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Post by alanwycombe on Dec 13, 2023 18:51:11 GMT
We knew too. Just Ainsworth then….
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Post by 1973ranger on Dec 13, 2023 21:59:14 GMT
Unbelievably greedy and ever so predictable tonight
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Post by Bill on Dec 13, 2023 22:03:39 GMT
Someone needs to get in his shell and tell him your only as goid as your last performance.
Saturday immense tonight greedy and non productive.
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Post by acricketer on Dec 13, 2023 22:26:52 GMT
I hope he goes to Afcon. We may play with more fluidity. Greedy little ****
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Post by jfrabbit on Dec 13, 2023 22:52:08 GMT
Has a stormer against Hull and back to his greedy self tonight. Only credit I’ll give is every ball into the box was won by a Plymouth player so I suppose he thought fuck it I’ll try myself.
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Post by West Acton on Dec 14, 2023 6:58:53 GMT
For as good as he is he only really has one trick. Drop shoulder push off to his right and try and drill or curl ball at goal. When that’s all you really do it’s pretty easy for teams to defend against that.
Often there are better options to keep the ball moving but he goes for the Hollywood outcome.
He did use his left foot a few times last night so clearly they are working on that.
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Post by Bill on Dec 14, 2023 10:27:17 GMT
Thinks he is Adel but is nowhere near Mr Tarrabt.
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Post by spongeparr on Dec 14, 2023 10:38:08 GMT
To be fair, he is a player that neds other players to move. I have said it before, but if you are a creative player, you can only do so if people make the run. Kelman did once in the first half and it nearly came off.
If Willock comes feet, Field doesn't move, Dykes doesn't move ... what are you meant to do? I will always give him credit for always wanting the ball. Not always easy with our fans.
I can, and should do more. But then if he did, he wouldn't be at QPR as better teams would get him.
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Post by Stanley75 on Dec 14, 2023 10:41:29 GMT
For as good as he is he only really has one trick. Drop shoulder push off to his right and try and drill or curl ball at goal. When that’s all you really do it’s pretty easy for teams to defend against that. Often there are better options to keep the ball moving but he goes for the Hollywood outcome. He did use his left foot a few times last night so clearly they are working on that. Finally! 26 years old and how many years has he been with us before the penny finally drops with the coaches?! 🙄🤦♂️ And some ask why a bigger club has never come in for him... |
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Post by Corbray on Dec 14, 2023 11:06:04 GMT
still our most gifted player and the only one who gets around the pitch and is always avaliable for a pass. thought he was good in the first half but he has a tendancy to try and 1v11 when we're pushing for a goal.
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Post by Stanley75 on Dec 14, 2023 11:31:22 GMT
Chair still our most gifted player Willock is our most gifted player when fit. He's a better, more skilful all round player. He's more two-footed and less one-dimensional than Chair. As West says, Chair's a bit of a one-trick pony - as good as he is at that particular trick. |
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Post by sparks on Dec 14, 2023 11:34:15 GMT
If we had gifted players he could pass to I would agree, if Willock isn’t firing he’s on his own.
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Post by Stanley75 on Dec 16, 2023 21:54:21 GMT
although had it not been for deflection trick would not have came off but they all count Think it was on target. Not saying he is perfect but take him out of the team and who is going to create anything? Dozzell? Smyth? Field? It just slightly frustrates me that some fans complain that he is not Cristian Ronaldo when the rest of our midfield are not even Barry Bannan. Willock |
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Post by Stanley75 on Dec 16, 2023 22:29:54 GMT
Think it was on target. Not saying he is perfect but take him out of the team and who is going to create anything? Dozzell? Smyth? Field? It just slightly frustrates me that some fans complain that he is not Cristian Ronaldo when the rest of our midfield are not even Barry Bannan. Willock The above was just to answer to your question I like Chair, he's a good little player, BUT he is quite one-dimensional and therefore quite easy to defend against and neutralise his threat. This January he'll have been at QPR for 7 years. In that entire time fans have been aware of his weak left foot, meaning that he predictably goes onto his right 9 times out of 10. If we can all see it, you can guarantee opposing coaches can also see it. In 7 years why did the 6 previous managers never coach him in improving his left foot? We now have a manager who appears to be finally doing this, or at least showing a few signs of it. Can you appreciate therefore why there is this frustration with him? |
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Post by West Acton on Dec 17, 2023 8:05:58 GMT
The above was just to answer to your question I like Chair, he's a good little player, BUT he is quite one-dimensional and therefore quite easy to defend against and neutralise his threat. This January he'll have been at QPR for 7 years. In that entire time fans have been aware of his weak left foot, meaning that he predictably goes onto his right 9 times out of 10. If we can all see it, you can guarantee opposing coaches can also see it. In 7 years why did the 6 previous managers never coach him in improving his left foot? We now have a manager who appears to be finally doing this, or at least showing a few signs of it. Can you appreciate therefore why there is this frustration with him? good post All I would add is there surely must also be a bit of self awareness and ambition to improve his left foot with out being told. |
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Post by alanwycombe on Dec 17, 2023 8:56:55 GMT
You would think/hope so, then again Liam Brady had a whole career - sometimes being spoken of as world class - on one leg. Chair’s biggest problem is being greedy. He’d go to another level if he looked up more often.
