t like it, blame him. As for the EU breaking up, Euro-sceptics have been predicting that for decades - and more countries want to join ithan ever. Don’t believe all the propaganda in the Tory press! You need to look at the bigger picture Stains. |
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Post by Bill on Aug 22, 2022 8:51:26 GMT
Anyway back to rangers.
What ever way you look at it our club is in turmoil.
The saving grace is quite a few others are as well.
We can play the blame game but if you believe what the club spouts we are potless due to the crazy Ffp rules whereby we were really shagged.
You get penalised for having a small ground with smaller revenues.
Imo the sooner the clubs get together and kick the Efl in to touch and try to form a new regime the better.
Refs are crap,ffp is crap,
Football used to be about the game not bloody politics and a governing body that is floored to say the least.
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Post by alanwycombe on Aug 22, 2022 8:52:45 GMT
You can all have a joke about me and Bill but the fact is we’ve seen it all before, in the seventies. Whatever the rights or wrongs about her - different debate - it took a career politician, a conviction politician, to shake the country up, not the here today gone tomorrow rich twats playing at being statesmen (sorry, statespersons😐) for a few years. Liz Cheese or Dishy Rishi? FFS.
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Post by hal9thou on Aug 22, 2022 9:04:34 GMT
When Corbyn permitted Boris to fuck Theresa May (ie by JC sitting on the fence and not supporting her trade deal) we were done. Up the wrong 'un.
We could have had Brexit AND a trade deal which didn't fuck off every import / export business in the country.
But that silly cunt still in no.10 and the liability that was Corbyn blew it.
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Post by alanwycombe on Aug 22, 2022 9:38:00 GMT
When Corbyn permitted Boris to fuck Theresa May (ie by JC sitting on the fence and not supporting her trade deal) we were done. Up the wrong 'un. We could have had Brexit AND a trade deal which didn't fuck off every import / export business in the country. But that silly cunt still in no.10 and the liability that was Corbyn blew it. True, and the free movement of people argument was a huge red herring. People who hate our way of life can still come here, it’s just Europeans we’ve kept out. Handled properly we could have been out control wise but still in economically. Not without some cost but not this wholesale balls up. |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Aug 22, 2022 10:39:20 GMT
Football is a case point.who get richer and richer whatever? The already rich. Who is it gears up to benefit? The rich!
Just like everything else in life.
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Post by Bill on Aug 22, 2022 11:17:09 GMT
Football is a case point.who get richer and richer whatever? The already rich. Who is it gears up to benefit? The rich! Just like everything else in life. Yes by whatever means |
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Post by Corbray on Aug 22, 2022 11:21:45 GMT
Football is a case point.who get richer and richer whatever? The already rich. Who is it gears up to benefit? The rich! Just like everything else in life. yep, look at man utd as a prime example. they "bought" the club using the clubs own money and have since paid themselves well over £1bn in the years since. now they want to sell the club for around £4bn. |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Aug 22, 2022 11:44:34 GMT
It’s always said that poor will one day eat the rich. Never happens and however u think about conspiracy nuts etc you can see fair bit of their rants happening. Governments are elected by the people but really benefit the few. The few run the world with money and influence geared to keep the majority in service to the few. They drop a few sweets every now and then to us but it’s set up to their vision of a comfy world for them not us. Dystopian times are upon us.
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Post by Bill on Aug 24, 2022 17:05:59 GMT
Riots,looting,shoplifting burglary what ever it takes to survive for some poor bastards.
Get nicked year inside bed fed and watered come out 6 months things could be better.
Drugs beer gambling all going to suffer possibly,mental health through the roof and people sleeping rough.
All this not a pretty picture.
NHS again under pressure not that it ever isn't.
Staff being attacked etc.
Plod doing fuck all.
This has got to change,if not it will eventually affect the rich as no fuckers working.
No bar staff,no waiters and so on.
I hope I live to see it and meet some politician or high flyer and kick him right in the bollocks.
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Aug 24, 2022 18:55:09 GMT
Im in shock not!
Bojo has announced 54 mill more to Ukraine but they cant do nothing for our own bloody country energy cap increase on Friday til new bod in charge. Thats it help Igor sod Dave.
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Aug 25, 2022 7:05:13 GMT
Sod Ukraine, Bojo fuck off, look after the folk who voted fir your party not another country. Patronising cant.
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Post by West Acton on Aug 25, 2022 8:47:03 GMT
Saw article saying pint could be £14 in 12months
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Aug 25, 2022 8:52:29 GMT
Won’t happen as be no pubs left to serve one
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Aug 25, 2022 9:42:48 GMT
Saw article saying pint could be £14 in 12months That might get even me off the sauce... |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Aug 26, 2022 6:18:17 GMT
Willock be sold to pay electric bill increase.
Owners have to put 2 mill a month in soon.
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Post by croydoncaptainjack on Aug 26, 2022 7:20:35 GMT
If I'm honest, I prefer the Word Association thread.
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Aug 26, 2022 7:25:25 GMT
If I'm honest, I prefer the Word Association thread. That sill be your sole entertainment soon way it going  |
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