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Post by Stanley75 on Dec 17, 2023 9:29:26 GMT
The above was just to answer to your question I like Chair, he's a good little player, BUT he is quite one-dimensional and therefore quite easy to defend against and neutralise his threat. This January he'll have been at QPR for 7 years. In that entire time fans have been aware of his weak left foot, meaning that he predictably goes onto his right 9 times out of 10. If we can all see it, you can guarantee opposing coaches can also see it. In 7 years why did the 6 previous managers never coach him in improving his left foot? We now have a manager who appears to be finally doing this, or at least showing a few signs of it. Can you appreciate therefore why there is this frustration with him? good post All I would add is there surely must also be a bit of self awareness and ambition to improve his left foot with out being told. It's the reason he's a championship player and not a PL player. He seems to over-rely on his natural ability but lacks the ambition to work on his weaknesses too. Players make it to the highest level because they are driven to achieve that. Putting in the extra hours practising after training. If that drive was there, at 26 we would have seen the fruits of that labour from him by now. The frustration is BECAUSE he had/has that raw talent to make it to a higher level. |
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Dec 18, 2023 21:20:19 GMT
The above was just to answer to your question I like Chair, he's a good little player, BUT he is quite one-dimensional and therefore quite easy to defend against and neutralise his threat. This January he'll have been at QPR for 7 years. In that entire time fans have been aware of his weak left foot, meaning that he predictably goes onto his right 9 times out of 10. If we can all see it, you can guarantee opposing coaches can also see it. In 7 years why did the 6 previous managers never coach him in improving his left foot? We now have a manager who appears to be finally doing this, or at least showing a few signs of it. Can you appreciate therefore why there is this frustration with him? I do get that and of course he would be a much better player if he was two footed. But then he probably wouldn't be playing for QPR. I just think he has been one of the very few players who even under Ainsworth kept trying and didn't disappear (compare and contrast to Willock) even though he must have thought Ainsworth a complete brain fart. For long periods he has been about our only creative spark so all the pressure has been on him. When he doesn't perform, we don't perform. Even the last couple of games the newly rehabilitated Willock - where was he? Missing in action I would say. By all means point out what Chair could improve but players like Dozzell do literally nothing and that's just kinda accepted. I just don't get why Chair always seems to be picked up more for what he can't do than what he can do. To put it in context, Akos Buzacky is one of the best loved players at QPR over the last two decades (by me and many fans) and he scored 23 goals in 114 games. Chair has scored 30 odd goals in around 194 games (roughly), so not as good as Akos but far from shabby. Adel and Eze were in leagues of their own. Willock at his best is arguably better than Chair but how often is that? I would argue we get more consistently out of Chair than we do out of Willock. What other attacking player in that very elite company in a QPR shirt deserves to be talked of in the same breath? Am struggling to think of anybody... |
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Dec 18, 2023 21:21:51 GMT
Been saying it for years. It’s the reason he will never be a top player. Greedy little cunt embarrassing post |
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Post by spongeparr on Dec 18, 2023 22:23:58 GMT
The above was just to answer to your question I like Chair, he's a good little player, BUT he is quite one-dimensional and therefore quite easy to defend against and neutralise his threat. This January he'll have been at QPR for 7 years. In that entire time fans have been aware of his weak left foot, meaning that he predictably goes onto his right 9 times out of 10. If we can all see it, you can guarantee opposing coaches can also see it. In 7 years why did the 6 previous managers never coach him in improving his left foot? We now have a manager who appears to be finally doing this, or at least showing a few signs of it. Can you appreciate therefore why there is this frustration with him? I do get that and of course he would be a much better player if he was two footed. But then he probably wouldn't be playing for QPR. I just think he has been one of the very few players who even under Ainsworth kept trying and didn't disappear (compare and contrast to Willock) even though he must have thought Ainsworth a complete brain fart. For long periods he has been about our only creative spark so all the pressure has been on him. When he doesn't perform, we don't perform. Even the last couple of games the newly rehabilitated Willock - where was he? Missing in action I would say. By all means point out what Chair could improve but players like Dozzell do literally nothing and that's just kinda accepted. I just don't get why Chair always seems to be picked up more for what he can't do than what he can do. To put it in context, Akos Buzacky is one of the best loved players at QPR over the last two decades (by me and many fans) and he scored 23 goals in 114 games. Chair has scored 30 odd goals in around 194 games (roughly), so not as good as Akos but far from shabby. Adel and Eze were in leagues of their own. Willock at his best is arguably better than Chair but how often is that? I would argue we get more consistently out of Chair than we do out of Willock. What other attacking player in that very elite company in a QPR shirt deserves to be talked of in the same breath? Am struggling to think of anybody... What i said, but better and in more detail. Maybe the hate comes from wanting more out of a talented player. I've slagged him off before but as you say, if he didn't have the flaws then he wouldn't be with us. And when he's not playing, who is keeping the ball and looking to do something? |
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Post by spongeparr on Dec 18, 2023 22:25:04 GMT
Been saying it for years. It’s the reason he will never be a top player. Greedy little cunt I get criticism but when players see stuff like that from cunts like you, it's no wonder they down tools. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2023 22:29:51 GMT
I can't help but feel that a lot of the frustration around him as a player is a consequence of excessive expectations which have been allowed to develop over the last few seasons.
He's not a bad player, clearly, but the way sone describe him he's a potential legend in the making and, surely, that contributes towards frustration.
If he was as good as some say he would be at QPR.
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Post by West Acton on Dec 19, 2023 7:34:52 GMT
I find him a very frustrating player to watch, as I did Freeman as they are very similar. He clearly a talented player but his decision making when on the ball is usually poor partly because he’s greedy and don’t give the ball when there are others in better positions.
I’ve seen couple of areas of improvement under Marti ie starting use left foot more plus when he gets on ball he drives forward with bit more intent instead of wandering forwards but having said that hes still greedy and until he sorts that out he’s always going to be questioned unless his numbers for assists and goals massively increases.
Example set pieces he should say I’m actually not very good at dead ball situations so someone else have a go, its not all him coaching staff will be involved too so questions have to asked of them too in that situation.
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Post by MattyRangers on Dec 19, 2023 7:54:32 GMT
Chair is frustrating at times (just looking at this thread confirms that...!) - but IMHO he is still our best & most valuable player who we look to & rely on to make things happen in times of time. We would be a far far weaker side without him.
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Post by Hitman34 on Dec 19, 2023 8:39:16 GMT
Greedy player,
Never looks up when he has the ball.
His only trick is to cut inside on edge of penalty area.
Has 10 shots off target before he gets one on target.
Would sell and reinvest the money on a striker.
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Dec 19, 2023 11:31:33 GMT
I can just imagine life without him. Absolutely guarantee that loads of the fans criticising him now will be the ones then saying in bewilderment: "why don't we have anyone in the team creating anything? Why does nobody drive forward? Why is everyone doing 5 yard square and backward passes? Is Willock even playing? How many times has Smith even touched the ball?"
I mean I do get the issue of him not releasing the ball earlier sometimes - of course I do - but equally you look up and you see Lyndon Dykes, Sam Field and Osman Kakay as your options, maybe the punt from 25 yards seems the better option. I'm not defending it all the time as statistically one of those players must score sometime I guess, if only by mistake, but I would be interested to see what he would be like with more Marti coaching and someone like a Naki Wells in the box to aim at.
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Post by Stanley75 on Dec 19, 2023 13:16:39 GMT
The above was just to answer to your question I like Chair, he's a good little player, BUT he is quite one-dimensional and therefore quite easy to defend against and neutralise his threat. This January he'll have been at QPR for 7 years. In that entire time fans have been aware of his weak left foot, meaning that he predictably goes onto his right 9 times out of 10. If we can all see it, you can guarantee opposing coaches can also see it. In 7 years why did the 6 previous managers never coach him in improving his left foot? We now have a manager who appears to be finally doing this, or at least showing a few signs of it. Can you appreciate therefore why there is this frustration with him? I do get that and of course he would be a much better player if he was two footed. But then he probably wouldn't be playing for QPR. I just think he has been one of the very few players who even under Ainsworth kept trying and didn't disappear (compare and contrast to Willock) even though he must have thought Ainsworth a complete brain fart. For long periods he has been about our only creative spark so all the pressure has been on him. When he doesn't perform, we don't perform. Even the last couple of games the newly rehabilitated Willock - where was he? Missing in action I would say. By all means point out what Chair could improve but players like Dozzell do literally nothing and that's just kinda accepted. I just don't get why Chair always seems to be picked up more for what he can't do than what he can do. To put it in context, Akos Buzacky is one of the best loved players at QPR over the last two decades (by me and many fans) and he scored 23 goals in 114 games. Chair has scored 30 odd goals in around 194 games (roughly), so not as good as Akos but far from shabby. Adel and Eze were in leagues of their own. Willock at his best is arguably better than Chair but how often is that? I would argue we get more consistently out of Chair than we do out of Willock. What other attacking player in that very elite company in a QPR shirt deserves to be talked of in the same breath? Am struggling to think of anybody... You make some fair points there. I'd disagree with your example of Dozzell because he has his fair share of critics too The flak Chair gets is because fans can clearly see he's a gifted player - so their frustration is in seeing that after 7 years with the club he does not seem to have progressed and improved the clear weaknesses in his game i.e. weak left foot, not releasing ball early enough, and overall poor set piece delivery. I don't find these frustrations unreasonable personally. |
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Post by alanwycombe on Dec 19, 2023 14:01:11 GMT
Neither do I. Wholly justified.
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Post by The General on Dec 19, 2023 14:21:05 GMT
Chair prob our best player tbh
And scores too like most dont in our team
Think the criticism should be channelled
In other directions for other players
Always gives 100 per cent
Should not be taking the corners though
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Post by The General on Dec 19, 2023 14:23:56 GMT
Wont be here much longer
So be careful what you wish for
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